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1.2 million 16-24 year olds currently out of work?

292 replies

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 21:45

just heard this on the telly, is this correct? Anyone any anecdotal data (your own children- mine are much younger) of why? I find that astounding imagine if these young people never work, terrifying

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MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 16:46

I am a bit older, started work full time at 16 and state pension at 67. So could end up working more years than younger people

Nevereverontime · 14/01/2025 16:29

Most young people go to university now so could in theory be out of work until around 23, especially if they had a gap year. Not so shocking really,
They won't get to retire until at least 70 so good for them for delaying the start of it

jolota · 14/01/2025 16:22

My cousin is apparently unable to get a job because he hasn't got any 'experience' and there's 'too many' retirees in the job market now compared to when I was his age (10+ years ago)
I suspect the real reason is because he can't hold a conversation, can barely make eye contact, only comes out of his room for meals, spends most of his time gaming and the majority of his friends are online.
He has no social skills and speaks in a mumble so I can't believe he came across well in any interview, I doubt employers would be interested in taking a chance on him.
Not to mention his mum went into one of the places he'd applied to enquire about why he hadn't heard back about his application yet. Which seems deeply embarrassing to me.
I don't think he has any real motivation either though, his parents have always bought him anything he wanted, paid for any clubs or driving lessons he wanted. They intend to pay his way through university. He mostly gets money as presents for birthdays & Christmas anyway. Why would he bother making an effort to get a job in those circumstances?
I think a lot of parents are unwilling to let their children miss out on anything if they could technically afford to pay for it.

I do think there are factors making it more difficult for young people these days to get jobs as many people have already listed, the job market in general is more competitive not just at the starter level - but almost everyone in my social circle had a job at that age and the teenagers that I know now are just not mature enough to get a job.

EasternStandard · 14/01/2025 16:05

Scattery · 14/01/2025 15:24

Utterly baffled as to why 16 year olds are included in these statistics. DS is taking 4 A levels and doing DofE Gold. He doesn't have the time for a job.

I don’t think they are included, if in education that is

MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 16:04

XenoBitch · 14/01/2025 16:02

Care work is not for someone who is desperate to work.

Care homes are full of workers just willing to do any job. And it will remain like that as long as the pay is so low

XenoBitch · 14/01/2025 16:02

MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 16:02

Care homes are crying out for staff.

Care work is not for someone who is desperate to work.

MerryMaker · 14/01/2025 16:02

Care homes are crying out for staff.

Needspaceforlego · 14/01/2025 15:52

Lucy0o · 14/01/2025 15:13

Well we’ve had mass immigration because Tory donors want their cheap slave workers, so you can hardly blame young people for that. 3/4’s of jobs have gone to foreign nationals. There was a push for mass migration as it benefits the ruling class.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/indians-and-nigerians-fill-more-jobs-in-britain-than-uk-nationals/ar-AA1oEPOi

Trying to stop mass migration is a huge reason people voted to leave the EU. Trying to protect jobs for young people.

Needspaceforlego · 14/01/2025 15:49

JenniferBooth · 14/01/2025 14:53

somebody who works in the construction industry has already been on this thread to say that isnt true so posters who keep parroting it wont make it true
And before we start on statistics again the ONS classed workFARE as being in employment.

Construction seems to be crying out for skilled people.
Not graduates straight out of uni or apprentices on the tools.

Nobody seems to want to look 2/3 years in front of themselves. Partly due to the nature of Construction people move as projects come to an end.

Rumplestiltz · 14/01/2025 15:42

Scattery · 14/01/2025 15:24

Utterly baffled as to why 16 year olds are included in these statistics. DS is taking 4 A levels and doing DofE Gold. He doesn't have the time for a job.

As I understand it these figures are for those not in education, training or employment. So I don't think it would cover your highly accomplished and commendable ds.

Upstartled · 14/01/2025 15:35

GreenYellowBrown · 14/01/2025 15:26

My step-daughter has never worked and she’s 20. She’s got a baby now (who’s nearly 2) but it annoys me as I’ve always worked but she just wants something for nothing. She’s actually said she never plans to work 🤷‍♀️

If she is supported by the state, isn't there a requirement to work when the DC turns two?

Fordian · 14/01/2025 15:34

I have a non-productive 23 year old, graduated last June, but not in employment, education or training.

Also not on benefits.

He has an element of social anxiety.

I know it needs dealing with but we have to tread carefully. This isn't sustainable, I know, but many of his ex uni mates are also unemployed.

GreenYellowBrown · 14/01/2025 15:26

My step-daughter has never worked and she’s 20. She’s got a baby now (who’s nearly 2) but it annoys me as I’ve always worked but she just wants something for nothing. She’s actually said she never plans to work 🤷‍♀️

Scattery · 14/01/2025 15:24

Utterly baffled as to why 16 year olds are included in these statistics. DS is taking 4 A levels and doing DofE Gold. He doesn't have the time for a job.

