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Most people don’t declare medical conditions at work unless they absolutely have to.

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Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 15:23

I’ve had a few medical conditions since my twenties (I’m now in my forties) which I never declared on work applications or on health checks at work. I haven’t needed any adaptations at work and no one was in danger so I felt that telling them would be pointless and I would face discrimination. In my last job I declared a medical condition and within weeks was pushed out. Speaking to my friends, it seems we’re quite split.

What do you think?
YABU- I have always been honest about my health in (prospective) jobs.
YANBU- I do not declare heath issues unless absolutely necessary.

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MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:53

EmmaMaria · 14/01/2025 11:49

You posted as I was typing - you are talking about two different sets of obligations in law though. Nobody is obliged to disclose their health conditions. Full stop. But they are required to comply with Health & Safety at work, and that may mean that they are legally not able to do certain jobs because of their condition. In which case, if they then covered up their condition they can not only be dismissed fairly, but they could also be prosecuted for Health & Safety violations, or, in the worst case secenario, potentially sued for damages arising from their actions.

You’ve explained that so much better than I. Thanks.

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:52

WaitingForMojo · 14/01/2025 11:48

It’s a bit more complicated than that.

Like I said check with ACAS or an employment solicitor if you think you need to

EmmaMaria · 14/01/2025 11:49

SuzieNine · 14/01/2025 11:41

What do you think the law says exactly? There is no law requiring you to reveal medical information, but if you are asked to do so by your employer and refuse, or lie, then they are going to dismiss you if, for example, you are a crane operator and omitted to reveal your epilepsy diagnosis.

You posted as I was typing - you are talking about two different sets of obligations in law though. Nobody is obliged to disclose their health conditions. Full stop. But they are required to comply with Health & Safety at work, and that may mean that they are legally not able to do certain jobs because of their condition. In which case, if they then covered up their condition they can not only be dismissed fairly, but they could also be prosecuted for Health & Safety violations, or, in the worst case secenario, potentially sued for damages arising from their actions.

WaitingForMojo · 14/01/2025 11:48

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:47

If you are dismissed for not disclosing medical information then you will have a case for unfair dismissal for a protected characteristic.

do check with ACAS or an employment solicitor if still unclear 👍

It’s a bit more complicated than that.

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:47

SuzieNine · 14/01/2025 11:41

What do you think the law says exactly? There is no law requiring you to reveal medical information, but if you are asked to do so by your employer and refuse, or lie, then they are going to dismiss you if, for example, you are a crane operator and omitted to reveal your epilepsy diagnosis.

If you are dismissed for not disclosing medical information then you will have a case for unfair dismissal for a protected characteristic.

do check with ACAS or an employment solicitor if still unclear 👍

EmmaMaria · 14/01/2025 11:45

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:32

That Is not what the law says though.

whilst it can be helpful to share medical information there is no legal obligation to do so and employers can ask but not require.

just check ACAS or ask any employment solicitor.

That said there are laws which would be applicable if you failed to disclose something that directly impacted on your employment - e.g the Health and Safety at Work Act 1974. That Act imposes an equal duty of employees to protect their health and safety and that of others. So if you failed to declare something that could or would make you unfit for work, it could very easily be a dismissable offence. I suspect, although I don't know the case in question, that that sort of scenario applied to the nurse who was fairly dismissed for failing to declare.

SuzieNine · 14/01/2025 11:41

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:32

That Is not what the law says though.

whilst it can be helpful to share medical information there is no legal obligation to do so and employers can ask but not require.

just check ACAS or ask any employment solicitor.

What do you think the law says exactly? There is no law requiring you to reveal medical information, but if you are asked to do so by your employer and refuse, or lie, then they are going to dismiss you if, for example, you are a crane operator and omitted to reveal your epilepsy diagnosis.

MajorCarolDanvers · 14/01/2025 11:32

SuzieNine · 14/01/2025 11:16

You certainly are for jobs that are safety critical and where your condition might impact the safety of others or yourself.

That Is not what the law says though.

whilst it can be helpful to share medical information there is no legal obligation to do so and employers can ask but not require.

just check ACAS or ask any employment solicitor.

SuzieNine · 14/01/2025 11:16

MajorCarolDanvers · 12/01/2025 18:06

you are under no obligation to share any medical info with your employer

however if you require any support or reasonable adjustments of protection from discrimination then they need to be told.

You certainly are for jobs that are safety critical and where your condition might impact the safety of others or yourself.

WaitingForMojo · 12/01/2025 18:41

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:47

That’s awful! Punished for trying to work despite their issues. I agree a workplaces reaction is very telling.

I actually think it would have been fine if they’d just declared it but they were worried it would be a barrier :-(

BeTheCrown · 12/01/2025 18:17

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:58

@BeTheCrown that’s strange about the PND. Have your work (school?) been ok about your physical ailments? It makes me sad about being another nail in the coffin. Funnily enough, I told my school that I was perimenopausal just before I declared the condition that saw me pushed out.

Fine so far, as my attendance is high, only one day off. But ask me again this time next year.

MajorCarolDanvers · 12/01/2025 18:06

you are under no obligation to share any medical info with your employer

however if you require any support or reasonable adjustments of protection from discrimination then they need to be told.

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 18:02

lavenderlou · 12/01/2025 17:58

Gosh, I haven't had to declare conditions myself but this thread is so worrying to me. I have two teens with autism and both have associated anxiety issues. One has OCD. They are both academically capable and should get decent qualifications but may need some adjustments in future workplaces to function well - I don't know this but based on in their experiences of school this would be a possibility. I had already thought that it would be inadvisable to declare anything when applying but hoped it would be ok to declare after starting a job. So depressing to hear that illness or disability is still such a stigma.

