To resent the cognitive dissonance that exists around climate change

The thing that no one is ever able to answer is that if there is really a so-called climate emergency, why do the US, China, India and others continue to emit so much. Why do celebrities and activists who lecture the rest of us, live their lives as there is no emergency.

Clearly, they are not stupid, if there is going to be some climate related catastrophe, then they will be impacted as much as everyone else. It’s like Nuclear weapons, everyone knows that they are assured mutual destruction, so every country avoids first strike as much as possible. While witn carbon emissions, the rich and the powerful live their lives and powerful countries run themselves normally.

There is only one explanation. There is no climate emergency. The gullible have fallen for that line and are being taken for a ride.

Do as they do, not as they say.

Well, in that case, lets do nothing at all and see things like floods and fires become the norm & what that will mean for food security.

Its all very well your doom n gloom "there is nothing we can do" attitude but it is a rather negative message.

EU is not going to do that. Because they are learning the lesson the hard way that climate hysteria damages your country’s living standards irreparably. But even if they went to 0, It’ll still make no difference. EU make up less than 6% of global emissions. India’s emissions alone will grow more than that in the next few years.

As I say feeling good about stuff doesn’t mean it’s worth anything or that it makes any difference to the world. With respect, that’s the term virus signal is so heavily associated with people who see themselves as climate activists or environmentalists.

So, lets say all EU/European countries take that attitude? thats a lot more than 1%.... actions add up.

However, i do question some stuff, like chainsaws/strimmers becoming electric... FFS how many people use a fucking chainsaw??

Its just a means to get people in that sector to buy more stuff and manufacturers to make more money.

We really need to change the way we calculate each country’s emissions.

The UK’s official figures ought to include the emissions created by the manufacture and transport of the goods we import from China, India, Vietnam etc. Also, the UK is the world’s third biggest exporter of plastic waste, which is sometimes burned, especially in Turkiye.

Exactly this. A small country like the UK’s population deciding to not book that international flight or get an electric car is not going to make any difference in the scheme of the world.

That's incorrect but there is no point in trying to change your view

It’s a case of being realistic. It is true. Everyone in the UK could live in a mud hut and eat dry leaves (this governments doing its best to get the country to that state) and it still would make 0 difference to the climate. That is simply a fact.

Wait until Trump gets going with ‘Drill, baby drill’. That will a whole other level of global emissions.

Not correct. Again who consumes the trade from China ? And again they have spent a fortune on renewable energy and are driving prices down (although I am still not a fan)
Anyway, you are validating the OPs frustration 🫤

Not entirely true

You can vote.
You can still choose to consume less, recycle, repair, etc
You can campaign and spread awareness and teach the next generation

But yes many things like an electric car or solar panels cost money and we need the government to spend on effective transport, retrofitting houses, etc which can then help everyone

Being climate aware is the preserve of those who can afford it. Those of us who cannot are destined to sit by and worry for our children's future.

Sorry what are you asking me? I'm just saying that I can only control a very small amount of the world, so I choose to do it in an environmentally friendly way. I can't change the world but I can do my part. If you don't want to because you don't think it makes a difference, that's your prerogative.

Our individual actions don't add up. They just don't. The UK becoming net zero will not make any difference whatsoever. We could all die in the UK and the whole country could go rewilded and it would not make any difference whatsoever. The world will rebalance itself. Certain forms of life will die out, new ones will emerge. That's fine. Why are you so invested in maintaining the status quo op?

Well AI does indeed recommend many of the ideas listed on this thread to reduce our carbon footprint

Oh well. I'm going to carry on as I am anyway though.

But it doesn’t. UK is less than 1% of global emissions. Nothing you do makes any difference. It’s a case of numbers and facts. It makes 0 difference.

Doesn't really matter if I am doing it to feel good, it still makes a difference.

So you’re doing it to make yourself feel good, not because it makes sense.

This pretty much sums up irrational climate hysteria

No, the purpose is to live your life knowing you're living up to your own morals and doing what you can, and not just think "well I can't solve the whole problem so I won't bother". I'd rather look back at my life knowing I lived it honourably as far as I could. The same as me buying a homeless person a drink isn't going to solve homelessness but it reflects on me that I'm doing what I can to make life a little easier for someone. You can be a good person and acknowledge that without being smug.

I always have major eye roll at threads like this with the underlying sentiment of “if only everyone was just as clever as me they would all understand”…..we do understand but most people don’t care.

I do what I can, walk as much as possible, buy on Vinted as much as possible, don’t overuse heating etc but I have kids, I have a dog, I’m going on two holidays abroad this year, my family eat meat, we go a bit mad on the presents at Christmas, we have a lot of electronics and we have two cars (one is electric). There have been lots of reasons on this thread as to why people don’t or won’t make the massive changes needed, it’s not because their understanding of the matter is somehow inferior to yours.

From my experience people want to reduce their carbon footprint but why is it so hard to do so? I want to use the trains as I live close to a station, but with cancellations, the vast expense of tickets and a really shit Sunday service I can't. I want to use local services I can walk to - but any outpatient appointments I have are not at my local hospital - they are 20 miles across county. I don't have the money or infrastructure to purchase an electric car - I live in a victorian terrace.

It means absolutely nothing. It’s not about feeling and touching. Or any other emotional reactions. The facts are the facts. The US and China emit over a third of global emissions. UK less than 1%. It makes 0 difference what we do. It’s an absolute waste to of time for anyone in this country to jump on this bandwagon.

That's factually incorrect

All carbon savings matter

Very little less means a little less warming

It might not feel like much - but it does matter - your actions might only save one life or home , but that something

So the purpose is to feel smug? Rather than actual results. That’s called virtue signalling.

Because our collective actions make 0 difference. That’s right 0. Nothing we do in this country makes an ounce of impact on the climate.

Yes, but in the meantime all of our individual actions add up. And we can be satisfied in the knowledge that we are doing what we can.