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What do gallstones feel like

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Kalei87 · 12/01/2025 20:23

for a few weeks I have had indigestion starting In the usual normal place for heartburn, centrally in the sternum, I feel like I need to burp, but can’t, then keep getting painful hiccups.

I’ve been taking nexium and gaviscon. This does help with the heartburn but then sometimes it travels down and turns into this pain relentlessly nagging and burning kind of gnawing pain for hours and hours that is more on the right hand side where my rib cage ends. No pain in my back. It feels like I have lots of trapped gas, but I don’t, as nothing is happening other than just having this pain. I have to lie down for ages and eventually it might go away of its own accord but nothing I do helps the pain to go apart from time. I’m not sick otherwise in any other way just this pain is ruining my life! It does hurt if I press on the area a bit

Earlier I felt ok a little bit of indigestion. I ate a normal healthy breakfast but then I was at a kids party and the only food was a slice of pizza, I was hungry, couldn’t leave and no other options so I ate one slice and since then I have been lying down for 5 hours with this pain. Regret regret.

I have nothing to compare this to so just wondered if this sounds like an ulcer or something. I will go see a doctor but just wondered if the 2 things might be related in anyone else’s experience

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StartingOverIn2025 · 14/01/2025 20:45

I found that anything could set it off, even an apple a couple of times.

itsjustbiology · 14/01/2025 11:38

When I had my attacks the buscopan injections worked amazingly quickly and coupled with warm milk to drink it made me feel quite full when I was scared to eat.

PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 20:44

Yes I know exactly what you mean about eating the same things. I don't have a gallbladder any more but passed a stone last night omg. It's true the pain is cataclysmic, I was on morphine but it didn't touch the sides.

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 20:39

@PrincessofWells myself and others seem to have this hand in hand with whatever is going on. Chronic IBS, GB and reflux seem to go together, mine does, usually the whole digestion system gets upset at the same time in different ways. I do not yet have GB diagnosed but whatever this is, it’s more than just IBS or acid reflux on its own. I have read up a lot that IBS and reflux is very common with GB related issues

My IBS has been way more settled now I eat less sugar and more fibre but I still get flare ups. This time round it’s more of a GERD flare up than IBS but I have been a bit more constipated than I usually am which doesn’t help.

I’ve been ok so far but I ate an identical lunch and dinner to be on the safe side 😂

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PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 20:34

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 20:28

I was diagnosed with IBS in my teens too. I have a bit of a dairy intolerance. Hard Cheese I was ok with up until recently but normal yoghurts and milk ice cream etc do not agree with my IBS. Partly why I started eating better and losing weight was chronic IBS with either terrible constipation or constant loose stools. I can now consistently go to the toilet normally and got my life back a bit there. I get mucus when it’s playing up and then I will usually get piles to add into the mix too. Currently unsure of my stool status as I did go today but it was different to usual. So I am keeping an eye on that too. I don’t want to be a poo troll 🤢 but it was really sticky and that’s not usual for me

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Thanks for your response @Caerulea I was wondering because my ibs has pretty awful the last few months, I wasn't sure whether it was the ibs or gb or a mix of the two. Sounds from @Kalei87 it's possibly a mix of the two.

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 20:28

I was diagnosed with IBS in my teens too. I have a bit of a dairy intolerance. Hard Cheese I was ok with up until recently but normal yoghurts and milk ice cream etc do not agree with my IBS. Partly why I started eating better and losing weight was chronic IBS with either terrible constipation or constant loose stools. I can now consistently go to the toilet normally and got my life back a bit there. I get mucus when it’s playing up and then I will usually get piles to add into the mix too. Currently unsure of my stool status as I did go today but it was different to usual. So I am keeping an eye on that too. I don’t want to be a poo troll 🤢 but it was really sticky and that’s not usual for me

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Caerulea · 13/01/2025 20:19

@PrincessofWells both, I think, ibs bought on by stress (had a terrible start to 2024 & it didn't get better) & then some part of that was gb & then it was all gallbladder. Mucus in the stools is a giveaway for ibs. Yellow stools that can sometimes STINK for the gb being a tosser.

I was previously 'diagnosed' with ibs in my teens

PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 19:55

Caerulea · 13/01/2025 16:56

When my issues started before the actual attacks, I tried to keeping a food diary but it made no sense at all for the things they were investigating (IBD, colon problems etc). There was no obvious pattern at all, not even now tbh. Can't do too much milk (half a tsp in my tea is all I have) or young cheeses but fine with mature cheddar & blue cheese etc. Also fine with any type of authentic Greek yoghurt so something going on with higher lactose.

No eggs. An oat biscuit tried to kill me as did some cherry molasses. Half an avocado led to an ambulance visit. Pork is an absolute no, but proper fries (in soya oil) & butter are fine.

Have you tried peppermint tea today to help with the stuck burp feeling?

