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To resent the cognitive dissonance that exists around climate change

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JacquesHarlow · 10/01/2025 09:21

Let’s be real - will anything get better when folk’s priorities are usually about themselves?

Let me explain my rather emotional opening point.

There’s been lots of news this week unsurprisingly about how we had the hottest year on record last year. The last 10 years have been the hottest on record. Wildfires, floods, you name it - the earth is changing.

Yet here in the temperate, largely rainy UK, many people I see around me are very happy to have their head in the sand, while also bizarrely choosing just one or two lines of attack on the climate crisis to shame others.

One of the parents i know has an electric car. It’s nice, I’m happy for them. They also take at least five flight a year. They have three children.

Yet if you hear them talk about diesel cars… it’s as if the owners are personally killing everyone around them.

Now don’t get me wrong. Emissions locally are important, the air our kids breathe is important. that might be a focus.

However you see it in the choice of car journeys over trains, of large SUVs over a normal family car like a Golf.

The latter particularly grates. We have a huge climate crisis. Yet Joanna or Nicola has to have a Discovery Sport for her three kids because she needs to sit high up, it’s easier to load them in, and she worries about crash worthiness.

The history books will show that rather than looking up and out for each other, we’re actually turning more inwards. Our own personal economy will always triumph over needing to protect others. If I’m able to pay £400 a month PCP on a Dispcvery Sport, then “I’ll protect my family over anything”, even though the entire thought process is irrational.

We need to take fewer flights and more rail journeys. working from home should mean more walking to school as the commute has gone. instead we’re seeing more car journeys. More flights. More large purchases; throwaway electronics; fast fashion.

AIBU to think there’s a lot of cognitive dissonance and head in the sand about climate change in the UK, and spending power (and the choices it unlocks) is king?

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Pussycat22 · 15/01/2025 23:46

susiedaisy1912 · 10/01/2025 09:56

You're fighting a loosing battle op. Most people dont really care enough to make any drastic changes to their lifestyle. Too many people in the world all wanting too much. Life is hard work even in the uk for most of us. The climate summits are a farce. They achieve very little. Business & Profit margins will always come first.

Especially when some of the people at the climate summits probably have a vested interest in some form or another.

JacquesHarlow · 15/01/2025 23:38

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 19:56

Ok but cars don't drive on pavements ringing their bells behind them as though the pedestrian is responsible for getting out the way.

I really wish there wasn’t the sheer amount of “whatabouttery” on the Internet of today as demonstrated by @Everythingisnumbersnow

Which is more dangerous:

• admittedly irritating bikes which “drive” on pavements ringing a bell , asking a pedestrian to move over
• Dangerously driven cars which fail to stop at zebra crossings, or slow down as they turn into a minor road etc

Honestly - can someone not just make a point about a car without someone trying to counter about bikes? Ever?!

P.S I am a driver AND a cyclist before anyone starts.

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sleepwouldbenice · 15/01/2025 16:10

VoodooRajin · 15/01/2025 16:07

Thet doesn't madden me

Good 4 u

VoodooRajin · 15/01/2025 16:09

Everythingisnumbersnow · 15/01/2025 15:13

This isn't about car drivers it's about pedestrians. You are the risk to us. I know cyclists hate having to face this because you see yourselves as baby vulnerable good guys.

Most pedestrian deaths and accidents are due to motor vehicles

VoodooRajin · 15/01/2025 16:07

sleepwouldbenice · 14/01/2025 21:02

Wow its turned into a row about cycling....

As PP said....some cyclists....not all. Although we can probably all agree that delivery cyclists without lights and on pavements are maddening

As you were...

Thet doesn't madden me

VoodooRajin · 15/01/2025 16:06

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 19:56

Ok but cars don't drive on pavements ringing their bells behind them as though the pedestrian is responsible for getting out the way.

Not only do cars mount pavements, they also use a far more invasive noise to get people out of their way

sleepwouldbenice · 15/01/2025 15:28

Everythingisnumbersnow · 15/01/2025 15:13

This isn't about car drivers it's about pedestrians. You are the risk to us. I know cyclists hate having to face this because you see yourselves as baby vulnerable good guys.

Wow. Maybe just calm down, take a break

Everythingisnumbersnow · 15/01/2025 15:13

Theolittle · 15/01/2025 10:49

The hatred of cyclists really concerns me - people don’t see them as real vulnerable human beings

I used to cycle to work and didn’t break any rules but the aggression of some car drivers put me off

This isn't about car drivers it's about pedestrians. You are the risk to us. I know cyclists hate having to face this because you see yourselves as baby vulnerable good guys.

Theolittle · 15/01/2025 10:49

The hatred of cyclists really concerns me - people don’t see them as real vulnerable human beings

I used to cycle to work and didn’t break any rules but the aggression of some car drivers put me off

jasjas3008 · 15/01/2025 10:28

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 18:20

They cycle on the pavement at speed, through green men (at speed), on electric vehicles, with silent arrogance. Cyclists are the worst human beings.

You ve clearly got an irrational hatred of cyclists and lump them all together.

I worked in central London, very few cycle related incidents compared to the ones i encountered with buses, taxis and cars.

Same where i live now, i go into Plymouth, decent sized city, are there poor standards of riding? of course but again, tiny in comparison to vehicles or even people with pushchairs!!

Simple fact is, almost all cyclists are aware that in a collision, they will suffer greatly, even be killed.

sleepwouldbenice · 14/01/2025 21:02

Wow its turned into a row about cycling....

