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Financial abuse?

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 18:16

Long story short, my sons dad told me he wont be paying for him anymore and will not be having him overnight one night every weekend, because I simply asked him to have him on the weekend he was due to have him? (He said I misunderstood, although I have texts that show we both understood the schedule).

He has been on a 'career break' for 7 months, since I filed for CMS (our son is 8 months old) and has got money (I worked in HR at our company so I know exactly how much money he took home each month. Before the left he took home £75k in one month in commission).

I filed for court because he can't stick to a schedule and financially abuses me.

What do you make of these messages and what do you suggest I do?

My maternity pay ends next month and benefits won't cover me. I'm looking for work but as of yet haven't had any luck.

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ketchupkwail · 17/01/2025 14:24

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ByQuaintAzureWasp · 17/01/2025 14:20

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 17/01/2025 14:09

Why are you not returning to the employment you left to go on maternity leave?

Sorry ... just read earlier explanation.i would have gone back ... you made it too easy for her.

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 17/01/2025 14:09

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:38

Find a new employment, which I am already doing

Why are you not returning to the employment you left to go on maternity leave?

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tedibear · 16/01/2025 12:45

U have my sympathy having to deal with him. He doesn't seem to get how maintenance works or what it is for. It's as though he feels he is paying for ur lifestyle or something. He shld be more concerned about his child and grow up.

So he gave up his well paid job to avoid u getting maintenance through cms. Sounds like £1,350 wld be drop on the ocean to him, that's pretty sad. Cut his nose to spite his face 🙄

NoMoreLifts · 16/01/2025 10:37

Clmt · 15/01/2025 18:28

OP - other messages

@Clmt Please get this hidden op, didn't blot or all info

Bob02 · 16/01/2025 09:59

Personally, I'd stop engaging with him about anything other than his child. Your messages are too long and too anger. You need to take all the emotion out of them. He is loving how upset/ angry he is making you. It gives him joy and power. Have you considered a coparenting communication app?

You can't force him to work or to see his child. The court could award him set days but that doesn't mean he needs to use them or be reliable. He's a wanker. Unfortunately, he doesn't have his child's best interests at heart.

On the plus side, I imagine that he's used to living a certain lifestyle and £75k won't keep him going for long. He'll have to get a job eventually unless he set up his own business and then you'll really he fucked.

redstroll · 16/01/2025 06:43

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:32

Get a new job. He was shagging our coworker whilst I was pregnant. So I will not go back

Is he in a relationship with her atm? or anyone?

Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:28

Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:27

Yes, I went to CMS the week before he quit, which was the same month I went on maternity

So they awarded me that amount on paper, but in the end I never got it. They amended it the week after

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:27

redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:24

When he was working, CMS awarded me £1350 per month

but you say you both left at the same time is presumably when you left to have your baby

and you’ve not been to CMS before i thought

Yes, I went to CMS the week before he quit, which was the same month I went on maternity

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ToKittyornottoKitty · 15/01/2025 20:25

redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:24

When he was working, CMS awarded me £1350 per month

but you say you both left at the same time is presumably when you left to have your baby

and you’ve not been to CMS before i thought

It says right there in the OP:

He has been on a 'career break' for 7 months, since I filed for CMS (our son is 8 months old)

gamerchick · 15/01/2025 20:25

It doesn't look like you can afford not to go back to work OP.

You simply cannot force him to have regular contact with your bairn. You can't. You need to take a breath, let him wash over you and hopefully you'll both settle down in time for the bairns sake.

redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:24

When he was working, CMS awarded me £1350 per month

but you say you both left at the same time is presumably when you left to have your baby

and you’ve not been to CMS before i thought

Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:23

ToKittyornottoKitty · 15/01/2025 20:20

Do you have anyone else like family who can babysit? Spending your time with your child IS moving on and having a life. Relying on him for money and breaks isn’t moving on, it’s setting yourself up for failure. He isn’t going to be a great or reliable dad so you need to change your mindset and see anything he does as a bonus for your child. Don’t let him no you are so bothered all the time, if he says he’s not having the baby just say ‘oh that’s a shame, DS would have enjoyed it, see you next time’ and rant about it to someone else. He will soon her bored of winding you up if that’s what he’s doing.

