To resent the cognitive dissonance that exists around climate change

Heh you got it.

There's no point picking on individuals. The society we live in requires us to spend more and consume more to keep the economy growing. Spending more inevitably means more environmental damage whatever you spend it on. Thus policy is aimed at getting increased growth. e.g. Electric cars which are terrible for the environment.
The best lifestyle for the environment is also the cheapest and it doesn't have to be joyless unless you measure joy in material things - unfortunately most people do think they need more material goods to be happier. It's just the way it is. Human nature, capitalism. It will never change. Just live your life the way you want and leave others to it.
(I am one of the ones with a 20 year old diesel car and walk and cycle almost everywhere. I draw the line at using public transport though. It's impossible as it's so terrible)

Whilst i agree a terminal or huge fall in the worlds population would assist the planet, i don't believe that would automatically ensure its existence.

Those things could go hand in glove with wars, inc Nuclear & then what would be left after the likely "Nuclear Winter" and huge damage to the ozone layer.

‘Bless you’ is a bit silly but yeh I didn’t get much from that the first time other than not much argument to be made there

And again, bless you.

We could do this circle all day if you want.

You are as you said in you other post hopeful it will happen

The only thing that will save the planet is the removal of the human race. Hopefully the planet will suss out a way to do that at some point.

Including those in your family presumably. I find that odd yes

You're missing the bigger picture. That's alright.

The only thing that would save the planet ultimately is the removal of the human race. This is a fact. It doesnt make me some sort of baby killer. If the ones who have any control over what happens to the planet took steps and prioritised it then we would probably be saved. But the rich and elite don't give a stuff.

As it stands, the planet is changing faster than we can evolve to keep up. You can navel gaze all you want but the inevitable will happen anyway.

This planet supports complex life. You don't actually think it's going to allow itself to die do you?

I don't know why you don't read my post before commentating on it?

Would make for a better discussion.

You said Labour have convinced you it’s a good way to go, but people can’t have it both ways. Either rely on China and their emissions or don’t

what i actually wrote I personally, have reservations about this but if Trump makes trade harder with the US, then who do we trade with?

Again, its not either or, we have to rely on china for so much, we don't have the skills, man power, the equipment to on shore.

What are you arguing for? its not clear.

In an earlier post you wanted to use a different measurement for consumption, now it’s the U.K. won’t change much

Chinese emissions will raise, its economy has reached a point where its own consumerism will ensure that, it wont need the UK for that

Labour have convinced you it’s a good way to go, but people can’t have it both ways. Either rely on China and their emissions or don’t

It's because there is no world government. What a shame God doesn't exit, be really handy, he could say no more flights, no more cruise ships, be gone with your Sheins and Temus etc. There's no global overlord to do the right thing. Yes it's worse than any of us can imagine but we're on a high speed track about to hurtle into the abyss. If Valencia and LA don't make this terrifyingly obvious then heaven knows what will.

There was plenty we did which caused this. We are clearly capable of changing our climate through our activities. It will be the end of the world (as we know it) because many places will become uninhabitable, agriculture will no longer be viable in many parts of the world, and the risks posed by natural disasters will eliminate stability. Stability and a stable, temperate climate is what brings economic success. Think about which parts of the world were able to enjoy generally reliable harvests for centuries, which parts of the world were able to industrialise first, and which parts thereby became the richest ? The clue is places with a stable, reliable, predictable climate with a low risk of natural disasters.

We are also capable of fixing it. Climate action isn’t a hair shirt, it’s mainly about stopping the use of fossil fuels. Anything we can do to move off them is a step in the right direction.

Decades?

If climate changes as it is now appearing too, we haven't got decades.

Chinese emissions will raise, its economy has reached a point where its own consumerism will ensure that, it wont need the UK for that

Er ok strange response but then I think that about parents happy to see dc wiped out prioritising lack of existence

China is here, its the reality, your phone laptop and networking equipment in your office and data centre is mostly made there or SE Asia, your bicycle, the processors in your car all come from China or surrounding regions.

Of course it is. There are no posts stating otherwise

People want that stuff fine. Then China will have higher emissions and we can’t say much as we are part of that

As for investment China are already buying across the world, we’ll see where acceleration gets them in terms of long term control in a few decades

I don't believe there's anything we can do that will change this (and I don't think it will be the end of the world anyway). I think a lot of humans are predisposed to love a hair shirt drama is all. I'd rather live a nice life.

Bless you.

I think the idea we will get more inward investment and more export opportunities, not that we will import more.

I personally, have reservations about this but if Trump makes trade harder with the US, then who do we trade with?

China is here, its the reality, your phone laptop and networking equipment in your office and data centre is mostly made there or SE Asia, your bicycle, the processors in your car all come from China or surrounding regions.

Its not just cheap tat that we import.

I can understand people saying they want to be wiped out without dc, but wanting this destruction for their dc and for them to be wiped out, well I can’t see why you would.

I do. I don't know what that's got to do with the price of chips like.

We are a plague on this planet and the planet will see to us. It makes me laugh at all the I don't believe in climate change people. Climate change doesn't give a toss if you believe in it or not. The planet is changing faster than we can evolve to keep up.

All the navel gazing in the world won't make a difference.

Do you know what the world will be like when average global temperatures are 2-3 degrees higher than now ? Is that good for the economy / trade / happiness / wellbeing ?

That’s a bit extreme. Do you have dc out of interest?

The only thing that will save the planet is the removal of the human race. Hopefully the planet will suss out a way to do that at some point.

I think there's a lot of hypocrisy around it for sure. I know someone who is head of climate change advocacy for a big international charity. Last year was in Asia for holidays several times, drives a car, etc etc.

I don't personally believe climate change should be something we prioritise so I don't care that she isn't following her own rules but the lectures are a bit annoying.

Well then a decision is made people prefer consumption from China and the associated impact on emissions.

There’s no point in lamenting China’s manufacturing and doing this, people need to decide politically

Its not just Reeves, its British industry, services and manufacturing, both in full support, rare given her budget!!
China is the worlds 2nd largest economy, given Trumps tariff promises, we'd be mad not to explore other opportunities.

Spain is getting China to manufacture there, much like the UK did with Japanese car manufacturers in the 80s... the UK could do that too but thanks to the Tories, Brexit makes that rather harder, unless we relax our so called FTA with the EU.