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People who think mat leave is a holiday

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makingdecisionsforme · 10/01/2025 08:47

I went to a work dinner just before Christmas even though I'm on mat leave. A long time colleague was leaving and invited me along. Was great to catch up and see people.

One senior man (without kids) walked up to me at the bar and said 'are you living the dream right now?' Which I thought was an odd comment. Motherhood is beautiful but with 2 children, one being a 3 month old at the time at home, I'm not sure I'd describe it as 'living the dream'. Beautiful chaos perhaps?! :)

When it came to go home I said 'oh my it's getting late' and the same man said across someone 'well you don't have to work tomorrow'. That person who overheard said 'she has 2 kids'. I also said 'my working day starts in 2 hours'. Not that I need to justify myself but my 3 month old was going through the 4 month sleep regression, hadn't slept for longer than 3 hour stings over night for 2 weeks and was up all the night before and that night, with my 3 year old waking at 5.30am as usual.

I'm not living the dream or not working. I'm lucky to be a mum and be paid on maternity leave as many other countries don't afford this but AIBU to still be annoyed about it several weeks later?

I hope one day he has a reflux baby like mine and realises how hard it is. You try to solve it with infant gaviscon and that leads to constipation, try to counteract it with lactulose but forever worry you're getting the dose wrong, try omperazole only to be told it will decimate your LO gut health and make them more ill down the line, the mental load of it on no sleep is plenty of work!

Not the same as being in the office for 8.30, showered, dressed and contributing all day to a workshop which he had but I am not living the dream on a beach somewhere either!

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makingdecisionsforme · 10/01/2025 13:49

That was relating to my original post and replies. Not the recent sahm vs working mum sub thread.

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makingdecisionsforme · 10/01/2025 13:47

It's fair to say there are pros and cons to both.

With work Monday-Friday is harder but no matter how little sleep or how hungover he was, on the Friday night he would have had the option to sleep 8 hours straight, and throughout the weekend. Also he had annual leave over the Christmas break.

Being a mum I still haven't had the luxury of most than a 4 hour stretch of sleep since that night. No annual leave or weekends.

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Bushmillsbabe · 10/01/2025 13:47

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 10/01/2025 12:41

As others have said, this sounds a bit bitchy!

Also the bit about working full time as a mother just feels like you had a chip on your shoulder. I am also a full time mother. I just happen to have a job as well. But obvs don't have the luxury of using their school time to do housework and go to the gym because I'm at work!

This!
As a working mum, I have found some SAHM's quite judgemental
"you returned to work when they were how old!!!" (Look of shock and horror at me returning when 14 months old)
"my priority is my children rather than my career" -mine is too love, but children need and house and food, and the best one
"does your husband not earn enough that you can't stay at home, you have to work, you poor thing"

We are all 'full time mums', they don't have another mum who takes over halfway through the week, it's not a jobshare type of thing 🤣

Babyboomtastic · 10/01/2025 13:26

I also envied everyone who had got ready at the office and walked across the road vs me who was doing my hair during the 9am morning nap, second nap choosing between my own nap as I was exhausted or making food and finding an outfit.... then he only napped for 20 min late afternoon so had no time to get ready. Was sick on my first outfit and couldn't find anything else to wear. Rocked up 3 hours after everyone else. Was watching the clock wondering how much sleep I might get before the hourly wakes kicked in.

Yes, but this time next year you may be doing the next run first, the day in the office, and then still clock watching before hourly wakes kick in (mine both slept better when young & even during the 4m regression, than a year later). Then back to the office first thing on 3 hours broken sleep rather than a day at home with naps.

Rubbish sleep is tricky, but I also found maternity leave 'living the dream'. For my first, it really was like a holiday! Even with newborn sleep, snatching naps in the day meant I got much more sleep than in my stressful job. Second time around, I was more tired but it was still one of the best and easiest times of my life. Even with a colicky, bottle refusing insomniac.

He was still being an idiot though.

Bushmillsbabe · 10/01/2025 13:23

PalePurplePumpkin · 10/01/2025 12:21

Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

Or her priorities simply changed?

Or that's how she happened to look on that particular day?

You sound a bit gloaty here at the thought she may not have been coping well.

I was thinking that too. Along with the comment 'I got the impression that she thought .....'. So she was a mindreader then, it's very likely that DH colleague had absolutely no thoughts about this lady at all, I'm sure she had much better things to think about, being 'career driven' and all!

HomeTheatreSystem · 10/01/2025 13:06

How like a man to comment so confidently on a subject he knows nothing about.

CanadianHobbit · 10/01/2025 12:52

He sounds like a bit of a turd but I think stewing about it weeks later and avoiding another meet up, is a bit much.
People say stupid things all the time. You need to learn to let go and just live your life.

