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President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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Coolasfeck · 11/01/2025 08:14

If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

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ExtraOnions · 11/01/2025 10:44

…Because like all of this “type” they:

  1. need to create a common enemy, as it helps to galvanise their support (see Farage)
  2. say outlandish things, that will never happen to distract the world away from the terrible things / incompetence there are actually doing. (see Boris Johnson)
  3. Rich White Men, playing games with peoples lives entertains them (see any Roman Emporer)

It will all come crashing down at some point

X72 · 11/01/2025 10:44

Trump will tire of Musk eventually. I don't really think Musk counts for much other than in the present time. Trump will have a close security of core Whitehouse and national security advisers who hone his decisions.

Christmassoxs · 11/01/2025 10:41

It seems like Musk will take on the roll of president this month. He seems to be the mouth piece of the Orange One.

BIossomtoes · 11/01/2025 10:39

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/01/2025 10:35

Blimey, that’s some statement.

Let’s hope the instability arrives at your door first.

Absolutely. Appalling.

YankTank · 11/01/2025 10:37

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/01/2025 10:35

Blimey, that’s some statement.

Let’s hope the instability arrives at your door first.

Agreed.

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 11/01/2025 10:35

B0xes · 11/01/2025 09:48

Ah OK. I wasn't sure of the connection.

I welcome any destabilising of the UK, it is hostile to large swathes of its population, corrupt and profoundly dysfunctional. Something needs to change. I think the UK does more self harm than any foreign actors.

Blimey, that’s some statement.

Let’s hope the instability arrives at your door first.

YankTank · 11/01/2025 10:35

Podcastqueen · 11/01/2025 10:21

The Democrats funded and there were more wars during their time in office. Employment was at an all time high under Trump. More billionaires funded the Democrats campaign. But that’s okay because “Trump”.

What’s your definition of “the right”?
Not keen on democracy?

Unemployment was actually lower under Biden.

helpfulperson · 11/01/2025 10:31

Because he wants all other countries to become a state of the United States. First Canada and Greenland. Where next?

YankTank · 11/01/2025 10:27

B0xes · 11/01/2025 09:48

Ah OK. I wasn't sure of the connection.

I welcome any destabilising of the UK, it is hostile to large swathes of its population, corrupt and profoundly dysfunctional. Something needs to change. I think the UK does more self harm than any foreign actors.

Be careful what you wish for…”I welcome any destabilising of the UK” could end very badly.

Blowing shit up never ends well.

Your comment about not knowing about Greenland makes me think you haven’t taken on board much about current events and the world around us. Perhaps study some history before suggesting that we destabilise the country, eh?

YankTank · 11/01/2025 10:24

Simonjt · 11/01/2025 08:16

Rich white man syndrome, they’re taught from birth they have a right to do whatever they want.

Especially those who are convicted of 34 felonies for business fraud, and get ZERO punishment—no probation, no community service, no fine, no jail time. NOTHING. I can’t think of anyone else convicted by a jury of their peers (x34, nonetheless!) who gets to walk away, unscathed.

Podcastqueen · 11/01/2025 10:21

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 09:55

American conservatives will doom the world to a state of perpetual war over resources and territory but Western Europe is also following in their footsteps.

I don’t like to talk up the UK as that kind of rhetoric comes dangerously close to xenophobic nationalism but in this case we seem to be one of the few nations bucking the trend of slipping to the right.

The Democrats funded and there were more wars during their time in office. Employment was at an all time high under Trump. More billionaires funded the Democrats campaign. But that’s okay because “Trump”.

What’s your definition of “the right”?
Not keen on democracy?

Dolamroth · 11/01/2025 10:21

I think the plan is to get friendly politicians into power in order to do away with regulation to open a better market in Europe for American businesses.

Workers rights, market regulations, food standards, licensing all get in their way.

They are always motivated by profit. That's their main belief over and above any kind of political ideology.

AnxiousRose · 11/01/2025 10:15

He is putting America first. And does not care about diplomacy.

