HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

OP just wanted to pop in and say how much I support you. There has been a lot of callousness, apologism and abuse towards other posters on threads on this subject. I've been posting in support of what you are asking for elsewhere. I'm not going to post on this one as I don't think as I can't face it tonight, but I wish you well. Agree it's despicable of C4 to show that documentary about that one girl now so that people like some of the ones who flock to post on threads like this can point to it to say it's all made up.

Most child sexual abuse is from other children (52%)

My response was based on your comment about white men doing it as well. I'm no stranger to white male violence (as I'm sure most of us aren't). But that isn't being discussed here. You've now posted about famous white men. You're really missing the point here.

I was meant to add; the reason for cover ups because some of the ones investigating are the same ones who behind closed doors are doing the same. That extends to everything else and it’s sad because we’ve family in the police, a complete different force, and they honestly do all they can to help victims with hearts of gold at home. I think more routine background screening needs to occur during the working relationship, not just at the start and I presume at promotional intervals.

I'll believe the police were worried about looking racist, when everyone explains why the police weren't worried about looking like misogynistic pedophile apologists who don't care about women and girls from deprived backgrounds.

The truth is that the all of these services are stretched to the fucking breaking point and that girls who aren't perfect victims, and dare to be poor or 'troubled" aren't worth worrying about. Unless you have parents who have the time and money to advocate for you, no one will give a shit.

Rape is basically legal for men in this country whether you're black, white or anywhere between.

I really wish someone would publish the details of what happened as its horrific and then people would be forced to face up to it all without this ridiculous deflection. It is evil and one of the worse things that has ever happened in this country. Unfortunately bbc etc are part of the underpaying, deflection and cover up.

I didn't say that.

I'm sure you've heard people say, absolutely adamant, that it is impossible for white people to be victims of racism. They will insist these girls were not victims of racism.

After Brexit, I don’t think the general public should be trusted with a referendum on anything ever again, never mind something as serious as this subject.

I think truthfully Labour will get to the bottom of this eventually, they just need more time to get round to it after the mess this country was left in by the previous lot. Some places like Yorkshire have been woefully left behind for many years and, as a strong Labour heartland Keir will be keen to win the hearts and souls of the people in those counties. So keep pressing the relevant people in your constituency OP and hopefully you’ll find some resolution on the matter.

Agree, it is actually irrelevant.

Like when there’s a discussion about rape and someone is banging on about false accusations.

Why? are us northerners too thick to vote on important issues?

Not sure judging by your response if you think I've posted on this before, but I haven't.

The police didn't do anything about these crimes because they don't care about these girls. To them, they are not even victims, these children are just "easy" and "asking for it".

The police ignored Savile's open abuse of vulnerable children in care homes for the same reasons. That and the fact that some of them are also committing the same crimes if they can.

The BBC viewed young teenage girls the same way. Revered DJ John Peel and a ton of others, plus still idolised pop and rock stars like Bowie and the Rolling Stones were also known to be abusing kids and got away with it.

In my school years in the 90s men were always hanging around the school gates trying to pick off vulnerable girls, even getting one (that I know of) pregnant during her gcses (of course she was shamed and the guy was not even mentioned).

When teen pregnancy stats were all in the headlines, no one made anything of the fact that most of the fathers of those babies were grown men in their twenties or older.

It's only very recently that young teenage girls have been seen by the establishment as what they really are, i.e. children and potentially victims of abuse.

Having visited somewhere once you haven’t had the experience of a young , poor often neglected child who would be a typical victim.

This abuse unfortunately happens in most west and South Yorkshire towns.

Whenever there is some sort of scandal there will be someone who wants to benefit from it for whatever reason.

Just because one person made up a story doesn’t negate the fact that there is a major sexual abuse scandal that goes on to this day.

Keighley is the consistuency where Labour MP Ann Cryer tried to bring attention to what was going on.

Referendum? No thank you.

Yes we are worried local inquiries would cover up the local cover ups we have all witnessed.

The people who live in the towns and cities want an independent and fair inquiry that covers the cope of all towns and cities where these crimes have happened. Dewsbury, batley, Huddersfield, Bradford, Oldham, Bolton the list goes on.

I’ve name changed for this comment because I need to protect my SD but I couldn’t read and run.

My SD was let down by the same social worker as Star. Her mother had 9 reports made against her by neighbours and friends yet the SW closed them down without speaking to dad and taking mums word ‘he wasn’t in the picture’ and on another occasion, dead. We had 50/50.

It all came out when my SD bravely informed her school of abuse by her mothers partner. The school called us, as she was living with us fully at this time and refusing to go to mums for 8 weeks which mum was happy with not seeing her or speaking to her despite out attempts. The school however also called mum to give a heads up. Mother and her partner both work for West Yorkshire Police. Family courts and eventually a new social worker deemed no further direct contact ever even though the police case was closed as NFA.

We went through our MP to understand the NFA as all evidence indicated the abuse - lots of professionals involved. The report into what happened stated it was a case of he said she said and as she was only 7 at the time of disclosure, it wouldn’t be taken further but if she recalls further details as she matures it can be looked into. The crime commissioner office was very apologetic and said ‘for what it’s worth, we believe SD’.

Both still work for WYP. The SW who failed and failed when abuse indicators were first reported obviously didn’t have anything to answer for because they had already left as did the Manager and another senior manager who is apparently involved in referrals.

I support you OP. They are all out to cover themselves and their reputation as well as perception. We however have decided to look forward and continue keeping SD safe, thriving and we haven’t made it a taboo subject because she done absolutely nothing wrong and should feel any shame etc because of another adult.

exactly! Seems suspiciously times to me that this would air exactly when the scandals have come back to light.

Ok, so following on from the question about why we could not investigate the recommendations of the 2022 inquiry and have another one - is that not what Jess Philips suggested? That there should be local investigations into the local situation? Are people worried that local investigations would continue to cover up inaction by local authorities in certain areas and feeling that it needs to be a national enquiry to counter that?

Yet women who grew up there have bravely shared their experiences with you on this thread. Some women cry rape. We know this. It's nothing new. Do we, as women, then not believe other women who tell us they have been raped? Of course we don't. Do you have any idea how hard it is for a child to come forward to disclosure sexual abuse? For those same children to have then been treated as they were, is Britain's shame.