Lucy0o · 14/01/2025 15:13

Well we’ve had mass immigration because Tory donors want their cheap slave workers, so you can hardly blame young people for that. 3/4’s of jobs have gone to foreign nationals. There was a push for mass migration as it benefits the ruling class.

www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/indians-and-nigerians-fill-more-jobs-in-britain-than-uk-nationals/ar-AA1oEPOi

Comefromaway · 14/01/2025 15:05

To add to my previous post. I am currently entering up job costings and producing invoices. Almost all of the jobs our apprentices are on are making a loss. This is because we cannot bill the client for the apprentice's time unless it is a two man job. Most small works are not, the apprentice is simply there to observe and learn. We can absorb it on some larger contracts (but we can't send under 18's to most of these sites).

Minimum wage for apprentices is due to rise substantially. Many construction firms are not willing to take on this financial hit.

JenniferBooth · 14/01/2025 14:53

TomorrowTodayYesterday · 14/01/2025 08:19

What makes you think it is harder for young people to find jobs? There is nothing in the statistics that back up your claim. Quite the opposite - industries like hospitality and construction are crying out for people.

somebody who works in the construction industry has already been on this thread to say that isnt true so posters who keep parroting it wont make it true
And before we start on statistics again the ONS classed workFARE as being in employment.

dottydodah · 14/01/2025 14:47

Hmmmwhy Jobs arent like they used to be.You need either experience or qualifications pref both! Young people are in a difficult position .When your DC are younger, it seems impossible that teens are not in work.When they are older it wont seem the same.

Cakeandusername · 14/01/2025 13:12

Vettrianofan · 14/01/2025 12:58

Waste services in many local authorities are usually crying out for staff on a casual basis.

It's well paid for what it is, but many young ones don't want to "get dirty" (PPE provided).

Our council regularly advertises for casual office cleaners 5-8pm shift. Would fit in well with sixth form or uni.

Cakeandusername · 14/01/2025 13:04

YP seem to do ok asking on our local town facebook. People will reply who is recruiting in town.
Volunteering helps. For my dc’s first paid job at 16 the leader where she volunteered did her reference.

Vettrianofan · 14/01/2025 12:58

Waste services in many local authorities are usually crying out for staff on a casual basis.

It's well paid for what it is, but many young ones don't want to "get dirty" (PPE provided).

Sinkintotheswamp · 14/01/2025 12:06

Hmmmmwhy · 13/01/2025 22:30

It sounds a mixed bag then in terms of young people being able to find jobs. I guess from those who have children in that age bracket what can parents of younger children do now to boost chances for our kids? I’ve got a little way yet with mine but I’d like to equip them as best I can

Get them volunteering at junior and big parkrun. Then when they're about 15 they can volunteer to help at the library summer reading challenge. I think all that helped my DC get a Saturday job at 17.
Maybe do D of E bronze too, just to show they're sensible and hands on.

boys3 · 14/01/2025 11:20

What is your doubt about the number based on @LlynTegid ?

if it’s about the quality of the Labour Force Survey, used by the Office for National Statistics, then that’s not wholly unreasonable. Especially given the ONS recognise the issues with it.

Seeline · 14/01/2025 10:38

I have a 20yo and a 23yo.

The 23yo started uni in 2020 - no jobs then! He eventually managed to get a job in his uni city in his 2nd year in a coffee chain. He had to work at least 16 hrs/week and only one shift could be at the weekend, so he had real difficulties fitting it around lectures. He also had to stay in his uni city for most holidays as he didn't have enough pro rata leave to come home. He gave it up in his final year to concentrate on his dissertation etc. He graduated with a first this summer. He is currently applying for grad roles to start next September (the process for which is unbelievably tortuous, especially having numerous applications on the go at the same time). He obviously wanted a job to cover the intervening period (although obviously didn't say this in his applications). He applied for numerous jobs in the retail and hospitality sectors from July onwards. He didn't even hear back from the majority. He got rejected from a branch of the coffee chain he had previously worked in for doing exactly the same job that he was doing at uni. He applied for all the supermarkets Christmas cover jobs - including the night shifts, and didn't get a single interview. He finally got a job in a pub in November - guaranteed 4hrs/week! Obviously over Christmas he was doing much more than that but not sure how things will work now. We are in South London. Even so, with a 12.30am finish, what would be a 10 minute drive, takes him nearly an hour on 2 buses.

The 20yo had a year out. The only job she could find was 4hrs/day in London at a museum. It took nearly 1.5hrs each way and cost over an hour's wage in tickets.

MermaidEyes · 14/01/2025 10:18

Going to add here, in my day (90s) half of us either had market stall jobs or babysitting jobs. Now markets are practically dead, the ones near me have all closed, and no one really wants random teenagers they don't know that well looking after their kids any more.