HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

That would make perfect sense. But there would be no political capital out of that

No one's downplaying it. We've heard of little else for the last week

Fear of racism doesn't stop the police and other authorities when it comes to anti-terrorism. I just don't think the police prioritise violence against women in general, and the wrong sort of women (poor, powerless, voiceless) in particular. I do wonder how many informants the police have in these communities whom they need to stay in situ for assistance in ongoing investigations, regardless of what they are up to.

Some will be, but they won’t be part of a multigenerational conspiracy to do so, and won’t be using their religious or cultural views to say it’s ok to do so.

lots of men commit abhorrent crimes, but this thread is specifically about the cover up of crimes that fall into a specific bracket that hasn’t been fully investigated

@Donttellmewhatheknew it's such a emotive subject I don't think you understand.

Do you think it's OK to post to people who have really suffered.

It's not fair.

If people choose to riot it's their choice and responsibility. No one else's.

The BBC have been involved in some of the worst cases of abuse in this country. And with covering up those cases.

Abuse by white men.

@Kendodd Indeed. I only became aware of this in my 20s, having grown up in a very white, middle class village some miles out of Bradford. The school I went to only had one Asian pupil, the son of a doctor. My work and living in Manningham for a while showed me a darker side of Bradford.

Well, it's certainly part of it; local councillors, police, social workers etc have repeatedly been shown to have ignored, enabled and/or been involved in the abuse so it does seem a bit mad to suggest these same people be responsible for investigating themselves... but there's also the fact that a national enquiry is necessary to determine if any of the different gangs have anything in common, as then a national response can be implemented. Just investigating what happens in Oldham just tells you what happens in Oldham, and the findings and recommendations can't be applied to anywhere other than Oldham unless you've established that there are common factors. And the only way to establish there are common factors is a national enquiry.

For example, just saying the gangs are predominantly Pakistani Muslim doesn't really help as there are many Pakistani Muslim men who don't rape little girls with their friends and family. So what caused so many to do it in Oldham? Is it the same cause as why so many did it in Telford and elsewhere? Do all the rapists in the country know each? Are they part of the same charitable organisation, or are their mosques somehow related? Is it something cultural that intersects with something environmental, like poverty or lack of education? Without the investigation we can't know for sure - and without knowing for sure, many people will focus purely on the 'Pakistani Muslim' bit as that's the obvious link, ignoring the fact most Pakistani Muslims don't gang-rape little girls.

It actually seems strange to me that the left and 'anti-racists' aren't shouting the loudest for an investigation to determine what it is that made these particular Pakistani Muslim men gang-rape little girls, as once that has been established it can be firmly dealt with and the left and 'anti-racists' can point out it's only a sub-section of Pakistani Muslim males (who are being firmly dealt with) and that the vast majority are not involved. By refusing to investigate, or even really acknowledge an issue, they're just making it look like a cover-up - and that maybe there is a widespread problem with the entire community after all.

He hasn’t helped the situation has he? Mass redundancies are happening in my city, 400 from one predominant employer, my DP was made redundant from the SME company he worked for and I have been told it’s in the cards for mine.

People are angry, the block to the enquiry has angered people even more, so yes there will be unarranged protests that a few will turn into an opportunity to riot

Does anyone really believe that the male rioters weren't also sexual abusers? Extremely violent angry men with no emotional control.

The statistics on men who rape and who would be prepared to rape given the right circumstances is what you should be afraid of. What happened in France is what you should be terrified of. No one gives a shit. Not the police, not the media. The fact that these specific cases involve brown men make it useful for a certain sort of person. But they don't give a shit about the women involved.

There is some truth to the post. On twitter there are court case reports of the most horrific sexual abuse which the bbc and most newspapers have not reported on over the years.

Remember the 3 girls drama shown on bbc?

3 girls raped by Pakistani men , obviously horrific but in no way typical of what the victims went through. The abuse from the gangs was more like torture, trafficking, extreme violence and abuse.

And even in that drama they had to have a northern woman being racist 🙄

I just say what I see. I have only lost parts of my childhood from these gangs, would you be happy if your daughters where subjected to the abuse I posted earlier, daily? Like I was?

So if there are more riots that's Keir Starmer's fault?

@CornishIrish what a load of nonsense it's always been here, it exploded ages ago but since then we've had catastrophic life changing events globally.
Like credit crisis, isis chopping people's heads off and cutting throats in Westminster and covid and all the other horrendous things.
News is news what's today's news is tomorrow's fish and chip paper.

Of course people care and have always cared about that issue it's just there are an overwhelming amount of issues and abuse to worry and care about.

I'm thrilled it's back at the forefront of people's minds and I'm happy it's being debated again due to he nature and scale of it.

Andrew Norfolk, the Times journalist who wrote the story of these girls in 2011, gives an emotional interview. He gives a good insight into the issue.
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Well so far he has lost all the hearts and souls of pretty much every Yorkshire woman and man, it started with the riots in Leeds and will end in more riots sadly, especially as a lot of working class people are now facing unemployment.

The red wall fell before and it will fall again, Keir needs to understand the working class people he apparently represents - and the consensus is we don’t feel represented.

I now live in a very middle class area of Yorkshire - so there is absolutely no way I can convince my local Labour MP of anything. As the gangs aren’t coming here and taking the girls off the streets, but I will never forget where I came from - In fact I cant, I have severe anxiety that stems from some of the things I have witnessed and heard (including a period of severe agoraphobia which has a direct link to things that happened in my childhood, some of which I listed up thread). When I say I gave a MN approved version of things that I witnessed when I grew up I mean it.

The only way I can contribute atm is supporting petitions like the ops, demanding justice and educating people via the internet on what is truely happening locally. Call me a Tory bot, call me a liar, I don’t care - I know I am correct and on the right side of justice.

And alot of these cases are actually rape torture of 12 year old and under if you read Elons posts on X.

Just before I go. These are proven facts. They come from Court transcripts of "grooming gang" trials. Elon Musk's dissemination of them is totally irrelevant and has zero bearing on their factual nature. Hope that helps.