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To not want to hear any more about the Californian fires

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Viviennemary · 10/01/2025 22:18

For a start I do feel a lot of sympathy for folk who have lost everything in those fires. But what is the point of telling us night after night about the devastation these fires are causing, we can't do anything about it nobody can. And America is a rich country and can afford to rebuild. Unlike Gaza where folk have been left with nothing, and hardly had much in the first place.

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Ursulla · 11/01/2025 00:23

@KnightsTemplar00 I don't know why Myrie bothers with all this international shit on News At Ten tbh. He should just read out a list of missing cats and ask if anyone else has seen a grey van driving slowly along Acacia Avenue.

Totallymessed · 11/01/2025 00:23

Mamaghanouch · 11/01/2025 00:11

Actually what's happening in the middle East can be entirely traced back to British meddling in the region or creating today's modern middle East drew lines on a map, signed treaties, gave away land that was not ours to give, because of a colonial mindset and European problems and guilt!

Edited

It's a bit more complicated than that. But nuance is so boring, right? Slogans and thought terminating clichés are much easier, and get more likes on bluesky.

KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 00:22

NeedANapAgain · 11/01/2025 00:21

Not looking for pity, but the fires are only part of the day to day reality right now. According to an email sent by our electricity provider, almost 500,000 people here are without power. We’ve had no power for five days and it’s not expected to be restored until sometime next week. (Thankfully, we bought a portable generator last year.) Power is shut off in grids, meaning no street lights, few businesses open, and only a half-dozen grocery stores open, to serve thousands of people. I had to get prescriptions this morning, took over an hour to drive less than a mile, and the pharmacy was only open as it’s attached to our local hospital. Everyone is wearing masks due to the air quality, and waiting in long lines to get bare essentials. If we have to evacuate, we’ll need to find an open gas station to fill up the tank.

all the best as best as possible

NeedANapAgain · 11/01/2025 00:21

Not looking for pity, but the fires are only part of the day to day reality right now. According to an email sent by our electricity provider, almost 500,000 people here are without power. We’ve had no power for five days and it’s not expected to be restored until sometime next week. (Thankfully, we bought a portable generator last year.) Power is shut off in grids, meaning no street lights, few businesses open, and only a half-dozen grocery stores open, to serve thousands of people. I had to get prescriptions this morning, took over an hour to drive less than a mile, and the pharmacy was only open as it’s attached to our local hospital. Everyone is wearing masks due to the air quality, and waiting in long lines to get bare essentials. If we have to evacuate, we’ll need to find an open gas station to fill up the tank.

smooththecat · 11/01/2025 00:20

This thread be like: ‘Gaza, fuck them, nothing to do with me, non-people anyway’, ‘Fire victims, fuck them, nothing to do with me, boring’.

Coldanddamp · 11/01/2025 00:19

Just had to turn off the news as couldn't stand listening to the guy whining about losing his olympic medals in the fire...they are just things FFS...people in Gaza are losing their children every single day.

he didn’t moan about his medals, he said he got his most important things including insulin & his dog. He also said he wasn’t insured I believe.

When is the world going to help the children of Gaza? That's the news we need to hear.

The world has never managed to help all the children suffering across it. We can’t even manage it in this country let alone on a global scale.

KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 00:19

Mamaghanouch · 11/01/2025 00:11

Actually what's happening in the middle East can be entirely traced back to British meddling in the region or creating today's modern middle East drew lines on a map, signed treaties, gave away land that was not ours to give, because of a colonial mindset and European problems and guilt!

Edited

id guess in modern times its because no side wants to accept peace and its they do this, we do that and so on, etc (ill admit i need more research and understanding)

KnightsTemplar00 · 11/01/2025 00:17

Ursulla · 11/01/2025 00:14

This thread is unreal. News that consisted only of things we could do something about it would be all " the lady down the street has lost her key" or "the number 11 bus is running 20 minutes late". I'm not exactly overflowing with the milk of human kindness but if I ever got to the stage where I moaned about how boring it is when people's towns burn down I'd be having words with myself.

excatly basically your local spotted groups on Facebook and thats it or pretty much

Coldanddamp · 11/01/2025 00:15

@Iwiicit i was agreeing with you

Ursulla · 11/01/2025 00:14

This thread is unreal. News that consisted only of things we could do something about it would be all " the lady down the street has lost her key" or "the number 11 bus is running 20 minutes late". I'm not exactly overflowing with the milk of human kindness but if I ever got to the stage where I moaned about how boring it is when people's towns burn down I'd be having words with myself.

