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Husband says any man would cheat given the opportunity

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Esgd27 · 12/01/2025 01:53

I’m a bit gobsmacked. Been with my DH for 30 years and have 2 grown up kid. Our relationship is generally ok.
We were watching a TV show tonight in which a woman hired a private detective to seduce her husband to see if he was faithful to her. My DH said it was unfair as it was entrapment. I said it was a bit odd but I guess the fictional wife had some concerns and was testing her husband. My DH doubled down by saying that all men would cheat given the opportunity. I challenged him and asked if he felt like that (ie he would cheat given half a chance). He said that he would and that any man would.
A very frosty exchange followed. He raised his voice and then tried to backtrack saying that wasn’t what he’d said and he didn’t mean it. But he did definitely say it. He’d drunk a bottle of wine so no doubt that exacerbated his truculence. He then went to bed in a huff.
I’m don’t particularly think he’s been /being unfaithful - and as a slightly plump balding 60 year old I don’t think he’s exactly Casanova.
I’ve tried to tell myself that it was just a slightly drunken silly remark. But I am still fuming - I thought it was a pretty rude and disrespectful thing to say to your wife. Particularly as he doubled down and didn’t apologise. He just didn’t seem to care or think what he was saying and it raised some concerns with me about his underlying moral code.

OP posts:
JHound · 13/01/2025 23:54

MarkingBad · 13/01/2025 19:08

I've seen those figures pertain to a study in college students.

Most studies suggest an average figure of around 20-25% it's been pretty consistant across a number of studies, both genders cheat with women tending to admit in slightly lower percentages than men, possibly because of sex work availability.

I suppose if we look at our sexual history overall there is a lot more cheating in casual relationships but less cheating in serious relationships. When you consider women on average find attached men far more attractive than single ones the opportunities for married men to cheat is potentially higher and yet the actual amount of cheating in more serious committed relationships is relatively low.

Edited

Sources? For any of this?

JHound · 13/01/2025 23:53

I am confused by women who agree with this but still want to date men.

Why would you want to risk your mental and physical health in this manner.

JHound · 13/01/2025 23:52

Lampzade · 13/01/2025 03:44

’Men are as faithful as their options’…… quote from Chris Rock

Oh. That’s sorted then. Chris Rock said it so it must be true….

JHound · 13/01/2025 23:52

soberserene · 12/01/2025 22:09

Actually, I'm relieved he's admitted it. I feel as if men all know this, but never admit it.
My DH definitely would.

That’s rather sad.

graffittimonkey · 13/01/2025 22:44

So your DH has admitted that if he had ever got an offer to cheat on you, he would have done.

The ONLY reason he has remained faithful to you is because no other woman has never flirted with him or given any indication that she'd be interested in getting off with him; presumably because he's unappealing to look at and spend time with, so no one else fancies him?

He's with you because he's never had an option to be with anyone else, and he would happily risk your marriage and cheat if he was ever given that choice.

Wow.

That's quite the confession.

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 22:42

Jazzjazzjazz · 13/01/2025 22:30

And yet there are lots of posts on here speaking on behalf of all men, and also on all humankind as a whole 🙄 total arrogance, and it’s because of their own desires, because they would, so they can’t fathom that some are so far removed from that thinking. And for those who thing all men would, it’s either misandry, or just the men they have known

Edited

That's it in a nutshell. Because they would cheat they can't understand that others may feel differently.

Bowies · 13/01/2025 22:30

Lollipopsicle · 12/01/2025 02:34

.*..deploy the penguin bollards

😂*

I got side tracked wondering about penguin bollards!

I think he’s wrong and penguin bollards may be deployed by OP as she sees fit.

Jazzjazzjazz · 13/01/2025 22:30

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 22:23

@ByHardyAquaFox

It takes a staggering level of arrogance to believe anyone can speak on behalf of every single one of the billions of men in the world.

It's actually laughable.

