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To send them home? (trigger warning grooming gangs)

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DarkAndConfusingTimes · 11/01/2025 13:43

The Rape and Grooming scandal is blowing up on twitter/social media and the extent of the scandal is actually mind boggling. Apparently up to 250,000 girls may have been affected 😱

This initially shocked me but when I thought of it, although I’m based in a rural area I know of two girls who have been caught up in it - one of whom in my class at school was raped in a park aged around thirteen and another family friends daughter found naked in a room with a group of adult men at the age of 14 and was blamed for leading them all on. Those living in towns/cities must see so much more of this?!

I’ve also heard today that Pakistan is willing to take back criminals convicted in the Uk of these crimes (UK-Pakistan Prisoner treaty agreement) and has been for a number of years but we’re not sending them back. I know not all perpetrators are Pakistani and not all Pakistani men are capable of such evil (and I work with plenty of decent Pakistani men), but of those who are convicted and born there why on earth are they still here in the UK if we can remove them as a danger from our society and their home country is willing to take them?

In have two daughters and I’m honestly terrified for their future given this significant threat to young girls in this country. It seems like no one cares enough to rock the boat.

YABU - No they should remain here and we should deal with it
YANBU - They should be sent back

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Animatic · 11/01/2025 15:29

multicolouredbunting · 11/01/2025 14:21

Absolutely 100% agree with sending all foreign nationals who commit a crime back to their country of origin. (Over 10,000 in UK prisons from gov statistics)

And every UK national is to come back and serve their time here. Including Begum. It's quite hard to find numbers for how many UK prisoners abroad, but gov publications numbers show under 1500 are being supported by a charity in UK.

If that's roughly the number then it's a win win. As it would free up spaces in our prisons also.

I'm not sure what the argument against it is?

Agree, but you can't guarantee these peopl won't be released the moment they land back in their countries of origin.

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:29

Efacsen · 11/01/2025 15:27

So why aren't you calling for Cornish people to do the same?

Sure. Add them to the list.

Locutus2000 · 11/01/2025 15:29

Mrsdyna · 11/01/2025 15:27

Why do so many posters on here want to defend these men?

Nobody is defending the vile specimens of humanity who perpetrated unimaginable violations upon so many vulnerable children.

They are pointing out this thread is suggesting that a vast number of Pakistani immigrants are involved in said scandal, and it's not true.

JudgeJ · 11/01/2025 15:28

Garedenhelp · 11/01/2025 13:51

The girls in Pakistan need protection too.

They're in enough danger already by living there without the added burden of others being dumped.

Errors · 11/01/2025 15:28

Adamante · 11/01/2025 13:52

Couldn’t agree more. Any migrant convicted of such crimes should be returned to country or origin as a standard part of their sentence. I cannot comprehend why this is even controversial.

Agreed. I care not a jot what country they came from, what religion they have (if any) or the colour of their skin.
For the people saying ‘where do we send British born rapists to?’
This is an illogical argument. They obviously get imprisoned here.

Mrsdyna · 11/01/2025 15:27

Locutus2000 · 11/01/2025 15:26

I don't like where society is heading right now. The backlash to being 'woke' is really biting. As if kindness is a bad thing.

It's not kindness to defend child rapists.

MyrtleLion · 11/01/2025 15:27

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Tony Blair/Gordon Brown as far back as the early 2000’s informed the police forces across the country that the children found with these men were to be ignored, so that is why we don’t have accurate statistics on this.

And you've got evidence to prove this?

Please link to it so we can see if that is the case.

Because this report does have data. Important data that states that over 80% of child sex abuse perpetrators are white.

And that a child sex abuser is more likely to be a parent or other family member than a gang.

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

Stop scaremongering.

Efacsen · 11/01/2025 15:27

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:25

Any culturally specific behaviour that emerges that is harmful needs to be addressed by the culture involved.

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So why aren't you calling for Cornish people to do the same?

travellinglighter · 11/01/2025 15:27

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So you do have evidence that Tony Blair and Gordon Brown said this or are you just unbelievably credulous? You do realise that the neither the Prime Minister or the Chancellor cannot order the police not to investigate a reported crime?