Ooo one thing that really helped (I was running gastritis, IBS & undiagnosed gallstones at one point) was Moju gut health drinks, the pink one. It didn't upset me at all & seemed to do more for the gastritis pain then the omeprazole if I did it daily for a few weeks.

Did you have IBS or was it actually the gallbladder?

Caerulea · 13/01/2025 16:56

When my issues started before the actual attacks, I tried to keeping a food diary but it made no sense at all for the things they were investigating (IBD, colon problems etc). There was no obvious pattern at all, not even now tbh. Can't do too much milk (half a tsp in my tea is all I have) or young cheeses but fine with mature cheddar & blue cheese etc. Also fine with any type of authentic Greek yoghurt so something going on with higher lactose.

No eggs. An oat biscuit tried to kill me as did some cherry molasses. Half an avocado led to an ambulance visit. Pork is an absolute no, but proper fries (in soya oil) & butter are fine.

Have you tried peppermint tea today to help with the stuck burp feeling?

Ooo one thing that really helped (I was running gastritis, IBS & undiagnosed gallstones at one point) was Moju gut health drinks, the pink one. It didn't upset me at all & seemed to do more for the gastritis pain then the omeprazole if I did it daily for a few weeks.

Moll2020 · 13/01/2025 16:28

Gallstone pain for me was an awful pain right by the middle of my bra which seemed to go through and hurt in my back and right shoulder blade - gallstone pain is horrible

PicturePlace · 13/01/2025 16:00

Yes, that sounds like gallstones. A pain that gets progressively worse, and then clears after 2-6 hours, when the stone has passed.

BIossomtoes · 13/01/2025 15:57

Your doctor clearly didn't think your clinical need was that high otherwise you would have been prioritised. Had it been life-threatening you would have been dealt with earlier.

Then why did the surgeon apologise for the delay and tell me it had caused unnecessary complications? I got overlooked in the system is the reason.

I’m not engaging with you any more, you’re not posting in good faith.

Notonthestairs · 13/01/2025 15:51

"what has anyone found is the wrong thing to eat? are there any common triggers?"

When it first began I kept a food diary - turned out to be linked to dairy, too much spicy food and (bizarrely) eggs. I don't think it was necessarily linked to the meal I had directly before the pain but I think my overall diet.
I let that slip over the last week with some postponed NY catch ups, threw caution to the wind and paid the price this weekend.

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 15:43

@PrincessofWells bread has been a major dominator so far and in all honesty it’s not really high in fat I think it’s also about fibre?

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PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 15:41

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 15:36

Touch wood I am ok today and what I have eaten has not set it off again.

Ive had
dairy free yoghurt
banana
rice, chicken and veg
I did also have a naked pressed fruit bar and 2 tiny shortbread biscuits

I will try to avoid white bread and cheese (which I am gutted about) as these are great big suspects so far!

I don’t know if this is a thing but I wish I could burp, it feels like it would be lovely but it’s very restricted feeling and won’t let me.

what has anyone found is the wrong thing to eat? are there any common triggers?

Fat is the culprit.

PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 15:39

BIossomtoes · 13/01/2025 13:17

Had you bothered to read my post you’d have seen my clinical need, based on the ultrasound, was acute. I had two massive stones (I’ve posted a picture upthread) which were in danger of making my gallbladder burst. It was on the cusp of needing open surgery and the removal was so difficult I needed a blood transfusion due to internal bleeding. The surgeon apologised for the delay, which caused unnecessary complications. So maybe stop picking on me and accusing me of jumping the queue and spouting ignorant, judgemental nonsense.

I didn’t want to frighten you @Kalei87 but that’s why I - and a couple of other posters - have given you the advice we have.

Your doctor clearly didn't think your clinical need was that high otherwise you would have been prioritised. Had it been life-threatening you would have been dealt with earlier. Perhaps the real issue is the lack of resources to enable immediate relief from health issues rather than keeping them waiting.

Lots of people have gallstones that cause them no issues at all through their lives. And it isn't the 'massive' as you put it, gallstones that create the issues, it's the smaller ones that get into the biliary duct and become trapped. I shan't continue arguing with you. Most people aren't stupid and foolhardy enough to exaggerate their symptoms that could effect the quality of their outcome. It is an incredibly stupid thing to do.

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 15:36

Touch wood I am ok today and what I have eaten has not set it off again.

Ive had
dairy free yoghurt
banana
rice, chicken and veg
I did also have a naked pressed fruit bar and 2 tiny shortbread biscuits

I will try to avoid white bread and cheese (which I am gutted about) as these are great big suspects so far!

I don’t know if this is a thing but I wish I could burp, it feels like it would be lovely but it’s very restricted feeling and won’t let me.

what has anyone found is the wrong thing to eat? are there any common triggers?

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orangetree99 · 13/01/2025 13:54

I had a stitch on right rib for months as well as being very gassy and also right back ache, made worse when I ate the wrong thing. I have a hiatus hernia and blamed it on that for ages. Then I had an ultrasound which showed two large gallstones - 25 and 27mm. So niggly pain rather than agony and now waiting for referral to consultant. I believe the agonising pain is caused when the gallstone blocks the bile duct. Hoping I can get mine out before that happens.

