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Neurodivergent husband has brought me to my knees, am I unreasonable to leave him ?

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MyNextSteps · 15/01/2025 23:34

This is my first Mumsnet post so I'm sorry but this will be a long rant. But I have really lost my way and would appreciate everyone's thoughts.

My husband and I are in our late 50s and have been married for 25 years and have 5 kids who are late teens/20s.

The marriage has always had something "not quite right", something missing which I couldn't explain. DH didn't have many girlfriends I thought he was just shy. Once married I always felt he was avoidant, pulling away, preoccupied, unavailable, never initiated sex. If I ever tried to raise it, even gently, he was irritable and defensive, saying my "constant criticism and oversensitivity" was the problem and then he'd try to run away or hang up the phone or get busy or fall asleep or get one of the kids to interrupt us to shut me down. He is also very interested in facts not feelings and tends to disconnect from conversations once he's satisfied himself of the facts.

Eventually I dragged DH to therapy wondering if he was a covert narcissist but this year he's been diagnosed with High Functioning Autism Level 1 (Aspergers) which explains everything. I feel I'm in a nightmare as our story started out as a fairytale with our beautiful kids but now I'm acceptingw nothing will change with DH.

We both had good careers but I stayed at home to raise the kids. He worked hard to provide for us all but had a long commute. We moved out to the coast and bought a rambling old house with land, did it up and we have a small holding with animals. DH seemed to avoid intimacy but I didn't question it as he was tired and working so hard and so was I. He never took me out in the evening or hired a babysitter or took me away for a few nights. We only ever went away with the kids but I was so in the tunnel of parenthood and we didn't have much money to spare so I didn't really stop to question it.

Gradually the kids grew up and then DH stopped work and I thought we would spend more time together but I gradually realized he wasn't interested. Once he stopped work and was around 24/7 and the kids were grown up, it dawned on me that he was just making excuses to avoid time with me and avoid intimacy.

We did years of marriage therapy but he could neither express his feelings at all (alexithymia) or understand mine. He just cannot hear me - all he can hear is that he's being criticized and then he becomes a professional victim. I have given him a million chances to sort himself out, so many times we have fought and he always comes back, says sorry but nothing changes. Our therapist said he wouldn't change and to leave him as he wasn't able or interested in meeting my needs.

Some of the worst family fights have been when I have been angry with DH and then he goes to the kids and portrays himself as a victim and me as the perpetrator. Then the kids (who are angry he's so weak) stand up for him. So I'm then fighting my own kids and he sits there with his head in his hands not speaking while it all kicks off between me and the kids.

So there have been times when the kids have seen me as the aggressive bad cop whilst he is good cop being their friend as he does everything for them, drives them around, gives them money and never sets rules or boundaries. Mum "wears the trousers" and keeps it all fair and accountable. Although the kids hate on me for being bad cop I notice when life gets tricky they all come running to me for guidance because I'm actually the only real parent.

Every time the whole family gets together which is now only about twice a year I work hard to cook food and make it nice but either my husband or one of the ND kids has a meltdown or shutdown which ruins the occasion and the family doesn't speak for months, I am beginning to dread get togethers.

Now his daily routine is to get up feeling anxious and then just drift around for the rest of the day, no plan, no goals, achieving not much, never gets together with friends, sometimes hangs with his family (many of them have the same issues as him) low functioning, wears same clothes for days. If I ask him to do something he'll do it eventually but then says I'm bossy and that he feels "controlled" and then makes sure the kids know it.

Some of our kids have various neurodiverse traits/issues and DH and I clashed seriously about how to raise them because as a ND himself his first instinct was to deny their problems and help them to mask whereas I as an NT wanted to get them diagnosed and get them help. DH also insisted that we don't mention anyone's diagnosis in the family (shame) so when several of the kids have huge meltdowns we are not allowed to address it with the other kids and I can see that they feel guilty and responsible when it's not their fault.

Things have come to a head in the last few months. DH was being assessed for suspected cancer. He wasn't able to process many feelings about that beyond being sure he didn't want the kids to know. I did all the worrying and supporting whilst he looked blank and numb all through Christmas. Finally this week he got the "all clear", he did express some relief but I was hugely emotional after the hospital.