Edited

And yet there are lots of posts on here speaking on behalf of all men, and also on all humankind as a whole 🙄 total arrogance, and it’s because of their own desires, because they would, so they can’t fathom that some are so far removed from that thinking. And for those who thing all men would, it’s either misandry, or just the men they have known

Willyoujustbequiet · 13/01/2025 22:23

@ByHardyAquaFox

It takes a staggering level of arrogance to believe anyone can speak on behalf of every single one of the billions of men in the world.

It's actually laughable.

ByHardyAquaFox · 13/01/2025 22:20

Willyoujustbequiet · 12/01/2025 02:12

He's completely wrong.

He isn't. They don't carry it out because of the consequences. Nothing else.

Alalalala · 13/01/2025 22:06

@Esgd27 I hope he knows it’s dented you, and undermined your trust. That it’s changed things. Maybe he should wake up and work harder to regain your belief in him.

buscuit91 · 13/01/2025 22:02

Well, he could cheat because he said he would if given the opportunity?

I think that says it all

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/01/2025 21:54

godmum56 · 13/01/2025 21:48

it was a joke

What's the joke ?

godmum56 · 13/01/2025 21:48

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/01/2025 20:12

Wrong thread? What do penis beakers and penguins have to do with DH willingness to cheat ?

it was a joke

WigglyVonWaggly · 13/01/2025 21:46

I actually think he’s being refreshingly honest. A few men over the years have told me that ‘most’ men would. They never include themselves in it, of course. But yes, it’s something that didn’t need saying because an admission that he would be capable is in some ways as unsettling as an admission that he already had been. It does sow the seed that it’s just a matter of time and he won’t feel too much of a moral struggle either. It’s the blasé attitude that’s the worry. Are you meant to just nod in acceptance?

GiddyRobin · 13/01/2025 20:56

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 13/01/2025 19:19

Sorry but, your house with CCTV that you both know is there.

I am cynical but I've read so many - really so many threads from women who've believed.

Amusingly, he didn't know it was there. I'd put it out so I could film the birds. I've never seen him so distressed, and I'm sure there are many many arguments against it, but I know him well enough to say that his shocked face when he saw me proved he had absolutely no idea I was there.

I'm cynical, too. I've been with and around enough men to know that this goes on. I know for a fact my DH isn't one of those men.

Pippyls67 · 13/01/2025 20:38

Maybe he’s saying any man could cheat and it mean nothing in terms of their emotions. As in its purely a sexual gratification thing. I’ve heard several men say that before to be honest. And they’ve been in seemingly loving relationships with women who they were committed to. It’s maybe just an animalistic thing. Grim and definitely not ok by me, but probably true.

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/01/2025 20:14

Holu · 12/01/2025 09:26

Some men are serial cheats and will dip and in and out. They won't ever leave their wives. They simply want sex with other women. Some will only cheat for exit affair because they fundamentally aren't happy with their marriage but do want to be married. Given the chance to be with someone they're more suited to they will cheat briefly and go. I'd put at least 75% of men into either of the above categories. Women are fools who give up their own independence and stay home long term. You're just so vulnerable.

Cheaters will certainly dip in and out given the opportunity

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/01/2025 20:13

Katemax82 · 12/01/2025 08:32

My husband would never say that in a million years, he is staunchly anti cheating

Or so you think

Bogginsthe3rd · 13/01/2025 20:12

WalkingThroughTreacle · 12/01/2025 02:16

LTB, change the locks, get your ducks in a row, smash the penis beaker and deploy the penguin bollards. It was a stupid remark on the back of a frivolous and largely pointless, wine-fuelled disagreement on the back of a fictional TV show. He clearly can't speak for all men and unless he has actually been in the situation he can't even speak truly for himself.

Wrong thread? What do penis beakers and penguins have to do with DH willingness to cheat ?

Jazzjazzjazz · 13/01/2025 20:11

MarkingBad · 13/01/2025 19:08

I've seen those figures pertain to a study in college students.

Most studies suggest an average figure of around 20-25% it's been pretty consistant across a number of studies, both genders cheat with women tending to admit in slightly lower percentages than men, possibly because of sex work availability.

