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DS spends all his time with GF and she doesn’t speak to us

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DinnerOfKings · 11/01/2025 14:39

Hoping for some advice …… DS-17 has adhd and struggled a great deal at school. Always had mates and always out and about. But he really struggled with school and was suspended many times. We supported him throughout and actually developed a very strong relationship ( me and DH who is his dad). We have always been a close family and very present in their lives ( sports day, lifts, sleepovers, watching films together, lovely holidays).

DS now at college ( think BTEC physical work - don’t want to be too outing) and made new mates and much happier in the college environment. During half term he went to a party and met a girl. He’s had a few GF before, but nothing serious. He instantly felt a connection with this girl and started spending all his time with her.

Now I know this is all normal etc but the issue is that she is apparently very shy. She literally won’t say 2 words to any of us…. I’ve tried talking to her, leaving her be, offering her food etc, talking to my son and not asking ger anything. But she just stands there looking angry …. she literally just says “good” or “no” or “yes”. No hello how you - no - thank you for having me.

DH and I have always got on with all our kids friends and have always had an open house policy. Quite often they have had big gatherings, multiple friends round and we’ve always talked and got on with every single one of them. DS now spends every night with this girl. He only sees his mates really with her and she barely talks to them. When she’s in son’s room, just the two of them she’s laughing and joking and then……. Nothing.

Im trying so hard not to react as I know she’s 16.5 and evidently shy. But - and I can’t really describe it - it creates a weird atmosphere in the house. It’s like a total stranger who barely acknowledges my existence is sleeping under my roof. I’ve talked to my son and explained that he could convey to her how important his family is, and try to encourage her to make more effort…. She is an apprentice so presumably has to talk in the workplace.

I’ve explained to DS that it’s quite limiting as she can’t / won’t join us for meals, going to the pub etc and the consequence is we hardly see him as he wants to be with her.

I think it’s hard for me as I feel like we were so close and now he’s with someone who just isn’t interested. For reference she doesn’t look meek when she’s in our company she just looks very cross at him …… one side of me thinks - it will all come out in the wash, she is very shy, and this is his way of detaching as all teens are meant to and either she will get better or they will split up. Other side of me thinks she might be trying to isolate him from friends and family.

Pls be kind but advice or experience gratefully received ….. I know there isn’t physically anything I can actually do but it’s really unpleasant either never seeing him or him always being with her and this weird atmosphere

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WhydontyouMove · 11/01/2025 17:03

This girls mh is not the ops responsibility. Her responsibility lies with her own self and other children. If this girl is struggling so much it’s best for everyone if she sees her boyfriend somewhere else.

DinnerOfKings · 11/01/2025 17:01

@Eaglemom and @SMiRAliser rest assured I have heard what you have said. This is exactly why I posted because on the surface it does appear rude but I instinctively knew it was likely there was something else underneath it …… I have never for a second not been kind. It’s not in my nature…. I do however have to balance what is best for my son with his ND and my other children with ND. It’s not about it stressing me out, it makes the others feel anxious as they struggle to “read” her or understand it

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TheOracleatDelphi · 11/01/2025 17:01

Wheresmybrianat · 11/01/2025 15:22

My son’s girlfriend was very much like this, timid and wouldn't say boo to a goose. I found it hard to begin with, but I know she is completely different when they are alone in his room; I would often hear them laugh and chat together. They are relaxed in each other’s company, and I am happy with that.

As we have gotten to know her, she has begun to open up more. Pressurising them to be more sociable would not have helped. Some people struggle when they meet new people; we aren't all social butterflies. I’m sure it will become more manageable, and it will be important to your son that you are open and welcoming to her.

I agree with this! My DS and gf the same... you can't force it! I was similar at that age!

ACatNamedRobin · 11/01/2025 17:00

Relaxaholic · 11/01/2025 16:29

What if you tried talking to her? You could ask her to have a cup of tea with you when she comes in, and then ask her if everything this is ok, and let you know that it’s important for her to say hello when she is visiting and join in for meals. She is a child, she is acting like a child and perhaps the best approach is to explain this to her like she is a child. I expect she would hate the confrontation, but maybe it would give her something to think about. It would need to be done in a gentle but really clear way.

This OP.

