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Dentist annual salary??

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Milsonwilson · 11/01/2025 22:11

So it seems as though lots of people are wanting to become dentists lately including a friend of mine. She is thinking of a complete career change as there's "so much money" to be made in it.

I've had a little look and can't seem to find the average annual wage for a general dentist?

Is this true? Is their wage that high?

I know there would be money to be made if she opened her own practice. But what about on a employed basis?
Anyone have knowledge of this?

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ThDanielDay · 12/01/2025 01:55

Not sure if it's similar in England, but over here (ireland) half the dentists I know seem to be getting rich off being legally entitled to administer botox.

TwoLeftSocksWithHoles · 12/01/2025 01:49

I wasn't aware that there are 'lots of people are wanting to become a dentist' except myself - in fact I'd give my eye teeth to be one.

Although I'll admit that is largely because it would give me unlimited access to that pink drink, and I could play in that reclining chair during my lunch break..

TheSquareMile · 12/01/2025 01:46

@Milsonwilson

She might want to consider dentistry in the Armed Forces. She would have to complete a degree in dentistry and be registered, of course.

Depending on her age, she may be able to consider this option:

https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/careers/roles/dental-officer-cadet

How old is she, by the way? Does she have the qualifications she would need to be accepted on a degree course in dentistry?

blueshoes · 12/01/2025 01:12

This thread has been an eye-opener.

Mukey · 12/01/2025 01:07

daisydaughter · 11/01/2025 23:55

I am intrigued about the physical and mental challenges of dentistry and why it is so stressful?

I don’t actually know any dentists, so am ignorant on this point. That is to say, I’m sure it has its pressures as do all professional jobs. But my dentist always seems so cheery and relaxed, I guess I don’t see the stressful side of things?

I’m not a dentist I’m a hygienist. But some of the challenges are similar.
After doing this job almost 20 years I cannot tell you how much pain I have from bending over and leaning in positions I shouldn’t. My back, neck, wrists, fingers and shoulders are all totally fucked quite honestly. I’m not sure I’ll make it to retirement and I’m genuinely not sure what I’ll do for work as an almost 50 year old when dentistry is all I’ve even done.

In theory, you get taught how to treat patients to avoid these issues. Correct posture etc. But in reality it doesn’t work. You’ll get patients saying they can’t lay back far and pretty much want to be treated sitting totally upright. You get taught to tell these people that in that case you either can’t treat them or you can only do your best but probably not well. Then the complaints start. Or you feel guilty because it’s an old lady who gets dizzy when laying flat. So you start bending round to treat them. And by the end of the day you’re in agony. I can no longer work full time already due to my back and back and repetitive strain injury.

And in regards to mental stress, the worrying about complaints is top of the list. For those owning and running a practice it’s ensuring being compliant with all ridiculous regulations as well.

And from just a hygienist point of view in day to day things, having to be happy all the time. I can’t just take myself off for 20 mins to decompress. I’m treating patients back to back every 30 minutes from 8.30 until 1 (unless someone cancels. And if they do I lose money) If I finish 5 minutes early with a patient they might complain. I have about 3-5 minutes between patients to write my notes and clean the surgery extensively and get my instruments scrubbed in the decontamination room. I can have the worst day ever but I need to be smiling. I’ve worked through miscarriages and after close family deaths. Only taking off essential time because I’m self employed and don’t get paid if I’m off.

For dentists it’s worse. If a patient cancels not only do they not get paid, they still need to pay all the support staff like nurse and receptionist plus pay the surgery running costs.

You see all the threads on here about how terrible it is when people go into their office with a cold. Well most of the time we have to. Not only do we not get paid if we’re off sick, we get patients complaining if their appointment is cancelled. And you often can’t just pluck a new appointment out of thin air. So you feel guilty that someone in pain is now having to wait longer.

There are good points to dentistry. But if I could go back in time I’d never choose this again. Neither would the two dentists at my job. I so regret my choices but at my age I feel I’m too old to try and do anything else now.

Lollygaggle · 12/01/2025 00:40

RosesAndHellebores · 12/01/2025 00:22

Interesting and off topic, but every dentist I've met has been charming and respectful and has spoken to me as their equal. It contrasts very much with my experience of Dr's.

Because dentistry is a very personal relationship that involves a great amount of trust .
In a short time a dentist has to build rapport with someone ,who is often anxious and in pain ,enough that they will consent and trust them to do microsurgery in a very intimate and sensitive part of the body .
Communication and empathy are as crucial a requirement as good clinical skills because virtually no other medical professional does routine surgery on conscious patients.

Lollygaggle · 12/01/2025 00:26

daisydaughter · 11/01/2025 23:55

I am intrigued about the physical and mental challenges of dentistry and why it is so stressful?

I don’t actually know any dentists, so am ignorant on this point. That is to say, I’m sure it has its pressures as do all professional jobs. But my dentist always seems so cheery and relaxed, I guess I don’t see the stressful side of things?

You are doing microsurgery on a conscious patient who is quite often stressed. Working on frightened stressed people has a physical effect on a dentist , it raises their blood pressure and cortisol,adrenaline levels as well.

You are doing microsurgery to tolerances of fractions of a millimetre in a confined space that requires you to contort your neck and back into unnatural positions for long periods of time , and maintain absolute concentration for extended periods whilst also directing your nurse and reassuring and informing the patient.