My mat leave was a dream. I got to sleep in, lazy teas everyday, walks, the beach, breweries with the baby. Yes I had to wake up a few times during the night for a while, but I didn’t find that all that difficult. I would call it a vacation compared to working everyday.

JaneBoleynViscountessRochford · 10/01/2025 12:51

I thought mat leave would be a holiday, even bought a language course convinced I would finally have time to learn a second language. Well I got a bit of a shock but I try to remember it when people make comments like that, if you don’t know then you don’t know.

My second lot of mat leave was so completely blighted by a difficult baby and horrendous PND that I probably would have had a breakdown at those types of comments though but again if you haven’t experienced it then you don’t understand so just let it wash over you and ignore.

makingdecisionsforme · 10/01/2025 12:50

Summervibes24 · 10/01/2025 12:46

The first maternity leave did feel a bit like a holiday to me (the first month before the baby was born) and for the last 6 mths of it. Ok there days when I was tired but nothing like being tired and having to work all day.

The second maternity leave was nothing like a holiday due to the activity and schedule of DD1 and also looking after a newborn. I was happy to go back to work!

Yes! On both occasions, the weeks after finishing work and before having the baby were some of the best weeks of my life! No better feeling.

Actually after 6 months old maternity leave was great. We were sleeping, the routine wasn't as rigorous and in my case the summer rolled around.

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Summervibes24 · 10/01/2025 12:46

The first maternity leave did feel a bit like a holiday to me (the first month before the baby was born) and for the last 6 mths of it. Ok there days when I was tired but nothing like being tired and having to work all day.

The second maternity leave was nothing like a holiday due to the activity and schedule of DD1 and also looking after a newborn. I was happy to go back to work!

TwoLeggedGrooveMachine · 10/01/2025 12:46

Well my babies were really difficult and didn’t sleep well but I still had to deal with that when I went back to work. Mat leave was a holiday in comparison to juggling childcare, work, housework etc. all the chores, food prep etc still needed doing but in less hours. Plus trying to get my baby brain to function at work. Hardest years of my life when I had little ones.

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 10/01/2025 12:41

mondaytosunday · 10/01/2025 12:07

I was a sahp. When meeting anyone who asked me if I 'worked', I'd respond: 'yes, I work 24/7 as a mother'. It was only when they started school that I had a few hours break - and filled most of that time with laundry, cleaning, walking the dog etc, though did manage to get to the gym some mornings after drop off!
I remember a very career oriented work colleague of my DH. Always looked very glam, very organised, pristine house. She was very nice but I always got the impression she thought I was living the easy life. Then she had twins. Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

As others have said, this sounds a bit bitchy!

Also the bit about working full time as a mother just feels like you had a chip on your shoulder. I am also a full time mother. I just happen to have a job as well. But obvs don't have the luxury of using their school time to do housework and go to the gym because I'm at work!

FeelingSoOverwhelmed · 10/01/2025 12:38

Mat leave is not a holiday, but it does sound like you've had a tough time in the early days through illness etc and are maybe overthinking the comments more than you normally would.

And whilst it's definitely not a holiday, personally I found it a lot easier than work both times. And definitely a lot easier than combining work with children!! I think the grass is always greener though, I do remember finding some days on mat leave a bit samey and whilst stressful, work was something different during the day.

howshouldibehave · 10/01/2025 12:38

Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

Blimey-that sounds so bitchy. She invites you round to her house and that's how you describe her!?

howshouldibehave · 10/01/2025 12:35

Maternity leave with 3 small children was often easier than teaching 30 five year olds, I have to say. BUT he sounds like an arse for saying that!

longapple · 10/01/2025 12:27

mondaytosunday · 10/01/2025 12:07

I was a sahp. When meeting anyone who asked me if I 'worked', I'd respond: 'yes, I work 24/7 as a mother'. It was only when they started school that I had a few hours break - and filled most of that time with laundry, cleaning, walking the dog etc, though did manage to get to the gym some mornings after drop off!
I remember a very career oriented work colleague of my DH. Always looked very glam, very organised, pristine house. She was very nice but I always got the impression she thought I was living the easy life. Then she had twins. Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

and that's your reaction to someone you thought was very nice who invited into their home finding twins hard work? you sound lovely.

makingdecisionsforme · 10/01/2025 12:24

Very interesting replies and quite the split to begin with but on the whole it's been eye opening to see so many actually do see maternity leave as living the dream.

I'm not sure I'd describe my first maternity leave as that but I did enjoy it more than being at work. And couldn't wait to be on mat leave again.