SheridansPortSalut · 11/01/2025 16:59

She's still a child and she clearly has her own issues. Try to let it go. The more you dwell on it the more of an issue it will become. As far as possible, just act as normal around her.

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 11/01/2025 16:59

No i don't but I would rather not take the risk of presuming g she's rude as most are on here and making her condition worse. Not hard to understand is it?

My god would you just stop?

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:58

Nanny0gg · 11/01/2025 16:57

But none of us know either way really, do we?

We haven't met her. We haven't seen her in the OP's home. We're all just going on what we've read

You may be right, but you don't KNOW

No i don't but I would rather not take the risk of presuming g she's rude as most are on here and making her condition worse. Not hard to understand is it?

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:57

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Nanny0gg · 11/01/2025 16:57

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:35

Awful, judgemental, ill-informed and presumptuous. Please as I've said already on this thread, educate yourself and read up.on selective mutism

But none of us know either way really, do we?

We haven't met her. We haven't seen her in the OP's home. We're all just going on what we've read

You may be right, but you don't KNOW

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:55

oakleaffy · 11/01/2025 16:48

No vet would dream of diagnosing an animal without seeing it, but on here every man and his dog mentions these syndromes.

Someone CAN just be rude and antisocial - they don’t need to have a syndrome to hang it on.

I hope no child of yours ever has an "invisible" condition that even when explained to.others they choose to ignore because obviously they know best.I hope you never have to worry about your child being treated like shit because people dont want to know and would rather sneer at others difficulties and feel superior. Total lack of empathy and unwillingness to consider people may have very good reasons for how they are.
Again, not diagnosing but it all sounds extremely likely that selective mutism could be the issue here and how sad if this is the response of grown adults she comes into contact with.

DinnerOfKings · 11/01/2025 16:55

@PretendToBeToastWithMe thank you ……this makes sense as ASC presents very differently person to person. Two of my children have ADHD but to the outside are very very different. I hadn’t considered the idea that it would manifest differently to a known presentation ……

I do feel like there is something more than rudeness - my son is the chattiest person ever but he’s no push over, so I would be surprised if he picked someone unkind. However with ADHD and suspected ASC I always have to be mindful of his individual vulnerabilities. No matter how old any of my children are it’s my job always to use my wisdom to be able to highlight things to them that, being younger than me they might not have considered…. I also know it’s my job as the adult to consider all aspects and causes for GF behaviour not just automatically assume rudeness

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JustCrow · 11/01/2025 16:53

I was PAINFULLY shy and self conscious at the age but I was also aware that manners are important so would always say hello and goodbye and thank you for having me etc nicely. Even though I might feel myself go red during the interaction, and then be haunted for a week afterwards by how stupid I sounded when I said hello 😳

I would not be made to feel uncomfortable in my own house. If you say happy Xmas etc and she doesn’t reply, I’d have repeated it “assuming she didn’t hear me”. Sod that.

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UltraHorse · 11/01/2025 16:52

It's. Sad to me that a young girl is being judged for being shy I've struggled all my life with low social confidence as a result of domineering parents and no close relationship with a parent She's still young your son likes her she p robably feels safe with him

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:51

oakleaffy · 11/01/2025 16:48

No vet would dream of diagnosing an animal without seeing it, but on here every man and his dog mentions these syndromes.

Someone CAN just be rude and antisocial - they don’t need to have a syndrome to hang it on.

If someone came on here saying they are short of breath, have a temperature, are coughing up.mucky phlegm I'm sure you'd have no problem with the replies saying it's sounds very like this could be a chest infection in which case go to the doctor.
Nobody would be saying they're just attention seeking to cause an atmosphere.
Funny how different it is when it comes to.mental health.

SMiRAliser · 11/01/2025 16:50

WhydontyouMove · 11/01/2025 16:41

Give it a rest Eaglemom. It’s really not ok to armchair diagnose someone you’ve never met.

Actually SM is very easy to recognize.

It's when a person fully capable of speech is unable to speak in a particular situation or with particular people. It has to be an established pattern and last more than a month.

Given that OP 's son says his gf is "shy", this awkwardness is obviously established. Given that OP can hear her speaking fully and freely in her son's room, she is clearly capable of speech. And given that OP's son is ND it's likely he has been drawn to another ND person.