All of this has to be done to strict time schedules , even though it can be impossible to predict if things will not go to plan , or an emergency occurs. Running late puts immense stress on the team to catch up and additionally they are aware patients will complain if they are kept waiting.

Many people are frightened, stressed and anxious when they go to the dentist and often that results in misplaced anger, aggression towards the dental team .

You are more likely to be sued in the U.K. , as a dentist , than anywhere else in the world , so paperwork, notes , consent have to be tip top and even if you do nothing wrong a complaint can easily ruin your life and career.

Dentists in the U.K. are more highly regulated than anywhere else in the world , they are inspected by over 50 bodies. Of these the GDC is the most feared because even a trivial complaint with no basis can drag on for years before being resolved with multiple hearings , communications , loss of earnings and incredible stress.

Because most dentists are self employed they , like all self employed, get no sick pay , maternity pay etc so they have to make sure that every minute of the working day they are treating a patient because unless they are treating someone they are not earning money .

The physical contortions of working in unnatural positions for 8 plus hours a day mean neck and back problems are rife and the continuous disinfection of hands multiple times a day mean skin problems are rife . Neck and back are the most common reasons for early retirement.

Most dentists are perfectionists who want to do their best for patients and this type of driven personality is necessary to get through the arduous training , but it also means that they often place unrealistic expectations on themselves . The demands of the job also means many can be quite socially isolated as there is little time or energy for anything outside of work.

The financial pressures of being a small businessman start from the moment you qualify with over £80,000 of debt, student loans to pay off and needing to earn ever increasing amounts to pay registration , indemnity (malpractice insurance ) , locum insurance, ill health insurance and can often mean it is very difficult to pay for the postgraduate training you need in order to progress and increase your earnings.

Even if you do not own a practice you will be a small businessman , but owning a practice means you not only have the clinical stresses but all the stresses on top of running a business, employing staff , keeping on top of legislatory requirements and paperwork and keeping your head above water .

Finally , it has to be said , that in the U.K. there is an almost pathological level of mistrust , antipathy and ill will towards dentists that there is not in other countries ,alongside some very ill informed views on what the average dentist earns. Can you imagine being told several times a day that someone hates you ? (Nothing personal but I hate dentists). Can you imagine being told on a regular basis that someone is paying for your new car when you haven’t had a new car in 10 years ?

RosesAndHellebores · 12/01/2025 00:22

Interesting and off topic, but every dentist I've met has been charming and respectful and has spoken to me as their equal. It contrasts very much with my experience of Dr's.

clarrylove · 12/01/2025 00:17

Two of my cousins are dentists, practice owners. One find it to stressful and quit early on. The other has got horrendous back issues with the long hours and stopping over.

daisydaughter · 11/01/2025 23:55

I am intrigued about the physical and mental challenges of dentistry and why it is so stressful?

I don’t actually know any dentists, so am ignorant on this point. That is to say, I’m sure it has its pressures as do all professional jobs. But my dentist always seems so cheery and relaxed, I guess I don’t see the stressful side of things?

Lollygaggle · 11/01/2025 23:48

Very few dentists earn a salary as the vast majority are self employed .

You will graduate with a minimum of £80,000 debt after five years and then will do a further years training in practice .

78% of dentists never own a practice they work in a practice and pay 50% to 70% of their earnings to the practice .

They then pay for their indemnity insurance , sickness insurance , locum insurance , CPD (training costs) , and personal equipment on top of this. The student loan and other loans from studying will also take a sizeable chunk off your earnings.

Dentists earnings are dependent on age , newly qualified dentists earn less than more experienced colleagues as they cannot work as fast and have not the additional skills learned on expensive postgraduate courses , but as you hit your 50s your earning power goes down as the physical and mental challenges of the job start to hit and you start to slow down as it’s impossible to keep up the pace of working of a younger dentist.

where you work makes a difference , working in a high needs area on a mostly NHS contract you will earn less than working in an affluent area doing cosmetic type dentistry . Working in Scotland ,Wales or Northern Ireland you will earn less then in England .

So in other words the annual earnings , before tax , for a dentist can typically range from £35,000 pa to £100,000 pa and for practice owners a bit beyond this .

However it is a very hard,stressful way to earn a living and is not sustainable unless you have a passion for it. Too many dentists burn out and leave the profession a trend that is happening earlier in dentists careers because of the highly regulated and litigious atmosphere practicing in the U.K. Unfortunately too many dentists commit suicide for those reasons.

It also takes its toll on back , skin , neck, hands and physical problems cause many to retire early.

There are far easier ways to earn good money if you are the calibre of person who has the academic and personal skills the highly competitive entrance for dental school requires.

Goodafternoonmillie · 11/01/2025 22:26

Search on indeed for dentist jobs. In my area it’s around £100K average.
also depends on how much NHS/private work they do.

Heatherjayne1972 · 11/01/2025 22:20

Depending on age experience location and circumstances but you’d be looking at earning £60k +. At least prob lots more
but
it’s a really hard job with a LOT of responsibility. and it doesn’t end at 5.30pm when you leave there’s paperwork and out of hours calls and if you own the business there’s a ton of legislation.
There are many expectations placed on you from lots of angles
and it’s one of the very highly stressed jobs where suicide rates are high and the chance of being sued is astronomical

you have to really be committed

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