CortieTat · 11/01/2025 10:15

I don’t follow what Trump says but Europe has been destabilising itself for years now. The writing was on the wall already before the recession in 2008. Rolling out the common currency was at least one of the triggers, taking idiotic measures aimed at dismantling energy security, such as national votes on nuclear power (as Italy did) was another nail in the coffin; selling out assets, knowledge and IP to China for easy cash at every opportunity could be another example - I am in Sweden and the majority of our large employers have been Chinese for years.

I don’t understand the complaints about potential tariffs either, the European Single Market has been quite hostile to many products from the outside for years… I still buy things from Britain after Brexit and the duties are ridiculous (3.5% over a threshold of 100 or so euro - it might be fine for an individual consumer but it’s significant for businesses).

If Trump is highlighting these issues he’s only talking about things that are already there. Various countries have been eyeing Greenland which is part of the European Union via Denmark for years, the only difference is that Russia doesn’t shout about this.

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:13

EasternStandard · 11/01/2025 10:06

I doubt we’ll avoid it given shifts already

Three major parties might give distorted results though compared with PR

Well what can do to stop this then? These megalomaniacs have whipped the working class all over the west into a frenzy and it scares me to think of the future when emotions and prejudice are the order of governance.

BananaNirvana · 11/01/2025 10:11

Frowningprovidence · 11/01/2025 09:37

I understand why getting Greenland is in thier national interest

I dont quite get destabilising europe and regime change here though.

Because if Musk can get Reform into power he becomes the de facto leader of the UK here too - they’re so in thrall of him and his money and power, he can pull their strings to do whatever he wants.

hattie43 · 11/01/2025 10:11

I think it's because he ( and musk ) thinks western liberalisation is destroying our known culture so he's putting pressure on to reverse it .

Abhannmor · 11/01/2025 10:10

It's because he thinks he can get away with it. He's a lot more wary of China and North Korea. And seems to be a Putin fanboy.

I think he might be mistaken , especially in the case of France which has its own nuclear deterrent or ' force de frappe'. Marine le Pen's vote will suffer if the French people suspect Musk / Trump are pulling her strings.

Echobelly · 11/01/2025 10:10

Entitlement and pettiness really. Men like Trump or Musk are egotistical children who expect everyone to kowtow to them, don't like the slightest pushback from anyone and they don't care what the consequences are on everyone else.

People with that much money are effectively paying every day to avoid interacting with human beings other than those serving them, it's not surprising they don't see or care about anything outside of their sphere.

Radyward · 11/01/2025 10:09

It's America first Stupid
I'd like the UK Govt to put the interests of its citizens first.

X72 · 11/01/2025 10:08

BIossomtoes · 11/01/2025 10:03

Got it in one. It’s megalomania, pure and simple.

A character trait that is not limited to white skin though, as history shows us.

EasternStandard · 11/01/2025 10:06

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 09:55

American conservatives will doom the world to a state of perpetual war over resources and territory but Western Europe is also following in their footsteps.

I don’t like to talk up the UK as that kind of rhetoric comes dangerously close to xenophobic nationalism but in this case we seem to be one of the few nations bucking the trend of slipping to the right.

I doubt we’ll avoid it given shifts already

Three major parties might give distorted results though compared with PR

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:04

Well we do give money in relief aid. Not just the government, altruistic citizens do too. We’ve also given back a few stolen territories, and some like Gibraltar and the Falklands I can see being handed back in the next 10 years too.

BIossomtoes · 11/01/2025 10:03

Simonjt · 11/01/2025 08:16

Rich white man syndrome, they’re taught from birth they have a right to do whatever they want.

Got it in one. It’s megalomania, pure and simple.

X72 · 11/01/2025 10:02

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 09:58

We’ve been tough in the past, and look at what that did to the world. I’m glad that we can now look to what we can do for other countries and not what we can take from them.

When in your view did the UK start giving more back to the world than taking?