The same night one of our kids rang up and shouted at me because she'd given a message to DH for me to do something but he hadn't passed it on to me so I hadn't done what she needed me to do. I was still emotional from the hospital so after she'd put the phone down I was angry with DH that he hadn't passed on the message. He denied this so we started to argue. DH then portrayed himself a a victim in front of one of our sons who got aggressive with me and goaded and shoved me (he's 6 ft) and started being verbally abusive and telling me I was crazy (he didn't know about the hospital or cancer scare at all so didn't know why I was so emotional). I said to DH "tell him to stop" but DH said "why should he stop abusing you when you abuse me ?" (professional victim).

In that moment after 25 years something snapped in me. I did something I've never done before. I calmly put together a small bag of clothes and walked out. I drove off and checked into a local B&B where I am sitting now with no idea about my next move.

DH has brought me to my knees. It's not what he does, it's what he DOESN'T do, he's just absent from our marriage. He doesn't want me to leave but he doesn't want to have a relationship with me either. He just wants a housekeeper/secretary/organizer/mother not a wife. I want to leave him but then I break up the family, we lose our lovely home and I get blamed for that by him and the kids, I lose my smallholding and animals and will have to give up my dream part time job that I have taken up in the last few years too, so essentially I lose my entire life as it is currently.

I rang DH from the B&B to discuss the issues. He said "all you do is criticize me, I'm a victim" and hung up. He didn't want to discuss the issues because he can't summarize or express his feelings. He says he can't change and I am persecuting him to do things he can't do. He then said by the way if I was moving out then he'd sell our home and small holding because he wasn't interested in it anyway he only bought it for me (first I heard about that, he was the one that insisted we buy it when I wanted to stay in the city !). I went back briefly to our home to collect clothes etc and he was just lying flat on the sofa staring into space, washing left in the machine overnight, last night's dinner still on the table untouched, curtains not drawn, animals not fed, plants not watered, post not opened etc.

AIBU to leave and break up the family and sell our family home and smallholding and rehome the animals ? Or am I overreacting and should I accept he can't change, stop asking him to and just suck it up for the sake of the family ? DH is not a bad person, we have a lot in common with our joint kids, life and animals. He worked hard to support us all, he's never been unfaithful or had addictions or been abusive (contrast I've been a drunk and screaming harridan more than once when pushed beyond human limits by rigid and goading ND family members). I am also nearly 60 and have let myself go with all the stress. Dating now fills me with horror, what are my chances anyway and my friends are having horror stories on Bumble.... I would also have to go back to full time work at 60 to support myself and the children would be hostile to a new partner as they feel responsible for their victim dad. But he is not my husband or lover and he's more friends with the kids than a father to them. He is a professional victim and he has no capacity for a marriage or partnership with me. I would be happy to live alone but I keep having the sad thought that I don't want to get to the end of my life without having experienced a true and loving partnership.

If I could find a way to stay with DH I would but I have tried to compromise a million times. I don't want to have an affair either but it seems that if I stay I would have to completely deny my own needs for love, support, intimacy, boundaries, joint parenting, joy etc and life is too short for that. Advice please.

OP posts:
TonTonMacoute · 16/01/2025 10:21

It seems to me that you have clearly identified the alternatives - leave and lose your lovely home, or stay and be a shadow of your self.

There is no perfect option. Only you can decide what to sacrifice.

TheSoapyFrog · 16/01/2025 10:19

I'm guessing you're not in the UK given that Asperger's Syndrome isn't diagnosed anymore, and functioning levels are redundant. I'm also curious about how a therapist made a diagnosis. Is the therapist a qualified doctor? I guess I just want to make sure he has been properly assessed and diagnosed by the appropriate person.

It does sound to me like you don't have much of an understanding of autism. It isn't a short fall, it's the way the brain is wired. For some parts, it is possible to recognise what behaviours can be worked on, but for the most part, it isn't (meltdowns can't be helped, and don't happen with the intent to ruin good times). I say this as an ND person. Being shouted at and berated for things I have no control over has taken its toll over the years.

