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President Trump: Why is his incoming administration desperate to destroy Europe with political and economic turmoil?

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Coolasfeck · 11/01/2025 08:14

If it were China or Islamic State behaving in a way Trump and Musk are regarding Greenland, Canada, threats of regime change in the UK and essentially aggressively trying to destabilize every European ‘ally’, we’d be calling in Ambassadors, freezing assets etc.

They haven’t even been sworn in yet and are causing chaos and stress.

The way they are behaving you’d think they wanted armed conflict with all their allies.

Although I’m aware Trumps voters don’t care what we think of them, I don’t think many of the rest of the world will ever forgive them for what they’ve inflicted on the rest of us. Yes give into stupidity and feel good chanting four word slogans, but contain it within your own borders, don’t harm the rest of the world with it.

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B0xes · 11/01/2025 12:13

ExtraOnions · 11/01/2025 11:50

The Muslim Population of the UK is 6%, a majority of which are not Islamists.

How in earth, within 30 years, could anyone believe that this could happen ?

If you look at the pressures on Jess Phillips to ensure that she doesn't do her job properly because of the demographics of her constituency, then recognise that's not the only constituency with similar pressures. Then consider the left and their disposition in favour of Islam and imagine they might form a coalition. That's one scenario. This was the situation imagined by French author Michel Houellebecq in Subbmission, it is an interesting synopsis. Interestingly, by astonishing coincidence, it was published on the day on the Charlie Hebdo attack. I'm not suggesting I believe this will happen. I've just always been interested in fringe perspectives, from wherever.

B0xes · 11/01/2025 12:07

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 11:48

Because I am interested in where this kind of information comes from and the type of sites favoured by someone who openly welcomes the UK being destabilised.

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Can you not find these yourself? There is a lot out there.

Gone12 · 11/01/2025 12:00

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:45

Why are you asking? Because you think it doesn't exist?

Why not just share the link?

BIossomtoes · 11/01/2025 11:54

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:31

I read an article the other day saying that within 20 years the UK will become an armed Islamic state and that the US has a duty to act now to prevent it.

Oh I’d really like to read that. Can you give me a link, please?

ExtraOnions · 11/01/2025 11:50

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:31

I read an article the other day saying that within 20 years the UK will become an armed Islamic state and that the US has a duty to act now to prevent it.

The Muslim Population of the UK is 6%, a majority of which are not Islamists.

How in earth, within 30 years, could anyone believe that this could happen ?

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 11:48

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:45

Why are you asking? Because you think it doesn't exist?

Because I am interested in where this kind of information comes from and the type of sites favoured by someone who openly welcomes the UK being destabilised.

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:45

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 11:44

And where did you read this interesting article?

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Why are you asking? Because you think it doesn't exist?

ilovesooty · 11/01/2025 11:44

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:31

I read an article the other day saying that within 20 years the UK will become an armed Islamic state and that the US has a duty to act now to prevent it.

And where did you read this interesting article?

PiggyPigalle · 11/01/2025 11:39

Simonjt · 11/01/2025 08:16

Rich white man syndrome, they’re taught from birth they have a right to do whatever they want.

OFGS. Look around the World at dictators then say it's "Rich White man syndrome."

CortieTat · 11/01/2025 11:32

Kendodd · 11/01/2025 11:00

Greenland is not in the EU.

It’s an overseas territory of the EU. Greenlanders have EU citizenship. They voted out in the 1980s but they are definitely more in the EU having free movement, citizenship and receiving EU funding than the UK is after Brexit.

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:31

Lovelysummerdays · 11/01/2025 11:02

Well after we are liberated from our fiendish government I’m sure we can become a U.S. outpost. I suspect Australia and New Zealand might be handy too.

I read an article the other day saying that within 20 years the UK will become an armed Islamic state and that the US has a duty to act now to prevent it.

EasternEcho · 11/01/2025 11:30

I think the simple answer is that Putin wants him to destabize Europe and carve it out amongst themselves. That's my rather simplistic view. For some reason Trump seems either highly envious of Putin or beholden to him.

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:27

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:04

Well we do give money in relief aid. Not just the government, altruistic citizens do too. We’ve also given back a few stolen territories, and some like Gibraltar and the Falklands I can see being handed back in the next 10 years too.

Whats the difference between "open borders" and "stolen territory"?

B0xes · 11/01/2025 11:25

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:01

On another thread I suggested that we ban Reform and I got eviscerated for it, so sadly you may be right.

Though I refuse to give up hope, when people eventually see the good that Labour is doing for this country it will sink in, I’m sure!

This reads like satire

Luminousalumnus · 11/01/2025 11:19

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:01

On another thread I suggested that we ban Reform and I got eviscerated for it, so sadly you may be right.

Though I refuse to give up hope, when people eventually see the good that Labour is doing for this country it will sink in, I’m sure!

Why on earth would we ban Reform if that is who 'most' people want to vote for?
Trump and Musk are trying to undermine the Labour party for a number of reasons but not least because they were fucking rude about Trump (think Sadiq Khan and David Lammy for starters) and biting the hand that feeds you is childish and pathetic. We are not a big player. We have lived in safety for decades because of NATO financed disproportionately by US. We are not equals. The US tbh holds all the power, so we should probably stfu.

Lovelysummerdays · 11/01/2025 11:02

helpfulperson · 11/01/2025 10:31

Because he wants all other countries to become a state of the United States. First Canada and Greenland. Where next?