2JFDIYOLO · 11/01/2025 00:13

'rich people ...'???

Family homes, shops and businesses, local schools, theatres, doctor's surgeries - entire neighbourhoods have gone.

The point is, this is caused by climate change which is a global emergency and should be front and centre.

Mamaghanouch · 11/01/2025 00:11

FoxInTheForest · 10/01/2025 23:08

A natural disaster linked to climate change is far more relevant to the UK than middle Eastern conflict that's been going on almost as long as living memory.
Why are you even bringing up 2 completely unrelated things in the same post?

Actually what's happening in the middle East can be entirely traced back to British meddling in the region or creating today's modern middle East drew lines on a map, signed treaties, gave away land that was not ours to give, because of a colonial mindset and European problems and guilt!

YankSplaining · 11/01/2025 00:10

BingoLarge · 11/01/2025 00:01

A friend of mine is currently collecting old clothes in order to fly them from London to LA, despite the fact local agencies are specifically asking people NOT to do this (the last thing this disaster needs is piles of old junk turning up for people to have to deal with).

Some places in LA have said they want them, and some have said they don’t have the capacity to sort and distribute them.

YankSplaining · 11/01/2025 00:04

JaniceBattersby · 10/01/2025 22:38

Bloody hell. The huge majority of people who have lost their homes there are not rich at all.

There’s been plenty of other news reported. News programmes don’t just report one story. Have you even watched the news? There’s been lots about the economy, Donald Trump, Liz Truss, grooming gangs etc during the past few days.

News is very much driven by analytics these days. If people didn’t want to hear about the fires and weren’t engaging with the stories then the coverage would dry up PDQ.

I just met a woman this evening whose friend, age seventy-something, has lost everything in the fires. She’s a regular middle-class person whose family owned the house since before house prices in the area rose. Even in the richer neighborhoods, there are lots of elderly people in that same situation.

BingoLarge · 11/01/2025 00:01

A friend of mine is currently collecting old clothes in order to fly them from London to LA, despite the fact local agencies are specifically asking people NOT to do this (the last thing this disaster needs is piles of old junk turning up for people to have to deal with).

TellYourSugargliderISaidHi · 11/01/2025 00:01

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 10/01/2025 23:29

My exes place burnt to the ground. He's not rich. It's fuckong awful what's happening there.

I'm curious if this happened in London how this would go over on Mumsnet.

Most people won't be able to afford to rebuild their homes.

Many had their insurance policies cancelled a few months ago.

It's a terrifying shit show and the lack of empathy on here is pathological.

La has an enormous homeless population.

Elderly people have lost everything.

God, people can be such assholes.

I don't care how rich someone is, suffering is suffering and my heart goes out to everyone affected.

God, people can be such assholes.

Yes, if empathy in the real world is in as short supply as it now is here, we are fucking doomed.

CheekyHobson · 11/01/2025 00:00

Mustard3 · 10/01/2025 23:05

YANBU

I can’t bring myself to care about it at all, unfortunately. I know that’s mean.

People will have insurance. These celebrities and rich people know how prone this area is to wildfire, but chose to live there anyway because they want to be in a high-status area.

I’m sure they’ll all move straight back there into even bigger mansions when
they’re rebuilt.

Ffs.

My friends have lost their home and literally everything of meaning in it. They and their children are lhomeless, with nothing except the clothes they are wearing. Their children’s school is gone. Their whole neighbourhood is gone. They are not rich, they are normal people living normal lives, running a small business.