BIossomtoes · 13/01/2025 13:47

I hope it goes well for you. You’re far better prepared than I was and that’s helpful.

Kalei87 · 13/01/2025 13:34

I feel semi confident I know what to be wary of as I had already started to worry about my liver or pancreas so I know what to watch out for, and I would not delay going to A&E if I was in agony, but I am not at this time. If I was sick or unable to move and debilitated with pain I would go. I didn’t have a fever and I didn’t throw up

I will just be honest with my GP about what has been happening and take it from there. I will be asking for an ultrasound and I can advocate for that. I can’t afford any private healthcare. I don’t know how long the waiting list is here either. I assume cases are prioritised on each individual case, if I am just a bit sludgy then I will have to wait longer than someone who has very bad stones causing them pain more often. I will ask to go back on lansoprazole as I still have acid indigestion and it’s not cleared up in weeks with over the counter meds. I have buscopan and I’m watching what I eat

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BIossomtoes · 13/01/2025 13:17

PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 13:07

Don't be disingenuous 'What’s wrong with exaggerating the symptoms to hurry it up?'

That is jumping some of the queue of people whose clinical need is greater than yours. Such clinical need is based on symptoms and test results.

Had you bothered to read my post you’d have seen my clinical need, based on the ultrasound, was acute. I had two massive stones (I’ve posted a picture upthread) which were in danger of making my gallbladder burst. It was on the cusp of needing open surgery and the removal was so difficult I needed a blood transfusion due to internal bleeding. The surgeon apologised for the delay, which caused unnecessary complications. So maybe stop picking on me and accusing me of jumping the queue and spouting ignorant, judgemental nonsense.

I didn’t want to frighten you @Kalei87 but that’s why I - and a couple of other posters - have given you the advice we have.

PrincessofWells · 13/01/2025 13:07

BIossomtoes · 13/01/2025 11:34

Nobody mentioned jumping the queue.

Don't be disingenuous 'What’s wrong with exaggerating the symptoms to hurry it up?'

That is jumping some of the queue of people whose clinical need is greater than yours. Such clinical need is based on symptoms and test results.

Grannyinnwaiting · 13/01/2025 12:47

Mine came on suddenly last month excruciating pain - worse than child birth i was lying on the kitchen floor vomiting into my mixing bowl as i was too ill to find a basin. I thought I was dying. A large stone tge size of a quails egg was blocking my bile duct so my liver function was impacted. Admitted, given morphine and antibiotics and had key hole surgery to remove stone and gall bladder the week before Christmas - released next day. Quick recovery. Entire abdomen painful to the touch but especially the top left

Caerulea · 13/01/2025 12:39

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 13/01/2025 12:24

If it's any help to you Derriford run gall bladder surgeries at the weekends. So if that's an option for you rather than Treliske it might be worth talking to your consultant or GP about the 'right to choose' thing.

But I do think to get on the list for urgent surgery you need to present at A&E. Mine was about 9 days after I went in in agony, had it out on a Saturday in Novemeber. I was very surprised with how quickly they dealt with it.

Derriford do what?! That's not been mentioned to me once & I was actively told not to go A&E (treliske obvs). As it is gp surgery messed up my referral so badly (nhs initially rejected u the referral cos the surgery did abs none of the things they were asked to do by the surgical team, then took another month after the rejection for the surgery to even contact me to book me in for tests I'd already had!) I've been referred to the Duchy hospital & so should be done within 8 months now which will be 14mnths or so after initial referral.

The difference in treatment depending on the gp surgery & your location absolutely disgusts & depresses me :(

GrannyAchingsShepherdsHut · 13/01/2025 12:24

Caerulea · 13/01/2025 10:26

I've not felt even so much as a suggestion of nausea, not everyone does.

Unfortunately there's a real postcode lottery with this, I'm in Cornwall & the wait here for the surgery is very very long & I was told by the ambulance paramedic that A&E would do nothing for me but give me morphine. Ppl I know personally down here have waited years for removal (unless funding privately) even after pancreatitis, yet ppl I know up-country HAVE had it removed soon after an A&E visit for an 'ordinary' attack (they are blokes though & I'm sure that makes a difference 🤨)

Guidance is anything longer than 5/6 hours to go A&E fwiw.

If you can afford a couple of hundred quid then you can get a private US which will definitely be quicker than waiting via the GP to get referred, you'll not get into the waiting list without one.

If it's any help to you Derriford run gall bladder surgeries at the weekends. So if that's an option for you rather than Treliske it might be worth talking to your consultant or GP about the 'right to choose' thing.

But I do think to get on the list for urgent surgery you need to present at A&E. Mine was about 9 days after I went in in agony, had it out on a Saturday in Novemeber. I was very surprised with how quickly they dealt with it.

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