I think it's all relative isn't it because the same man was telling the table about his luxury Christmas break he had planned to Zanzibar, I was so jealous! A business class flight without kids to a luxury resort. Bliss! I also envied everyone who had got ready at the office and walked across the road vs me who was doing my hair during the 9am morning nap, second nap choosing between my own nap as I was exhausted or making food and finding an outfit.... then he only napped for 20 min late afternoon so had no time to get ready. Was sick on my first outfit and couldn't find anything else to wear. Rocked up 3 hours after everyone else. Was watching the clock wondering how much sleep I might get before the hourly wakes kicked in.

I must say my Friday (the day after) was a lot easier than going into the office! DH wfh and took DC1 to nursery, I paid for him to go in as plenty kids were out on holidays already and there was space. DH also took DC2 at some point in the afternoon and I had 3 hours worth of baby naps to myself.

Swings and roundabouts.

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SevenWeeks · 10/01/2025 12:24

'Living the dream' is not 'being on holiday'. You've said yourself that you feel 'motherhood is beautiful' - you are able to devote yourself fully to something you find 'beautiful' - if that isn't living your dream, what is?

PalePurplePumpkin · 10/01/2025 12:21

mondaytosunday · 10/01/2025 12:07

I was a sahp. When meeting anyone who asked me if I 'worked', I'd respond: 'yes, I work 24/7 as a mother'. It was only when they started school that I had a few hours break - and filled most of that time with laundry, cleaning, walking the dog etc, though did manage to get to the gym some mornings after drop off!
I remember a very career oriented work colleague of my DH. Always looked very glam, very organised, pristine house. She was very nice but I always got the impression she thought I was living the easy life. Then she had twins. Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

Or her priorities simply changed?

Or that's how she happened to look on that particular day?

You sound a bit gloaty here at the thought she may not have been coping well.

mondaytosunday · 10/01/2025 12:07

I was a sahp. When meeting anyone who asked me if I 'worked', I'd respond: 'yes, I work 24/7 as a mother'. It was only when they started school that I had a few hours break - and filled most of that time with laundry, cleaning, walking the dog etc, though did manage to get to the gym some mornings after drop off!
I remember a very career oriented work colleague of my DH. Always looked very glam, very organised, pristine house. She was very nice but I always got the impression she thought I was living the easy life. Then she had twins. Next time I saw her she was dressed in comfy joggers, hair a mess, a few dishes in the sink... oh, yes she found out what it's really like!

Groundhogday2025 · 10/01/2025 11:46

Some women love it, some hate it, some “meh” it.
Some have lovely, easy, reflux and colic free, chilled out babies and only one child at that. Others do not.

Juggling work and a baby (and other children) is hard, but for me I was ready to go back to work. When my toddler is at nursery she’s someone else’s problem. When I’m at work I get up and go to the toilet when I need to, I drink my drinks hot, I speak to other adults, I engage my brain in activities that aren’t nursery rhymes, when I want a break I take one, and I get paid a salary for it. And this break keeps me sane and makes me a better, more engaged mum as a result.

So he’s ignorant really. I’d have been annoyed too. Mostly that someone so clueless is in a managerial role.

AshCrapp · 10/01/2025 11:34

It's an ignorant comment.

Some women love mat leave. Some hate it. Some (me!) swing around and around between the two in a single day. I have a really vivid memory of my 3 month old waking up from his nap and me saying to myself "it's ok, only 270 minutes until his next nap, thats 27 lots of 10 minutes" and literally counting down the minutes. I also have a vivid memory of picking him up and stroking his cheek and thinking that this might actually be the single best moment of my entire life. All of this to say, maternity leave is different, difficult and wonderful - but it's bang out of order to comment on someone else's experience of it or try to make out like they're having it easy.

I also don't really get the "you have a wanted baby, of course you're living the dream" responses". I loved my DC as babies, but didn't enjoy that stage all that much. My dream wasn't to have a baby, it was to have a child. Everything from 2 onwards was living the dream, although by then I had to also work. So, any weekend or holiday from 2 years onwards was living the dream. The baby years were the necessary step to get there.

DaphneduMaureen · 10/01/2025 11:26

Not excusing his ignorant comments, but it sounds like he was just making incredibly bland and unimaginative small talk. The old tropes for lack anything better to say. I wouldn’t give it another thought.

Diomi · 10/01/2025 11:24

When people say things like this to me, I just say something like ‘I know, I’m really lucky’ and give them a sympathetic look.

I’m certainly not going to compete in the ‘who has the toughest life’ competition as it is not something I would ever want to win.

Glitchymn1 · 10/01/2025 11:12

I was living the dream, on the whole.

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