You make a good point. I just try to facilitate their relationship because thats what I am supposed to do apparantly regardless of how awful he is!

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:21

Feliciacat · 15/01/2025 20:19

Ah ok. That does sound abusive. Definitely show the courts that evidence. Good luck.

Thats not even the worst of what hes done.
But yes, he is abusive hence my tone when I speak to him.

But having read everyones advice, Im nervous about court now because it only sounds like if anything at all, they will just stop contact at all with him and my son. Which isnt the aim.

My aim is to get a set schedule so it cant keep changing. And if they can make him pay consistently, that would be great

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ToKittyornottoKitty · 15/01/2025 20:20

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:59

So as punishment, hes not paying me now or having our son weekly. He will have him every 2 weeks.

He just doesnt want me to move on with my life, or even have a life

Do you have anyone else like family who can babysit? Spending your time with your child IS moving on and having a life. Relying on him for money and breaks isn’t moving on, it’s setting yourself up for failure. He isn’t going to be a great or reliable dad so you need to change your mindset and see anything he does as a bonus for your child. Don’t let him no you are so bothered all the time, if he says he’s not having the baby just say ‘oh that’s a shame, DS would have enjoyed it, see you next time’ and rant about it to someone else. He will soon her bored of winding you up if that’s what he’s doing.

Feliciacat · 15/01/2025 20:19

Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:16

No he only agreed to pay me at all so I can drive him 2 hours each way to see him as he decided to move the other side of London! He says the money is for petrol.

He agreed to have him weekly, until he cancelled, then somehow it was my fault and he said no, I backtrack on that agreement now and I wont pay.

When he was working, CMS awarded me £1350 per month. He then quit work, told everyone hes on a break, and CMS amended it to £0. Hes still unemployed apparantly. He took home £75,000.00 on his last month of work 7 months ago (works in head of sales).

I have messages from him stating he is going to quit work and hide his money so I get nothing. He promised this when I was 6 months pregnant.

I said Im not dropping or picking up anymore cos if he going to stop paying, then I cant afford it.

Ah ok. That does sound abusive. Definitely show the courts that evidence. Good luck.

Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:19

Feliciacat · 15/01/2025 20:09

It seemed like he was just saying that if he gave you money to bring your son to him and you didn’t bring him then what was the point of paying. It sounds like he’d be happy to see him every week and pay you £500 per month for that if you would actually bring him. That’s going off those specific messages.

I’m pretty sure CM is only about £400 per month even if he’s working so I don’t see why you think you’d get more than that. It is generous to give you £500 when he isn’t even working. It sounds like what you want is a share of his assets and/or spousal maintenance. You won’t get anything like that if you weren’t married. CM is a pittance. £500 is actually pretty good going.

The courts would expect you to get a job. HR is pretty family friendly. I appreciate that you can’t go back to the old company but what’s stopping you from getting a different job?

I am going for a different job

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:18

redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:15

but now you are unemployed
with a baby
and no job on the horizon

My plan is to work part time and UC part time until April when I can afford full time childcare. Then I will find full time work thats flexible. He still should be responsible for his son...

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Clmt · 15/01/2025 20:16

Feliciacat · 15/01/2025 20:09

It seemed like he was just saying that if he gave you money to bring your son to him and you didn’t bring him then what was the point of paying. It sounds like he’d be happy to see him every week and pay you £500 per month for that if you would actually bring him. That’s going off those specific messages.

I’m pretty sure CM is only about £400 per month even if he’s working so I don’t see why you think you’d get more than that. It is generous to give you £500 when he isn’t even working. It sounds like what you want is a share of his assets and/or spousal maintenance. You won’t get anything like that if you weren’t married. CM is a pittance. £500 is actually pretty good going.

