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1.2 million 16-24 year olds currently out of work?

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Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:45

just heard this on the telly, is this correct? Anyone any anecdotal data (your own children- mine are much younger) of why? I find that astounding imagine if these young people never work, terrifying

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Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:36

Moonlightstars · 13/01/2025 22:35

To be fair on them it's much harder to get work. DS (19) spent 5 hours a day applying for a out 3 months and then only got a job through a friend of mine. He was applying for loads, spending ages on each one and has some experience. I told him not to sign on as didn't want him getting used to it. Nearly had to though as it was costing a fortune to keep him in food!

The infamous ‘hollow legged’ teen boy syndrome 😃

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FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 22:36

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:33

£2k a month is impressive! If you don’t mind me asking what does she do? (Don’t have TikTok so you may need to explain it to me like I’m a 🦖)

Fashion and travel! I'm also rubbish at all that, but she gets hundreds of thousands of views (often millions)

echt · 13/01/2025 22:36

Also, just to mention I’m not sure that the 16-24 age group should be included.
it may just indicate that more students are staying in education. Compulsory school leaving age used to be 16, it is now 18

The 1.2m is those neither in education OR work.

glittercunt · 13/01/2025 22:36

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:58

I do think now that every single job you have to apply and for example register an account, fill out tonnes of data only to have to attach your CV as well is quite labour intensive and must be hard never hearing back etc. but I am guessing too a large figure of these young adults are also off due to mental health/ adhd etc. my worry is what if they just don’t work ever? What does t he country do if we don’t have youth coming in to the workforce?

This process is one of the reasons I've struggled in the past, myself. I have Irlens and forms are very hard for me, specially without a proper computer to fill them out on. The. Attaching the CV correctly, having it go wrong so many times, it has left me in tears before. My 17 year old is at college but really wants a job (and needs it to be fair) and just inst having any luck. He's autistic but needs to try getting out there, he doesn't do much between college and sitting in his room. The job market is appalling and I've told my kiddo to stay living with us as long as he can, doing as many courses in his subject as he can, so that he's got a really good chance at blowing prospective employers up with his knowledge and talent.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:36

Wintersnow1 · 13/01/2025 22:34

Also, just to mention I’m not sure that the 16-24 age group should be included.

it may just indicate that more students are staying in education. Compulsory school leaving age used to be 16, it is now 18.

if going to uni & doing a standard degree with 1 yr in service they wouldn’t leave till 22-23, if doing an honours it would be 23-24 before they would be in FT work.

ah thank you for explaining. Me and most of my friends left at 16, mix of work/ apprenticeships etc. some went on to 6th form, few went to uni. But everyone worked in some capacity

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Moonlightstars · 13/01/2025 22:35

To be fair on them it's much harder to get work. DS (19) spent 5 hours a day applying for a out 3 months and then only got a job through a friend of mine. He was applying for loads, spending ages on each one and has some experience. I told him not to sign on as didn't want him getting used to it. Nearly had to though as it was costing a fortune to keep him in food!

Wintersnow1 · 13/01/2025 22:34

Also, just to mention I’m not sure that the 16-24 age group should be included.

it may just indicate that more students are staying in education. Compulsory school leaving age used to be 16, it is now 18.

if going to uni & doing a standard degree with 1 yr in service they wouldn’t leave till 22-23, if doing an honours it would be 23-24 before they would be in FT work.

JaceLancs · 13/01/2025 22:34

My DC are 31 and 33 so out of this category but have both been in employment of some kind since 16, combined with studies etc
DS was job hunting for about 3 months after finishing university until he got a graduate training opportunity
DD was doing agency work for about 6 months between jobs
I do appreciate it’s really hard but as an employer when we are recruiting get lots of applications from people who are just fulfilling their quota for job searching and loads of others who are really unsuitable
For example a question about safeguarding and risk assessment (think social work type role) prompted responses including experience sweeping up broken glass in a bar role

tailinthejam · 13/01/2025 22:34

My relative works in the hospitality industry, and for a time she was responsible for scheduling bar and waiting shifts. She'd talk to me sometimes about how stressful it was. She knew very well that a lot of the time she'd end up having to go in over and above her own shifts to cover, because people just wouldn't turn up. The worst age group by far is the 18-22's. They don't care, they think it's beneath them and don't really want the job anyway, they think the world owes them a living, and when they do actually turn up they spend all their energy in avoiding the work to be done. They have to be constantly supervised as the second you take your eyes off them, they are shirking. Relative had no control over the hiring either, it was down to her manager and their boss.The most hardworking, reliable and efficient staff were the middle-aged and up.

Cakeandusername · 13/01/2025 22:34

There’s a definite shift in attitude from some patents that they should concentrate on studies. I encouraged a pt job at sixth form but lots don’t want their kids working.
Traditional Saturday jobs don’t exist.
Mine worked at McDonalds zero hours contract from 16. But she was at their mercy for scheduling and couldn’t refuse shifts in reality - they had an unofficial snap chat group to trade. Her manager was nice and she got ok shifts but if not it wouldn’t have worked. Plus she was walking distance, if relying on bus it wouldn’t have worked eg 11pm finish after last bus.

Kids who haven’t worked then find it hard to get pt jobs at uni as they are on 18 plus min wage but no experience.
Regulations meaning younger workers need more protections - McDonalds manager called them her babies but I know dd needed a break sooner than an older worker etc. Hassle for employers scheduling.
If they have a skill like lifeguard, swim teacher or referee junior football it’s easier.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:33

FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 22:32

She is fortunately. Luckily she's not been swayed to pack in her decent job which she is doing very well in for social media that could end any day. She sees it as a bonus.

