To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

How do you strip a British Citizen of their Citizen ship please?

@istheheatingonyet By being an evil, cynical and populist Home Secretary with no consideration for a groomed child; and there being some tenuous hint of an alternative citizenship they could obtain. And she was also born British, not naturalised. It is actually inexcusable.

How do you strip a British Citizen of their Citizen ship please?

I'm all ears.

I don't think you get to swap Shamima for Abdul , that's not how it works.

Most of them were born in Britain though. I don’t care. If Shamima Beghums citizenship can be stripped then so can there’s. They are far more of a danger to people in this country imo than she is

It's very, very hard for some people. Foreign criminals are deported where possible in Britain. Why start a thread about it?

Deport foreign criminals! We already do...

No. About the ones of them who aren't. As I would expect British criminals to be deported back to Britain. Good grief. How hard is it for some people?

There only people mentioning skin colour are those who are shouting racism. It's not about skin colour. Read the thread again, carefully, paying attention to your reading comprehension. This is one reason why proper, sensible discussions can never be had.

"Send them home" about largely British people?

I must have missed the post that said that, I’m sure you must have reported it though

When did Mumsnet turn into the Daily Mail? I'd expect this sort of 'brown people are all evil rapists' there, but I thought Mumsnet was better than that. Obviously not.

I agree we’ll see strain around a convention that was created at a different time

All these political shifts we’re seeing are due to inability to deal with huge change in migration and those profiting from that

The US might be some sort of trigger for change

The 1951 Refugee Convention is a product of a different world, and should be replaced with something that acknowledges the massively different patterns of migration that exist 70 years later.

Jailing someone until they can be deported (in the case of Afghanistan, etc) is also completely within our power.

It's nonsensical the way we completely disempower ourselves through all these bits of "international law" that will never be enforced. There is no way the US for example is going to set a precedent of going to war or imposing economic sanctions on an ally because they were too mean to rapist refugees. There just isn't. These are just words on paper and we increasingly live in a world where people see them as such.

I'm sorry, I don't know about this particular case.

I am not responsible for the law, honest.

The UK has, however, been a signatory to the Refugee Convention since it was created in 1951, and under that it's not possible to return someone with a "well-founded fear of persecution" unless he is excluded from the Convention because of a "serious non-political crime".

Under Article 3 of the ECHR there is no exclusion; the UK cannot send someone to a country where there is a "real risk" of inhumane and degrading treatment.

In practical terms, too, it's going to be very difficult to send someone to (for example) Afghanistan.

Is he waiting for a decision on asylum?

Who cares if he's in fear of persecution. Actions have consequences and he should have thought about those before he raped.

I believe that sentences should be served in the country where the crime took place, with deportation and a ban on returning following as soon as they finish their sentence.

I don't think that people with an non-UK nationality should be deported for littering, but it should be dependent on the type of crime and/or the lenght of time served.

This is about protecting children, I realise that there are commentators online using it for race matters, and they don't care about the kids at all, but children were raped and abused, and the safeguarding of children needs to be centred. If an inquiry finds that the police and social services didn't do enough to protect these kids, then new proceduers can be put in place. I just don't understand why first the Tories, and now Labour, are refusing to carry out an inquiry.

It doesn't matter whether the abusers were white or brown, all abusers acting as part of these networks need to face lengthy sentences, and police and agencies need to be aware that these crimes happen, and actively work to protect these kids. It's a bonus that you can deport non-national criminals, home grown you're stuck with.

I'm an EU national, and if I committed a serious crime, I think it would be reasonable for the UK to deport me.

Would it not make for more integration because nobody would misbehave? There are still Britons imprisoned for not having to licences btw - system is pretty two tier for women offenders.

foreign criminals should be deported. This should not be controversial. Nobody is forced to rape someone. This country is a joke.

It does make a number of practical and legal differences.

This is such a legalistic technicality - "he won't get asylum but he'll still get to stay". Come on.

That's certainly not about one particular case. If any "foreign criminal" has a well-founded fear of persecution in the country to which he would be deported then he won't be deported. He's unlikely to be granted status as an asylum seeker, though, it's more probable he'll get a series of short-term periods of leave to remain in the UK.

It was in the Times today that a rapist (not part of a grooming gang) can’t be deported because he’s bisexual and will face persecution in his home country.

WTAF? I do not give a fuck about the human rights of rapists. If you are LGB and that means you will face persecution in your home country, perhaps don’t rape innocent women in Britain.

it’s a fucking joke. And the lawyers defending and protecting this scum should be ashamed.

If any of them cared one jot about poor girls in Northern towns being abused they would have said something or done something.

They are playing people and stirring up WW3

I'm assuming that they are making political capital from abuse.