As PP said....some cyclists....not all. Although we can probably all agree that delivery cyclists without lights and on pavements are maddening

As you were...

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 19:57

HellsBalls · 14/01/2025 19:22

‘Some’ cyclists are terrible, the same as some car drivers, some lorry drivers etc.

Enough that it's cyclists that make life miserable in Edinburgh, where I live, not cars.

I concede that Edinburgh traffic calming will have made cars less stressful than they might have been (you can report pavement parking online now with the click or a button).

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 19:56

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 19:50

If I had a pound for every car driver who failed to stop at a zebra crossing (when I'm on foot), who blocked the footpath forcing pedestrians out into the road, or who came inches from killing me because they were too impatient to wait until it was safe to pass I would have funded an LTN myself. That's before I even count all of the ones who are speeding.

Car drivers worry that a bicycle will delay them. Bicycle riders worry that a car will kill them.

And most people on bikes aren't cyclists. They're ordinary people trying to get to work:

Ok but cars don't drive on pavements ringing their bells behind them as though the pedestrian is responsible for getting out the way.

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 19:50

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 18:20

They cycle on the pavement at speed, through green men (at speed), on electric vehicles, with silent arrogance. Cyclists are the worst human beings.

If I had a pound for every car driver who failed to stop at a zebra crossing (when I'm on foot), who blocked the footpath forcing pedestrians out into the road, or who came inches from killing me because they were too impatient to wait until it was safe to pass I would have funded an LTN myself. That's before I even count all of the ones who are speeding.

Car drivers worry that a bicycle will delay them. Bicycle riders worry that a car will kill them.

And most people on bikes aren't cyclists. They're ordinary people trying to get to work:

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HellsBalls · 14/01/2025 19:22

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 18:20

They cycle on the pavement at speed, through green men (at speed), on electric vehicles, with silent arrogance. Cyclists are the worst human beings.

‘Some’ cyclists are terrible, the same as some car drivers, some lorry drivers etc.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 18:21

They make it frightening to be a pedestrian and dangerous to be a visually or mobility impaired pedestrian and they act as though they don't know what they're doing.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 18:20

jasjas3008 · 14/01/2025 18:09

No they don't, you just made that up.

I used drive 35k per year for my job, all types of roads, towns and cities, i can count on one hand the number of times i ve been delayed by a cyclist, usually for about 30 to 60 seconds.
Vast majority of delays are caused by, yep even you could guess this.. Traffic!!

If this country had a better attitude to cycling, instead of the one you ve got, air pollution and general quality of life would improve.

However, yours is the prevailing view, so well done 😥

They cycle on the pavement at speed, through green men (at speed), on electric vehicles, with silent arrogance. Cyclists are the worst human beings.

jasjas3008 · 14/01/2025 18:09

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 17:29

Ok.

It's still something I don't care about at all.

Cyclists make my day to day life harder tbh.

No they don't, you just made that up.

I used drive 35k per year for my job, all types of roads, towns and cities, i can count on one hand the number of times i ve been delayed by a cyclist, usually for about 30 to 60 seconds.
Vast majority of delays are caused by, yep even you could guess this.. Traffic!!

If this country had a better attitude to cycling, instead of the one you ve got, air pollution and general quality of life would improve.

However, yours is the prevailing view, so well done 😥

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 17:29

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 16:59

Transport is the biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the UK. Most of that is down to cars. On top of which they cause thousands of deaths in the UK per year (not just in collisions - see Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah), generate large amounts of noise and air pollution, occupy large quantities of land on this small island, and enrich some very dodgy dictators.

Ok.

It's still something I don't care about at all.

Cyclists make my day to day life harder tbh.

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 16:59

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 15:57

I have never driven a car in my life. Why do you greenzos bang on about cars so much?

Transport is the biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions in the UK. Most of that is down to cars. On top of which they cause thousands of deaths in the UK per year (not just in collisions - see Ella Adoo-Kissi-Debrah), generate large amounts of noise and air pollution, occupy large quantities of land on this small island, and enrich some very dodgy dictators.

HangryLikeTheHulk · 14/01/2025 16:57

Anniedash · 14/01/2025 14:15

Not really. It means not subscribing to climate hysteria and the cult like obsession.

It’s neither hysterical nor cult like.

What a strange way to put your head in the sand. Like being on a sinking ship and making the hole bigger and calling everyone trying to close the hole and bail out the water “hysterical” and “cult-like”.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 15:57

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 15:49

Are you going to stop too? Because you driving impinges on my quality of life (not to mention my personal safety).

I have never driven a car in my life. Why do you greenzos bang on about cars so much?

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 15:49

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 15:47

So don't drive.

Are you going to stop too? Because you driving impinges on my quality of life (not to mention my personal safety).

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 15:47

DdraigGoch · 14/01/2025 14:40

Car dependency lowers quality of life in the present, never mind in the future. It cuts off social contact, reduces physical activity, increases ambient noise levels and parks a heavy financial burden on the most marginalised people.

So don't drive.

Everythingisnumbersnow · 14/01/2025 15:46

Lentilweaver · 14/01/2025 14:03

I think only a mug in the UK would blame an Indian or Chinese person for buying one car per family per lifetime when British and American peoppe have seversl cars per family.

I don't own any cars. I also don't care what India or China do because we're about to have a population collapse globally and all this will sort itself out. So just chill and book that long haul flight.