The courts would expect you to get a job. HR is pretty family friendly. I appreciate that you can’t go back to the old company but what’s stopping you from getting a different job?

No he only agreed to pay me at all so I can drive him 2 hours each way to see him as he decided to move the other side of London! He says the money is for petrol.

He agreed to have him weekly, until he cancelled, then somehow it was my fault and he said no, I backtrack on that agreement now and I wont pay.

When he was working, CMS awarded me £1350 per month. He then quit work, told everyone hes on a break, and CMS amended it to £0. Hes still unemployed apparantly. He took home £75,000.00 on his last month of work 7 months ago (works in head of sales).

I have messages from him stating he is going to quit work and hide his money so I get nothing. He promised this when I was 6 months pregnant.

I said Im not dropping or picking up anymore cos if he going to stop paying, then I cant afford it.

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redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:15

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:50

I wanted to leave for other reasons, terrible place to work! And this was the cherry on top

but now you are unemployed
with a baby
and no job on the horizon

redstroll · 15/01/2025 20:14

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:41

It ended this month

and you’re looking for work?

So how are you going to manage rent, bills, life?

Feliciacat · 15/01/2025 20:09

Clmt · 15/01/2025 19:59

So as punishment, hes not paying me now or having our son weekly. He will have him every 2 weeks.

He just doesnt want me to move on with my life, or even have a life

It seemed like he was just saying that if he gave you money to bring your son to him and you didn’t bring him then what was the point of paying. It sounds like he’d be happy to see him every week and pay you £500 per month for that if you would actually bring him. That’s going off those specific messages.

I’m pretty sure CM is only about £400 per month even if he’s working so I don’t see why you think you’d get more than that. It is generous to give you £500 when he isn’t even working. It sounds like what you want is a share of his assets and/or spousal maintenance. You won’t get anything like that if you weren’t married. CM is a pittance. £500 is actually pretty good going.

The courts would expect you to get a job. HR is pretty family friendly. I appreciate that you can’t go back to the old company but what’s stopping you from getting a different job?

Hollietree · 15/01/2025 20:09

You need to completely grey rock him. No emotion, no showing frustration, don’t rise to him baiting you.

Stop all the back and forth arguing messages.

If he messages you about something irrelevant, just ignore it.

Only message him about contact. Short and factual messages. Never show you are upset or annoyed - that’s exactly what he wants, he is enjoying the power over you, enjoying winding you up. Don’t give him the satisfaction.

If you show you are desperate for a break and desperately want him to take the child for the weekend, he gets power over you by refusing that. If he cancels contact say “no problem, I miss him so much when he’s away, will be nice for me to have some extra time with him this weekend.”

Don’t discuss money again, just go through CMS. He will have to return to work soon I’m guessing. He likes the power he feels by withholding money from you, knowing that you are struggling.

Yes he’s a twat. We all agree with that. But you aren’t currently helping yourself. Play smart.

Rainbowqueeen · 15/01/2025 20:07

There are 2 separate issues here - contact and finances.

Then there is a dickhead ex who is going to make life as difficult as possible for you. That is not going to change. My expectation would be that in one years time he will never see your son, based on his current behaviour.

All you can do is manage your own life. Budget as if you do not receive any money from him. You cant rely on him.

With contact, you are correct that it is best for your son if you have a clear consistent schedule. Tell him that. Frame every message you send as if it will be read in court one day. Stick to facts, do not rise to his bait, centre your child first in everything. So "it is best for LO to have consistent regular contact with you. I propose x y z until he is age 1. Then i propose abc. Can you confirm if you agree. "

Once you have an agreed schedule, do not deviate. If he does not turn up then your son is not available until the next scheduled contact.

The suggestion to use a parenting app is a good one. Then messages cannot be deleted.

Just remember this man is always going to be a deadbeat and a dickhead. He is not your priority. Your son is. Ignore the dickhead as much as possible and accept that he will do the bare minimum. Yes its not fair. But focus on achieving peace for yourself and the best life you can for you and LO.

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