That being said, I wonder if the autism diagnosis is a red herring. He may well have a co-morbid personality and/or he may just be a dickhead. You're clearly not happy, and I'm not surprised, you've been treated abysmally. You don't have to spend the rest of your life feeling this way. You have plenty of time to find a new dream and start again. But please don't focus too much on finding another relationship - learn to be on your own and find yourself again.

Nothatgingerpirate · 16/01/2025 10:19

Leave as soon as possible.
From a ND person as well, never allow another human to bring you "to your knees".
This is primarily your life. Act on it!

Lilactimes · 16/01/2025 10:11

Hi @MyNextSteps

I first of all just wanted to send you lots of love - this must be so incredibly difficult.
There is so much great advice in here so I thought I would drop in slightly different thoughts.
whatever path you end up following, one of the first steps is to look after yourself physically and mentally. This includes good sleep, a calm mind, fitness. I would also suggest a short break if you can. Send a polite calm note to the family re feeding animals and then stay away or go further afield and do a few nice things for you. Embrace the joy of a nice meal on your own or visit a friend.
Try some meditation and yoga, read a good book and eat well. Try and find some calm to approach your life choices and the discussions that lie ahead of you.
good luck OP x

Ohthatsabitshit · 16/01/2025 10:09

I can’t imagine why him being “neurodivergent” is the headline on this thread. OP you don’t like how he treats you and he isn’t willing to change. He could have literally any disability and it would make no difference.

Mirabai · 16/01/2025 10:05

AnonymousBleep · 16/01/2025 09:55

Oh my god, I could have written your post! I'm a bit younger but I've been through exactly the same thing with my now ex-husband and now I am wondering it he is ND? Impossible for me ever to know as he absolutely refused to engage with any kind of therapy. But he's exactly the same as your OH - completely emotionally (and physically) unavailable - and ultimately, no, I couldn't deal with it either. I felt like I was a single person in a marriage and eventually I decided I may as well just be a single person. Both of us are happier like this. I think he prefers being on his own and having his own house, as I genuinely think he struggled with my 'demands' for an emotional connection. Like your husband, I think he saw this as me nagging him and I started to worry that I was actually bullying him, as the harder I tried to connect with him, the more he pulled away. I couldn't win so I gave up - but it's fine. I genuinely believe it's better for all of us this way. Of course it hasn't been easy getting here, but three years down the line, I feel much happier and I am sure (and the kids say) that he's happy too. Good luck whatever you decide.

I think this is the problem here - the more OP demands a connection that DH can’t provide, the more he retreats. So OP redoubles her efforts and he feels victimised and misunderstood. It could well look like bullying to the children and the outside world even if that’s not how OP means it - she’s trying to get connection and support from a man who can’t do either.

At this point, OP has been trying for 25 years to get him to function differently I think it’s time to accept that that is not possible. The diagnosis such as it is is upsetting for her as it proves she was flogging a dead horse, a final confirmation that things will never change.

WhatterySquash · 16/01/2025 10:03

He seems to love it when I'm screaming and triggered by his behavior

Just wanted to pick-up on this too - my ex was exactly like this as well. The penny dropped for me when we were in couples counselling, that he actually did it on purpose and it wasn’t just arguments that escalated. He wound me up deliberately so that I would get angry and exasperated, he’d be the victim and be able to see himself as the calm sane one while I was a crazy shouty cow. Not only did it give him the moral high ground, it allowed him to externalise his own anger and emotions that he couldn’t express and see them played out.

Understanding this made it easier to disengage and give up on trying to get through to him. He didn’t have any intention of being got through to.

The relief when I finally told him it was over was immense (even though he didn’t listen and had to be told multiple times). I felt like I could breathe for the first time in years.

ItGhoul · 16/01/2025 10:02

I think the real question is why have you stayed married to this man for 25 years in the first place.

You would not be unreasonable to leave him. You should also be a lot more open with your kids about the problems your husband has instead of hiding things from them at his request.

AnonymousBleep · 16/01/2025 10:00

As others have said, you absolutely can't carry on like this. Yes, you need to leave. It's not healthy for any of you to continue in what is clearly a very toxic environment.