£2k a month is impressive! If you don’t mind me asking what does she do? (Don’t have TikTok so you may need to explain it to me like I’m a 🦖)

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Moonlightstars · 13/01/2025 22:33

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:11

Imagine! One of my first ‘real’ jobs I had to fax the figures to head office at the end of each day

the young’uns heads would explode 😂

Fax. Pah. I had to walk it down to head office which was in another building about 20mins away.

FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 22:32

Thepurplepig · 13/01/2025 22:25

I hope she’s investing that money and has a sound head on her. She appeared from what you’ve said to be pretty sensible.

She is fortunately. Luckily she's not been swayed to pack in her decent job which she is doing very well in for social media that could end any day. She sees it as a bonus.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:31

creamsnugjumper · 13/01/2025 22:30

@Hmmmmwhy because all of the applications and interviews are online it's an absolute ball-ache for younger ones to get jobs unless you know someone who works there.

Luckily both my DS work and are in education but it's taken my now 17 year old over 8 months to land a part time job.

Agree with this, everything being online and having to register accounts and fill out 100 different aptitude tests etc must be soul destroying

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katedan · 13/01/2025 22:31

Sadly this is the tip of the iceberg, all my kids had part time jobs from 16 and worked hard to have things on their C.Vs. DS 21 left university summer 24 with a 2.1 in business and cannot get any fulltime job at all. He has applied for lots and rarely gets any feedback. A lot of young people want to work but their is no opportunities.

creamsnugjumper · 13/01/2025 22:30

@Hmmmmwhy because all of the applications and interviews are online it's an absolute ball-ache for younger ones to get jobs unless you know someone who works there.

Luckily both my DS work and are in education but it's taken my now 17 year old over 8 months to land a part time job.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:30

It sounds a mixed bag then in terms of young people being able to find jobs. I guess from those who have children in that age bracket what can parents of younger children do now to boost chances for our kids? I’ve got a little way yet with mine but I’d like to equip them as best I can

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MartinCrieffsLemon · 13/01/2025 22:30

Our local FB pages often have young people asking for work, or parents of 16 year olds asking, and the feedback from most employees (who run things like hairdressers, dog salons, typical small businesses which would take on young people once) is that they can't take under 16s.

I would say the majority do want to work. It's just not easy

nex18 · 13/01/2025 22:26

My children are 18 and 21, they finished 6th form and graduated last summer. Although they have both got jobs (youngest is doing an apprenticeship) it’s due to perseverance and applying for lots of jobs and getting no feedback at all on the majority of them. They both have friends who are still looking, have only just started working or are working a few hours in supermarkets or pubs to get them by despite A levels, degrees and being perfectly employable in my eyes (presentable, people skills etc). So many jobs are offering minimum wage but wanting years of experience in the field. It’s tough out there.

2boyzNosleep · 13/01/2025 22:26

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:55

60?!! Wow. I guess we just used to walk in somewhere and ask, it was pretty easy. Never handed in a cv or anything. I had a job as a ‘Saturday girl’ in a hairdresser- £10 a day and I felt like the dog’s bollocks haha

Between 16-18 I applied for so many jobs, retail, hairdressers, basic office jobs, hotels.

This was 20 years ago, but I only got 2 interviews for 2 shops and didn't get it. I had good GCSEs grades, really really wanted to work, made a huge effort in preparing for interviews, but they ways wanted someone with 'experience'.

I imagine it's even worse now. There's very few of those jobs that you can just walk into now.

ItsProperlyColdOut · 13/01/2025 22:26

I think part of the problem is that schools are assessed on results and attendance and not at all one whether they look after kids with special educational needs.

The schools are very underfunded and short of teaching staff, so the kids are taught with videos and cover teachers a lot, but not with actual qualified adults who can look after kids with differences.

A lot of the kids with special educational needs end up with severe anxiety and stop going to school. Once they are out of the school system and already strugging with SEND and MH issues, it's really hard to get back in.

My DS is in this situation, in spite of being very bright and high achieving. He just couldn't cope with all the videos and nastiness in the teaching and developed anxiety disorder. It's very very hard to get a child back to good health and back into the system when they have lost trust in the teachers.

Part of the problem is that there is a lot of "off-rolling" too where kids who are struggling are forced out into "elective home education" and this treatment makes it very hard for the kids to trust adults in positions of responsibility in future.

Thepurplepig · 13/01/2025 22:25

FoxtonFoxton · 13/01/2025 22:14

I have to to say, my niece makes over 2k a month on tiktok...she also has a full time job that she is keeping so she's sensible luckily!

I hope she’s investing that money and has a sound head on her. She appeared from what you’ve said to be pretty sensible.

IVTT · 13/01/2025 22:24

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:20

yes swim teaching is in huge demand here- especially in private settings like swim babies or sen teaching

It is in demand across the country!

Realistically you can qualify in less than 3 months.

Also great opportunities to combine it with travel as they move out of education.
I see some lovely things like go and teach expats in the Caymans, Australia, Dubai for 3 months with accommodation provided.

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:23

TheHateIsNotGood · 13/01/2025 22:23

Nothing like someone from London where it's very hard to find staff for low-paid jobs coz of housing costs and the humungous economic divides between the richer and poorer sees fit to opine about how so many young people nationwide don't have jobs.

Dare I suggest that many places don't have very many jobs for anyone, let alone a young person.

I’m not from London? Maybe read the whole thread 🙂

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TheHateIsNotGood · 13/01/2025 22:23

Nothing like someone from London where it's very hard to find staff for low-paid jobs coz of housing costs and the humungous economic divides between the richer and poorer sees fit to opine about how so many young people nationwide don't have jobs.

Dare I suggest that many places don't have very many jobs for anyone, let alone a young person.

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