Well after we are liberated from our fiendish government I’m sure we can become a U.S. outpost. I suspect Australia and New Zealand might be handy too.

HellsBalls · 11/01/2025 11:01

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:13

Well what can do to stop this then? These megalomaniacs have whipped the working class all over the west into a frenzy and it scares me to think of the future when emotions and prejudice are the order of governance.

Oh my god! It’s terrible that the working class (the people who actually work and bankroll the country with their taxes) have woken up somewhat to the fact their voting can change politics and the direction their country moves towards.

Kendodd · 11/01/2025 11:00

CortieTat · 11/01/2025 10:15

I don’t follow what Trump says but Europe has been destabilising itself for years now. The writing was on the wall already before the recession in 2008. Rolling out the common currency was at least one of the triggers, taking idiotic measures aimed at dismantling energy security, such as national votes on nuclear power (as Italy did) was another nail in the coffin; selling out assets, knowledge and IP to China for easy cash at every opportunity could be another example - I am in Sweden and the majority of our large employers have been Chinese for years.

I don’t understand the complaints about potential tariffs either, the European Single Market has been quite hostile to many products from the outside for years… I still buy things from Britain after Brexit and the duties are ridiculous (3.5% over a threshold of 100 or so euro - it might be fine for an individual consumer but it’s significant for businesses).

If Trump is highlighting these issues he’s only talking about things that are already there. Various countries have been eyeing Greenland which is part of the European Union via Denmark for years, the only difference is that Russia doesn’t shout about this.

Greenland is not in the EU.

ExtraOnions · 11/01/2025 10:59

X72 · 11/01/2025 10:49

I don't see Trump and Farage as having equal capabilities. Farage is destructive. He has no skills for rebuilding any system he dissembles. Where, within Reform, does that actually exist? Trump is different - he has the power of the USA political and economic machinery which will get behind him, and to some extent taper and steer him. The US administration is quite different to Reform UK or even any British Government.

It was more about the games these people play. There was an excellent series a few years ago called “The Power of Nightmares” , and the lies told by neo-conservatives, the creation of a common enemy (that they created themselves), to unite people.

Abhannmor · 11/01/2025 10:57

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 09:55

American conservatives will doom the world to a state of perpetual war over resources and territory but Western Europe is also following in their footsteps.

I don’t like to talk up the UK as that kind of rhetoric comes dangerously close to xenophobic nationalism but in this case we seem to be one of the few nations bucking the trend of slipping to the right.

Only Hungary and Italy have a right wing government among the EU nations. The Italian PM Giorgia Meloni wants nothing to do with AfD in Germany either. The far right leader Geert Wilders got the largest popular with vote in Holland - 27%. But he is struggling to form a coalition under PR. With First Past the Post he might have a handy majority?
France, Spain , Germany, Poland all centre left or centre right. Ditto Portugal, Ireland, Greece. Support for xenophobia will tend to rise in bad economic times of course. But are the media playing it up a bit ?

Kendodd · 11/01/2025 10:55

These types of leaders seem very good at painting their friends as their enemies and their real enemies as people they can do business with. See Brexit as the best example of this. I don't know why they do it or why voters swallow it.
I saw on TV just before the US election Muslim voters in America saying they wouldn't be voting for Harris because of her lack of support of Palestinians and support for Israel, they were voting for Trump instead. I was astonished that they thought Trump would be a better POTUS for Palestinians.

X72 · 11/01/2025 10:49

ExtraOnions · 11/01/2025 10:44

…Because like all of this “type” they:

  1. need to create a common enemy, as it helps to galvanise their support (see Farage)
  2. say outlandish things, that will never happen to distract the world away from the terrible things / incompetence there are actually doing. (see Boris Johnson)
  3. Rich White Men, playing games with peoples lives entertains them (see any Roman Emporer)

It will all come crashing down at some point

I don't see Trump and Farage as having equal capabilities. Farage is destructive. He has no skills for rebuilding any system he dissembles. Where, within Reform, does that actually exist? Trump is different - he has the power of the USA political and economic machinery which will get behind him, and to some extent taper and steer him. The US administration is quite different to Reform UK or even any British Government.

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:48

HellsBalls · 11/01/2025 10:45

Would that be on the rape gang threads where you advocated that Labour take over the moderation of all social media? That X and Facebook were banned? That as the child rapes happened years ago, they should no longer be discussed? And also that the Pakistani pedophiles were ‘dark and handsome’?

It sounds like you have quite the crush on me. I am flattered honestly but I’m really not worth that level of obsession 😘

HellsBalls · 11/01/2025 10:45

HappyPanda613 · 11/01/2025 10:01

On another thread I suggested that we ban Reform and I got eviscerated for it, so sadly you may be right.

Though I refuse to give up hope, when people eventually see the good that Labour is doing for this country it will sink in, I’m sure!

Would that be on the rape gang threads where you advocated that Labour take over the moderation of all social media? That X and Facebook were banned? That as the child rapes happened years ago, they should no longer be discussed? And also that the Pakistani pedophiles were ‘dark and handsome’?

Christmassoxs · 11/01/2025 10:45

B0xes · 11/01/2025 09:48

Ah OK. I wasn't sure of the connection.

I welcome any destabilising of the UK, it is hostile to large swathes of its population, corrupt and profoundly dysfunctional. Something needs to change. I think the UK does more self harm than any foreign actors.

Donald is that you or Musk talking here? It's a load of shite which ever way you look at it.