Your husband may have autism and your kids may be ND but that absolutely does not excuse their treatment of you.

WishinAndHopin · 16/01/2025 09:58

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 16/01/2025 08:35

Your children will see a new side to you if you break up. You will no longer be “mean, moany mum”

You will feel so free and guarantee you will be happier. While there may be some initial anger from them just be positive and move on.

It’s not ok that your son did that btw. Can you invite him out for a chat and explain about the other factors and how you felt? Tell him there is a lot he doesn’t know about his dad and you don’t want to get involved but please can he not blame you for everything and believe all his dad says?

I don’t think explaining to her son how she felt about his domestic abuse of her will work. He already doesn’t care or believe her. And trying to justify why her husband was actually wrong/ she was right will just reignite the whole argument.

It doesn’t actually matter who was right and wrong in the argument between OP and her husband: regardless, her adult children are not entitled to stick their oars in, and her son is DEFINITELY not entitled to get physical with his mother. The only thing she needs to tell him that behaviour is reprehensible and unjustifiable, and she requires a full unreserved apology and assurance that it will never happen again.

Meanwhile, she should consider reporting the incident to the police.

nightmarepickle2025 · 16/01/2025 09:56

This sounds incredibly toxic for everyone. Your poor kids having to navigate the nightmare of their parents dysfunctional marriage. Which doesn’t excuse your son - he has been physically abusive to you and you’re now not safe at home. You can’t go on like this. You know it.

Noodge · 16/01/2025 09:55

I broke up with someone with ASD for similar reasons. He won't change. He is also an arsehole, on top of ASD.

You need to get out. Take the pets with you and run. Is your son perhaps ASD too?

AnonymousBleep · 16/01/2025 09:55

Oh my god, I could have written your post! I'm a bit younger but I've been through exactly the same thing with my now ex-husband and now I am wondering it he is ND? Impossible for me ever to know as he absolutely refused to engage with any kind of therapy. But he's exactly the same as your OH - completely emotionally (and physically) unavailable - and ultimately, no, I couldn't deal with it either. I felt like I was a single person in a marriage and eventually I decided I may as well just be a single person. Both of us are happier like this. I think he prefers being on his own and having his own house, as I genuinely think he struggled with my 'demands' for an emotional connection. Like your husband, I think he saw this as me nagging him and I started to worry that I was actually bullying him, as the harder I tried to connect with him, the more he pulled away. I couldn't win so I gave up - but it's fine. I genuinely believe it's better for all of us this way. Of course it hasn't been easy getting here, but three years down the line, I feel much happier and I am sure (and the kids say) that he's happy too. Good luck whatever you decide.

Newgreensofa · 16/01/2025 09:54

Wanttobefree2 · 16/01/2025 02:31

Your story resonates with me and I was in a similar situation with my ex. Just a word of warning, it’s been very hard to actually go through the separation process as he didn’t want it to happen, he won’t move out of the house, won’t reply to lawyers letters, won’t attend mediation so if I had my time again I’d go much harder from a legal perspective.

Same here - it’s taken four years and he NEVER opened up about how he felt. He did however meet someone and marry them quickly! I’ve been very restrained in what I’ve told my children about the past but they just ‘know” from his attitude towards them now. I am very calm and happy now. I have about 1/10th of my possessions and said a sad goodbye to the family home of 27 years, but I am in control of my simpler life.

Britneyfan · 16/01/2025 09:54

@User664334 I don’t think there is any evidence for what you are suggesting at all (that autism can somehow turn into narcissism or that autistic people tend to be manipulative).

Oioisavaloy27 · 16/01/2025 09:53

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

You have absolutely no idea of peoples situations so get off your high horse, neuro diverse or not the op has been unhappy for a long time, what is she actually getting from the relationship l? Nothing so perhaps look at your selfish attitude and not others.

TiramisuThief · 16/01/2025 09:51

Do you want another 25 years of this?

50 something is still young!

You can have a whole new life.