Mrsdyna · 11/01/2025 15:27

Why do so many posters on here want to defend these men?

Locutus2000 · 11/01/2025 15:26

PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 15:23

The only intentional thing going on in this thread and other threads like it is the spreading of hate against Muslim people.

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I don't like where society is heading right now. The backlash to being 'woke' is really biting. As if kindness is a bad thing.

TicklishReader · 11/01/2025 15:26

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The majority of grooming gangs in the UK are white men.

ZestyLemonBiscuit · 11/01/2025 15:25

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:17

I’m talking about individuals denouncing this sick behaviour from their fellow Muslims.

Do you expect all individual Christians to denounce all the Catholic Church’s grommers and abusers daily? And the KKK… they claim to be Christian.

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:25

Efacsen · 11/01/2025 15:23

Do you expect the same from other communities where similar crimes have been commited eg Cornwall, Kent etc?

Or just Muslim/British-Pakistani communities?

Any culturally specific behaviour that emerges that is harmful needs to be addressed by the culture involved.

PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 15:25

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Thank you for answering my question without resorting to personal attacks. Have a fabulous day.

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:24

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PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 15:23

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:16

I’m talking specifically about the grooming gangs.

Not going to engage with the whataboutery. It is derailing and I’m beginning to think it is intentional.

The only intentional thing going on in this thread and other threads like it is the spreading of hate against Muslim people.

Efacsen · 11/01/2025 15:23

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:17

I’m talking about individuals denouncing this sick behaviour from their fellow Muslims.

Do you expect the same from other communities where similar crimes have been commited eg Cornwall, Kent etc?

Or just Muslim/British-Pakistani communities?

firef1y · 11/01/2025 15:22

Adamante · 11/01/2025 13:52

Couldn’t agree more. Any migrant convicted of such crimes should be returned to country or origin as a standard part of their sentence. I cannot comprehend why this is even controversial.

It's not controversial, in fact it's actually what happens, after they've served their sentence.

Locutus2000 · 11/01/2025 15:22

DarkAndConfusingTimes · 11/01/2025 14:59

That’s fine, I have nothing in my eyes to be worried about regarding the HQ. Look at the poll - it’s overwhelmingly in my favour?

Issues like this need debate, not silencing.

I can only assume your poll results (congratulations?) are because of people agreeing that immigrants associated with thee grooming scandal should be deported. I agree completely.

The problem remains that there generally aren't any.

TicklishReader · 11/01/2025 15:21

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:17

I’m talking about individuals denouncing this sick behaviour from their fellow Muslims.

Do you know any Muslims? Of course they denounce it!

Would you like someone to come to your door and say "How terrible"?

BallerinaRadio · 11/01/2025 15:20

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:17

I’m talking about individuals denouncing this sick behaviour from their fellow Muslims.

Why should a Muslim who is appalled by the actions of another Muslim have to apologise or denounce their behaviour just because they are also a Muslim?

What's a suitable denouncement that would appease you? A Facebook post? A daily Facebook post? Weekly? Should they take out a half page advert in the local newspaper? Should all white men have done the same about Jimmy Savile?

Such nonsense.

ZestyLemonBiscuit · 11/01/2025 15:20

This is a terrifying Twitter thread on paedophiles and grooming

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1877077909199864068?

Always wary of misinformation on there now. However, the silence on this from the usual suspects shows a lot about what they really care about.

If anyone happened to catch the journalist on the News Agents podcast who covered the original trials and exposé, he was incredibly compelling in his account of the initial difficulties covering grooming gangs.

The recent move by the opposition to ruin the latest bill to protect children is incredibly shameful. I wonder if it is to distract for the problems in their own community?

x.com

https://x.com/ShaykhSulaiman/status/1877077909199864068

PoodleFaceAche · 11/01/2025 15:20

It's the misogynistic white policemen that are the real problem here.

PandoraSox · 11/01/2025 15:20

WaryPeer · 11/01/2025 15:17

I’m talking about individuals denouncing this sick behaviour from their fellow Muslims.

Are you asking the same of Christians?