I truly hope that things change and we get to a point where people are trusted to know their capabilities and what works for them without being punished for things out of their control by the time your teens start working. At the moment, sadly there is still a big stigma.

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Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:58

@BeTheCrown that’s strange about the PND. Have your work (school?) been ok about your physical ailments? It makes me sad about being another nail in the coffin. Funnily enough, I told my school that I was perimenopausal just before I declared the condition that saw me pushed out.

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lavenderlou · 12/01/2025 17:58

Gosh, I haven't had to declare conditions myself but this thread is so worrying to me. I have two teens with autism and both have associated anxiety issues. One has OCD. They are both academically capable and should get decent qualifications but may need some adjustments in future workplaces to function well - I don't know this but based on in their experiences of school this would be a possibility. I had already thought that it would be inadvisable to declare anything when applying but hoped it would be ok to declare after starting a job. So depressing to hear that illness or disability is still such a stigma.

BeTheCrown · 12/01/2025 17:53

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 15:36

This is my experience too. The one time I was honest it was used against me.

It wasn't used against me but I disclosed PND on a health form and the school I was starting a new job at (but already knew me) made me go to Occupational Health (DC was five by then!)

I have recently disclosed a physical ailment as I may need time off when my treatment appointment comes up.

I am sure they are already aware of my health being shot right now (perimenopause) but I am never going to admit the extent of my mental health issues. They cannot make reasonable adjustments and it will be another nail in my coffin.

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:51

ohyesido · 12/01/2025 17:05

Unfortunately society likes to persecute those who are deemed to be different, more vulnerable or weaker.

For me it would be people looking at me in a certain way and expecting me to behave in a certain way based on stereotypes relating to my condition. So i don't tell anyone irl

I agree with this. I feel like people get punished for bad health at work. And the judgement is awful!

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mitogoshigg · 12/01/2025 17:49

I'm don't declare because it's my private business, I'm not asking for adaptations and I'm not expecting to need time off, they are the sort of "one of those things" conditions, lifelong but no relevance to my work.

Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:49

JoanOfArchers · 12/01/2025 16:28

I would have to be honest and declare my chronic medical condition as I have 8 weekly treatments at the hospital. I’m currently job hunting and the thought of bringing this up during an interview is a little daunting, I also imagine it might have negative implications for my success but I’d prefer to be honest from the start as it’s not something I could hide from them.

I guess in your case you have no choice. I hope they see past your condition, best of luck.

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Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:47

WaitingForMojo · 12/01/2025 16:26

I know someone (a nurse) who was dismissed for failing to declare to occupational health, and lost a tribunal, so lost their registration.

You wouldn’t know before telling them, that’s my point. By telling them, you’d find out whether it’s somewhere you want to work.

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That’s awful! Punished for trying to work despite their issues. I agree a workplaces reaction is very telling.

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Grapesandcheseseplease · 12/01/2025 17:43

skilpadde · 12/01/2025 15:52

There is a counterargument that by not disclosing, you make it more difficult to get justice later (if it comes to that). This is particularly important if you have a condition that would mean you're likely to be a considered as having a disability under the Equality Act.

Your protection under the Equality Act arguably doesn't exist if your employer didn't know or couldn't reasonably have known about your condition, and wasn't given the opportunity to offer reasonable adjustments to you.

Failing to disclose has led to ex-employees losing claims at an employment tribunal, essentially because their employer couldn't be expected to be psychic. This happens even when the ex-employee had fair grounds for withholding the information, such as knowing that their employer had discriminated against or treated other employees poorly in relation to their disability / condition.

This is a fair comment. I guess it depends on how likely it is that the given illness affects the persons ability to do their job and if they actually need adjustments.

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TiredEyesToday · 12/01/2025 17:11

I travel for work so for insurance purposes have had to tell them about some recent physical health issues- and also because I’ll need leave for surgery. But otherwise I wouldn’t routinely, I don’t think, no.

It’s not the same thing, but I remember going on a geography A Level field trip overseas, and because I was having counseling for anxiety, the school needed to know (for the insurance) and my geography teacher (who was loathsome generally) made me feel like a) a massive inconvenience and b) a lunatic. So I learned my lesson early about that. Luckily as I’ve got older my MH has been pretty secure, except postpartum (and I was freelance then) so it’s never yet come up- but I think if it did, I’d be reluctant to disclose, and completely understand why people dont.

Owwwwwww · 12/01/2025 17:05

DojaPhat · 12/01/2025 17:01

Yanbu but someone will come along with a rose-tinted view of the modern workplace. Morality is a separate question, we'd all like to think the best of others and the workplace but the truth of it is if you can manage without telling a soul then take that route. Discrimination won't show up a neatly wrapped package labelled 'get this one out', it will be very subtle, almost to the point you'd feel odd questioning it, but that doubt will always linger. All else being equal don't declare it.

I agree with this.

ohyesido · 12/01/2025 17:05

Unfortunately society likes to persecute those who are deemed to be different, more vulnerable or weaker.

For me it would be people looking at me in a certain way and expecting me to behave in a certain way based on stereotypes relating to my condition. So i don't tell anyone irl

Owwwwwww · 12/01/2025 17:02

Yes, I’m not denying that they want to succeed, but if they are struggling then by definition it will impact their ability to perform, through no fault of their own.

Edit to add that is was in response to @ohyesido