WhatterySquash · 16/01/2025 09:51

A lot of this is familiar to me too OP. I’ve had two partners including my long-term ex and dad of my DC, who couldn’t understand or express their own feelings and played the victim. My ex never listened to me or cared about my needs. It’s exhausting. But your situation sounds much harder because of the way the kids are involved too. That’s unforgivable of him to manipulate them like that and support your son shoving you. That would be the line in the sand for me.

I left my ex a while ago with youngish children so not the same, but I do think you need to end it. You need and deserve a happy life without all these stresses and emotional pressures. Assuming you’re married, yes you can sell the smallholding and get enough money from the divorce to have your own home. It will be an upheaval of course but one thing that made me determined to go through it all was thinking “do I want to be 80 and wake up every day into this life, dealing with this impossible man and being miserable?” Yes I have to work hard, and yes the dating scene is grim (i’ve given up on that really) but what matters most to me is that when both my DC are old enough to be independent in a few years, I’ll be able to spend my life doing what I like and not being continually upset and worn out by an emotionally illiterate, selfish and solipsistic man.

As for your son he needs the riot act reading to him and to be told extremely clearly you will not tolerate aggression and if anything like that happens again you will call the police and he will not be welcome in your home. And do it. Absolutely do not let him think his dad is right and it’s reasonable behaviour. You’re being literally and metaphorically pushed around and it’s time to say no.

WaitingForMojo · 16/01/2025 09:50

I’m autistic. Lots of my family members are autistic. I opened this thread expecting it to be another autism-bashing thread. Your op isn’t although some responses are.

You need to leave this prick. He is abusive. Autism is a red herring.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 16/01/2025 09:50

It sounds like your relationship has completely broken down. Your children are grown up. You need to leave but don’t look for ND to explain anything. in a way It’s nothing to do with that. You seem to think very little of him with very good reason and vice versa it’s finished.

LozzaChops101 · 16/01/2025 09:47

Sounds like ND is only once factor here. I don’t think anyone would blame you for leaving, and you certainly shouldn’t blame yourself.

HappyFitnessQueen · 16/01/2025 09:47

This is madness. You have spent years trying to change him which is impossible. You can't change him. It sounds as though you need to split - for the good of everyone. And, for the record, you shouldn't have shouted at him for not passing on the message. The fault was with your DC for their reaction...you passed that down the line which isn't fair...that is abusive.

WishinAndHopin · 16/01/2025 09:46

User664334 · 16/01/2025 09:41

Emotional manipulation can absolutely be a part of autism, along with abusive behaviour. I would argue that ND people have a high susceptibility of displaying destructive, impulsive or abusive behaviour towards others because they have struggled their entire lives to fit into a society not really made for them.

People are highly complex and there are no blanket "rules" that apply across all of humanity. Many MH issues can also change over the years with one person fitting in several criteria. The most plausible theory which someone mentioned on MN is that untreated autism can often develop into narcissism. As a desperate way to have their needs met or cope with their various sensory issues, autistics start to display narcissistic behaviour to control the people and patterns around them. This easily involves emotional manipulation.

My mum displays every signs of covert narcissism yet at the same time I'm convinced she is also ND. Over the years, the whole family has learned to bend to her wishes otherwise she would have a major tantrum, meltdown or whatnot. Seeing it from an adult perspective, a lot of her manipulation were related to avoiding sensory triggers but which made no sense at the time.

Absolute bollocks.

Your nonsense theorising is harmful to people with genuine autism.

mollymile · 16/01/2025 09:44

Have you started taking control of as much money as you can, Change authority so that 'they' can't fritter it away. I am not suggesting you keep it, just ensure that you manage it. The rest don't sound too sensible.🤔

WishinAndHopin · 16/01/2025 09:43

AnxiousRose · 16/01/2025 09:11

He is not abusive.
It would be the kind thing to do but she obviously doesn't HAVE to.
The lack of understanding shown towards people with autism on this thread is disgraceful.

I actually have autism.

The behaviours described by OP of manipulation and goading are not autism. He has sufficient understanding of others to puppeteer their adult children to fighting his corner and taking his side. He has sufficient understanding of what matters to his wife to immediately threaten to sell the small holding if she leaves.

He stood back and watched as their son threatened domestic violence against his wife.

Also not understanding what matters to someone is different from not caring. Autistic people do try.

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