It's much more likely to be SM than that she is, at age 17, just a rude nasty cow being deliberately rude for unclear reasons to her boyfriend's mother, who you would think would be a key person to try to get on side.

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:49

WhydontyouMove · 11/01/2025 16:41

Give it a rest Eaglemom. It’s really not ok to armchair diagnose someone you’ve never met.

Not diagnosing but selective mutism.has literally been described here. Even if its just a chance that's what it is, why risk being that person who makes things a hundred times worse for someone with a mental health disorder that they have no control over?
I'd it really so hard to choose the kindest route?

oakleaffy · 11/01/2025 16:48

WhydontyouMove · 11/01/2025 16:41

Give it a rest Eaglemom. It’s really not ok to armchair diagnose someone you’ve never met.

No vet would dream of diagnosing an animal without seeing it, but on here every man and his dog mentions these syndromes.

Someone CAN just be rude and antisocial - they don’t need to have a syndrome to hang it on.

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:46

LuckySantangelo35 · 11/01/2025 16:44

@DinnerOfKings

its actually very simple OP, your son needs to tell her to stop being so rude to you!! End of.

oh and you’re well within your rights to limit her visits. Even if she was being really nice you would be. It’s your house after all .

Honestly the very worst advice you could give. Do not do this OP.

SMiRAliser · 11/01/2025 16:45

DinnerOfKings · 11/01/2025 16:26

@Mrsdyna yes I really do think age is at play too ….. I’m not concerned so much that she doesnt talk to me ….. obviously I would prefer that but more I want to keep comms open with my son so if it is more about control I can support him. I dont want to alienate her or him. Kindness is my preferred choice but I am ND too and I hate how it changes the atmosphere in my home

It needs not change the atmosphere. If you decide it is that she is unable to speak more to you at present, for whatever reason, that will change the way you interpret the silence.

The people who "get it" can often become safe people relatively quickly - my son's career it took probably 3-4 months before he could speak to the carer. The crucial thing is not to communicate disapproval during this period.

LuckySantangelo35 · 11/01/2025 16:44

@DinnerOfKings

its actually very simple OP, your son needs to tell her to stop being so rude to you!! End of.

oh and you’re well within your rights to limit her visits. Even if she was being really nice you would be. It’s your house after all .

Eaglemom · 11/01/2025 16:44

How on earth are people dismissing a proven, recognised and classified mental health condition? There are specialist professionals dedicated to this disorder. What makes any of you think you have the knowledge and expertise to decide what condition exists or not and which is worthy of empathy and what isn't? Some absolutely disgusting people on here.

PretendToBeToastWithMe · 11/01/2025 16:44

selectivemutism.org.uk

SM is similar to many other conditions in that everyone with SM is an individual and it can look very different from person to person, so because you know one person with SM does not mean you can compare them to this young person and assume they do or don’t have the same condition. Obviously you can’t be sure but it does seem that much of what you are describing is consistent with how SM can present so it
could be.

Has she spoken to your son about it? Maybe you can ask him if she’d like to have a conversation with him about how she is feeling and what might make her feel more comfortable while she’s in your home so that he can let you know? She may be willing and able to convey what is going on (through him) if this is presented as an opportunity to be better understood and supported. She probably doesn’t want to be seen as rude.

I imagine for young people at this age being around the family of your boyfriend/girlfriend feels very high pressure, so it can’t really be compared to being around friends or even in a workplace (depending on the environment). If she does have SM it would not be surprising at all that she might be able to talk and socialise easily in other places and not in your home — that is literally what SM is.

DinnerOfKings · 11/01/2025 16:41

@MsCactus thank you ! ! I think you have hit the nail on the head with your post …… he is my eldest and because of all his issues we were very close when he was 15-17. We have a totally open communication style and I don’t do rules as such, so not how some people choose to parent. I am so aware that our kids are our children for life and when he struggled at school I realised I wouldn’t make decisions ( like grounding etc) that would just cause more issues down the line . He needed to know we were on his team …… so I think you are right it is the pulling away and inevitable detaching that is upsetting. Having a non chatty GF just makes it more apparent

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WhydontyouMove · 11/01/2025 16:41

Give it a rest Eaglemom. It’s really not ok to armchair diagnose someone you’ve never met.

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