To ask your opinions on Sex and the City?

Loved it at the time. A bit like some episodes of friends, and then when you realised that in Don't Forget Your Tooothbrush' they WEIGHED women and nobody said anything, and Bridget Jones was fat at 9 stone, you do wonder what the fuck we were all doing in the nineties! SATC was good at the time as it allowed, we thought, a different take in women and sex. Was a mainstream show when women were allowed to be sexual. When you look back though they were really saying there was something wrong with you if you weren't married. But all media is a product of its time. The worse thing for me is that Big LEFT HER AT THE ALTER and she forgave him and married him and we were meant to think this was a happy ending. Hmmmmm.

My God those women on that podcast are silly. Ok I'm a lot older than them, but I'm listening to them chastising Charlotte for being upset about her partner calling her a
' fing whore' or ' fing' birch when he comes, and they're saying that this is totally normal now and it's just like having sex in the missionary position! Well no it's not. God I hate this stupid ' sex positivity' movememt, which is really driven by hard core porn and which so many young women have bought into. We should NOT be normalizing this!

Completely agree @Crushed23

Haven't RTFT.

I absolutely love it. I was a latecomer to it because I was a child/teen when it aired. I've rewatched it so many times.

This is a controversial opinion, but I don't think Carrie is any worse than the other characters (one of the main points of the show was that these were supposed to be real, flawed women not perfect princesses), she's just hated more because she's attractive, is the central character, wears the best outfits on the show, has a cracking body, and a fabulous lifestyle.

I also think people get confused about the format of the show. It was not a show about 4 friends. It was a show about Carrie (who is also the narrator) and her 3 friends. So while it seems like she is more self-centred than the others, she isn't, it's just the show is focused on her as she is the main character.

That's interesting BTW about women's magazines...I do sometimes wish they were a Gen Z thing. I guess it's better for the planet, but online magazines just don't have the same feel.. Esp envious of the free gift war- my grandmother has a huge amount of free DVDs she got from various papers in the early 2000s, I'd wondered why they were all raining freebies then...😂

Aha, funnily I got an extract from that for a GCSE revision comprehension once...it was really good, I thought. Still on my to be read...

I loved Lipstick Jungle too @Richardchamberlainrocks - had Teddy from Grey's Anatomy in it & she was great (& not the whiny annoying character she is in GA!)

I haven’t read all of the thread so I’m sorry if it’s already been mentioned but did anyone watch Lipstick Jungle? I really enjoyed that but it only ran for two seasons which was a real shame as it was written by Candace Bushnell and I had high hopes for it.

There are some lovely moments in that episode. Miranda in the changing room, Steve and Aiden showing up to support her and Carrie walking her out of the church. I especially enjoyed the flowers Charlotte arranged, that were not supposed to say ‘you’re dead, let’s disco’.

Charlotte was very attracted to Harry
She just couldn't see why ,because he isn't a conventionally handsome man

I watched this just before Christmas, watched it when it originally was shown ( couldn’t really remember it) The ending I was so disappointed with

What “stupidly high” standards did they have exactly?

Miranda always liked Steve. He was the one who had the issue with her outearning him.

Charlotte also just was not super attracted to Harry But I don’t think wanting to fancy your partner is a “stupidly high standard”.

Also she did not really drop her standard as Harry, like all her exes was wealthy, well educated and from a privileged background.

I loved it too @Appalonia - have loved all of Sex & the City and also And Just Like That! Fabulous!

I know everyone hates the second film, but I personally found it really entertaining. The part when Charlotte was honest about how hard she found motherhood was very moving. The fashions were fabulous, the problems with Carrie and Big when boredom set in, and her angst over kissing Aidan, the foursome singing I am Woman, the Indian hotel worker who had to work abroad and so rarely saw his wife, and Carrie's generosity towards him. Also how women and their sexuality gets treated in Middle Eastern countries. The bit when the women were smuggled out at the end in burkhas was like something out of a Carry On film!

Bridget, yes, found it a challenge/annoying to be amongst the Smug Marrieds (and that phrase is pure genius). Charlotte wanted to get married. I could never work out what Carrie wanted. Miranda, I thought, didn’t really want a partner. Samantha wanted to be free. While I’m on the board I too have to say how horrible Berger is! His role is brilliantly written and when I was young I just might have found his shtick attractive. Petrovsky also a tin man…

I still love it! Just finished a rewatch not too long ago. Yes bits of it haven't aged well but it's still very entertaining. I actually quite like the first film too.

Interestingly my feelings in the characters has changed loads since watching it back in the day. I still love Miranda the best and Patrovsky can get in the bin (always disliked him). But I used to loathe Carrie and now she doesn't bother me so much. Aiden I always thought was a sweet guy treated really badly, but now I think he's an arse hole. Was Big as bad as I thought back in the day, maybe not.

Who doesn't love Samantha, especially when she does something lovely (giving Miranda the hair appointment) and Charlotte can be annoying but 'I curse the day you were born' is a classic.

Pick-up artists

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What’s PUA?

Listening to the podcast today, very entertaining, thanks for the recommendation!😁

I think this partly explains the PUA rubbish that developed later. Obvs it's ok if the people take no for an answer, asking someone out isn't PUA by default! But NY has more of a culture of asking out anytime, anyplace, so the PUA stuff seemed slightly less weird over there. Whereas here men asking random women in the street out seems odd in itself.

I think the overall message of it gets lost for some that love it.

My work colleagues used to love the ' sexual empowerment' of it all.

For me the message was that none of the four were happy until they realised the reason they were single was that their standards were stupidly high, and their shallow and materialistic taste in men never led to them being happy.

When they started to appreciate the qualities of the likes of Harry and Steve, that's when they found what they were looking for.

I also never forgave Carrie for cheating on Aidan with 'Big'. I think the storyline was well done , because you were genuinely disappointed in her.

I haven't watched the new series at all. It would never work for me without Samantha and I am also quite sad to hear how Miranda's arc has gone. I liked that she and Steve gave us a glimpse of a couple actually working on staying together and dealing with real life problems like care of elderly parents.

I rewatched it again fairly recently and I actually think as an examination of grief, it hits the spot.
It's just the rest of it that's shit 😁