They have insurance but if they rebuild on their land (which will take probably years to do), do you think any insurance company is going to insure the new house? Imagine trying to rebuild your entire life while keeping a business afloat.

Try to have just a grain of empathy.

Stillnormal · 10/01/2025 23:59

it is interesting to think about the difference between the certain, predictable consequences of political actions and decision making that lead to bombing civilians unrestrainedly in their own beds for example, and the consequences of the same cultural norms and forces applied to places of peace and progress (as opposed to war). It's the same stuff. It's hard to know really which is more terrifying - the deliberate violence that we bear witness to and wave through, or the flood waters or fire we find ourselves in.

NattyTurtle59 · 10/01/2025 23:58

LostBrainCell · 10/01/2025 23:14

I think the wider issue is we are served up US news constantly on the BBC. Yes the fires are appalling and the issue of climate change is of interest. But the coverage is vast dominating most of the news programme. While just this week we’ve had Elon Musk influencing British politics.

Yet we haven’t heard much at all about Gaza this week for example. And sadly this is a war that is going to impact our country. I think OP is saying they’d like to hear about global news on the BBC more. Sudan is rarely reported on. Many people in the UK couldn’t even tell you where it is. Does Sudan influence the global stage and our politics? No, sadly not. We can still care but not if we don’t hear about these events in the first instance.

What more do you actually want to hear about Gaza? The same thing is happening day after day after day, please tell me how seeing it every night helps anybody?

As for US news constantly on the TV. I'm in NZ and we see every flood, every big snowfall, every time the temperature reaches 30 degrees in the UK, which is far more boring to us as it's nothing we don't have here every year. These fires are huge, I really don't think many of you can grasp that.

placemats · 10/01/2025 23:58

A friend has posted a video of the smoke clouds and it's horrific, her and husband are safe. However she did say that the air is not safe to breathe. Everyone is wearing masks.

ElsaGreen · 10/01/2025 23:58

I think it's an important story because it illustrates the impact of climate change. This will be happening in Europe in 50 years or less.

But some of the reporting is insensitive, given the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Just had to turn off the news as couldn't stand listening to the guy whining about losing his olympic medals in the fire...they are just things FFS...people in Gaza are losing their children every single day.

When is the world going to help the children of Gaza? That's the news we need to hear.

KnightsTemplar00 · 10/01/2025 23:58

WooleyMunky · 10/01/2025 23:57

No, it hasn't always been a risk.
The shockingly short-sighted economic policies of the new Labour government have predicated a potential short and hard recession.

2007–2008: Global Financial Crisis
2010–2012: Eurozone Sovereign Debt Crisis
2016: Brexit Referendum
2020: COVID-19 Pandemic
2022: UK Government Bond Crisis
2025: Debt Market Sell-off

Naddd · 10/01/2025 23:58

WomensRightsRenegade · 10/01/2025 22:25

Why is Gaza more important than Syria, the Uyghars or anything else? The worst fires in history in a country that is our closest ally is
pretty important news to most right-thinking people. Makes more sense than fretting about Gaza - a place that we share no cultural ties with. If anything our values are antithetical.

Free the hostages.

Your whataboutism is bs!
How many Palestinians is Israel holding on prisons, many of them children, many without charge
If you actually still believe that this is about hostages you're as ludicrous as your username!

WooleyMunky · 10/01/2025 23:57

KnightsTemplar00 · 10/01/2025 23:53

"financial collapse" thats always been a risk, besides on the websites there are many news stories ?

No, it hasn't always been a risk.
The shockingly short-sighted economic policies of the new Labour government have predicated a potential short and hard recession.

Nanny0gg · 10/01/2025 23:57

Coldanddamp · 10/01/2025 22:34

Yeah I'm bored of it too. Rich people have their houses burned down

Some of the firefighters & police officers have lost homes, are they rich?

It's nothing to do with big houses

How would you feel if you lost everything that was important to you (bar family)

Insurance can't replace that

And because of the frequency of the wildfires, not everyone was able to be insured either - rich and poor

And you can be upset/concerned/aghast at more than one thing at a time