I suppose if we look at our sexual history overall there is a lot more cheating in casual relationships but less cheating in serious relationships. When you consider women on average find attached men far more attractive than single ones the opportunities for married men to cheat is potentially higher and yet the actual amount of cheating in more serious committed relationships is relatively low.

Edited

College students 🤣 and a small pool of them at that, college where morally depraved kids go to get their leg over. This is why people should be careful about using statistics, some use them to make themselves feel better about their own choices though

Jazzjazzjazz · 13/01/2025 20:09

Sisterwinter1969 · 13/01/2025 18:41

Men are genetically programmed to spread their genes as widely as possible, and hence are much more likely to be tempted take any opportunity arising. That's not to say all men would.

Absolute bullshit theory

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 13/01/2025 19:19

GiddyRobin · 13/01/2025 00:40

I don't think this is the case for every man at all. Some, maybe.

I came home one night, we were having a small party and it was just me, my friend, DH, and newer friend left. Kids were in my sister's. I popped out to the next village (taxi) for more booze with my friend. Left DH alone with a newer female friend. Absolutely gorgeous, tall, model-like (I'm 5' nothing and while I'm good looking, I'm not a model), properly beautiful.

I came back and no one heard, the doors were closed and lights off. They were down the other end of the garden and you can't hear from there. Was putting the wine out in the kitchen and looked out the window into the garden where we'd been sitting. This woman made a move on DH. He literally swerved back, held her wrists and pushed her back off him. Stood up, yelled at her for trying to cross boundaries and stormed inside. He didn't know I was there, he saw me and panicked in case I got the wrong impression. I saw the whole thing and our security camera proved nothing else had happened.

He was as mortified as I'd have been if a male friend had done that. So no, I don't think all men will cheat if given the opportunity. I know it sounds naive, and I've met the kind of man who would. I don't think I'm married to one of them at all.

Edited

Sorry but, your house with CCTV that you both know is there.

I am cynical but I've read so many - really so many threads from women who've believed.

MustWeDoThis · 13/01/2025 19:17

Esgd27 · 12/01/2025 01:53

I’m a bit gobsmacked. Been with my DH for 30 years and have 2 grown up kid. Our relationship is generally ok.
We were watching a TV show tonight in which a woman hired a private detective to seduce her husband to see if he was faithful to her. My DH said it was unfair as it was entrapment. I said it was a bit odd but I guess the fictional wife had some concerns and was testing her husband. My DH doubled down by saying that all men would cheat given the opportunity. I challenged him and asked if he felt like that (ie he would cheat given half a chance). He said that he would and that any man would.
A very frosty exchange followed. He raised his voice and then tried to backtrack saying that wasn’t what he’d said and he didn’t mean it. But he did definitely say it. He’d drunk a bottle of wine so no doubt that exacerbated his truculence. He then went to bed in a huff.
I’m don’t particularly think he’s been /being unfaithful - and as a slightly plump balding 60 year old I don’t think he’s exactly Casanova.
I’ve tried to tell myself that it was just a slightly drunken silly remark. But I am still fuming - I thought it was a pretty rude and disrespectful thing to say to your wife. Particularly as he doubled down and didn’t apologise. He just didn’t seem to care or think what he was saying and it raised some concerns with me about his underlying moral code.

Say the same thing back to him, "Thinking on it, darling I suppose I would as well. Probably with someone a little younger and fitter." Then shrug and walk off.

MarkingBad · 13/01/2025 19:08

JHound · 13/01/2025 17:55

What is the source for these figures?

I've seen those figures pertain to a study in college students.

Most studies suggest an average figure of around 20-25% it's been pretty consistant across a number of studies, both genders cheat with women tending to admit in slightly lower percentages than men, possibly because of sex work availability.

I suppose if we look at our sexual history overall there is a lot more cheating in casual relationships but less cheating in serious relationships. When you consider women on average find attached men far more attractive than single ones the opportunities for married men to cheat is potentially higher and yet the actual amount of cheating in more serious committed relationships is relatively low.