HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

We do definitively need to get the full picture of what is happening and what happened in the past, all the details and factors behind it. And take drastic action to stop it and never ever again have anything of this kind.
In our primary and secondary, they do quite hammer the concept of grooming and consent into the kids. They do have regular police chats too, where they talk to them about these issues, abuse at home, how to contact someone for help, drugs... name it, they have this. I think it is the best way of defense.
We need to address this with our children, warn them of what has happened in the past, how groomers act, including how particular groups like these specific gangs act, have the difficult talks.
I hope you get a resolution OP. You and all the women who have been raped and assaulted. And to the boys and young men too, because it is starting to look to me like very young gay or bi boys are being mistreated just as much and extensively as young women.

Well if you do engage with me again, please explain how acknowledging that rape is endemic throughout society in every country that has men regardless of the ethnic or religious makeup of the population is a dismissal of harms to females around the world. It's certainly something I've never been accused of so I am curious to your reasoning.

Trying to frame rape as race issue when it's about systemic misogyny harms women and girls. I live in these areas that are being discussed. I don't see how scapegoating brown men will make my vulnerable autistic teen daughter safer when it has been white men who have harassed her.

Make the police prosecute rape. Don't let them make any excuses. You're letting them off. You're giving them the out of saying they were afraid to look racist. Make them afraid to look sexist.

This is the last time I am going to engage with you because your dismissal of harms to female children and women globally is despicable.

My words mean nothing to you because you don't 'care. That's a you problem.

Many people do care.

Dialogue essentially, is the answer to all things. Not judgement from any one side, no hatred or finger pointing, just talking and working together for the betterment of everyone involved.

100%.

Pretending it doesn't exist helps no one and perpetuates racism and misunderstanding.

You're typing words but they don't mean anything.

Brushing inconvenient facts under the carpet doesn't help women and girls.

You know that but don't care.

I'd say millenniums.

I see a lot of comments like “easy meat” and passed around like “a piece of meat” which is hugely provocative and nice for a headline, but I think it is a little too simplistic to be taken at face value. When you look at the Pakistani heritage community in a lot of these northern working class towns, what you see is a communal, tightly knit, socially conservative but highly spiritual network of families that live in a society that in many ways is completely alien to them. It would be like hundreds of English families being transported to Kyoto in Japan and then left to their own devices. For the people in these communities, they see the way we dress and behave (which is absolutely our right by the way) and for some it can be quite confusing, it goes against the way they see the world and how it should be.

I think what’s needed is a coming together of community elders on one side, and Labour councillors from these towns and cities on the other, and a proper hashing out of what we as a modern, multicultural society expect from one another, in order to solve any issues that there might be.

Dialogue essentially, is the answer to all things. Not judgement from any one side, no hatred or finger pointing, just talking and working together for the betterment of everyone involved.

And also the conviction of anyone involved in any crimes that may have been committed to young girls, like the ones who are sharing their horrific stories on this thread.

You are right, makes you wonder if there are people higher up who don't want this to come out and are blocking investigations.Just look at Epstein.

"Difficult conversations have to be had. You are playing into the hands of ALL men by refusing to acknowledge the issue."

I'm sorry but that is a complete and utter cop out.

Filed under too difficult just like the poor women of Afghanistan who are subjugated by some Muslim men to the point they can't talk to each other and are not educated.

Not ALL muslim men treat women badly and certainly not ALL second generation muslim Pakistani men form groups to target white children to torture and rape because they see them as 'white slags' because of the way they dress or because they see non- muslim females as 'easy meat', but some do, unless you are saying that these children and young women are lying?

Difficult conversations have to be had. You are playing into the hands of ALL men by refusing to acknowledge the issue.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat

I still can't quite believe how nuts people went over the Sun losing its teenage boobs and "hilarious"jokes about women having opinions on the news while topless.

I remember a front page of the Sun once. Teenage girl, with a pushchair 'I don't know who may baby's dad is'. The article talked about how it could be any one of a large number of men. The whole tone of the article was - what a slag. I don't remember any criticism of the men. This was probably peak teenage mother, benefits, council flat, criticism.

Also, can we just remember the Sun has Sam Fox on page 3 age 16.

I think you must have mixed me up with someone else but please report any posts you feel violated the MN t&c

I'm not interested in learning. I know exactly why they did it. They did it because they could. This is why rape is used in every war. Why all your favourite male musicians have got revolting stories of underage groupies.

Because our society doesn't give a shit about women.

There are no sacred castes other than the group collectively known as "men". 😒

But if I were to post a thread calling for inquiries into why men are basically being allowed to rape legally I don't think it would go down well on MN. Because people don't actually care about that. They care about one small group that are getting away with the same thing as all other men because they happen to be brown. This is a massive issue that has nothing to do with race.

Because another national enquiry will do what exactly?

I think a lot of people genuinely want change but they are being gaslit by the buck passers and agitators who give zero fucks about the victims. National enquiry’s take years and they aren’t the magic bullet that people want them to be.

The chair of the last enquiry, Baroness Jay, has made it clear that the recommendations from her report need to be put into practice and the time for buck passing is over. The local areas where this is happening have had more then enough time to get their houses in order and the cries for another national enquiry, is just a cynical way to do sod all in plain fucking sight. There will probably be an enquiry and Reform and Elon will claim victory and the local governments who have power to affect change will claim they can’t do anything while an enquiry is ongoing.

The sad depressing truth is that there are far too many men, who see children and women as fair game. Just when you think the depravity of some men could not get worse, it always does. Just when you think the laziness and or incompetence of so called professionals could not get any worse, it always does.

Did race play apart in these crimes, yes it did, in the same ways that other paedophiles of other races cynically leverage power and bank on the silence of individuals and organisations who know better but choose not to do better.

I have just listened to a Radio 4 broadcast over a list of members of a Paedophile advocacy group, dating back 40 years. The Police had the list in their possession but hadn’t done anything with it. These men supported the lowering of the age of consent to four years old! The membership included teachers, head teachers, social workers etc.

I do not believe that fear of racism or the race of the children was the overriding factor for why this was not tackled. These children were vulnerable and came from disadvantaged backgrounds and thus easy to ignore or discredit.

Sadly the tolerance for violence and exploitation of children and women is still far too high and is a disgrace. Yes I want change and I want an end to the excuses but the way that this has been weaponised leaves a bad taste in the mouth.

Another fucking enquiry is only going to kick the can further down the road and while all fingers are pointing at another politician who talks a good game when it suits them, this is still happening.

https://archive.ph/VPkPI

in the times today about the victims

Agree re more stop and search powers too - of loitering cars as well

@Itsverycold it's fucking horrendous - why no media interest? Why no funding? Have there been protest marches in these towns and cities? Risk of riots would be the reason given but risk of attention and justified outcry more like.
We need to keep the momentum going on this - literally 1000s of lives being ruined, probably 10,000s, with more perpetrators being created as this criminal family rape culture mushrooms unabated.

I was stopped and searched. I was fhe random tenth person they stopped ij the train station that day. I happily showed the inside of my handbag and got my train home from work. To then get abused by south asain males when I got off the train in my home town. Called the police - cobwebs….

I actually think there should be more stop and search powers. Even though I was a “victim” of one.

in fairness the officers who stopped me thanked me for my cooperation and told me my handbag (a trendy large shopper from the market) wasn’t very secure and gave me some advice on how to not get pick pocketed. That was almost twenty years ago though when the police sometimes did some actual policing

If you are interested in investigating why a group of seemingly normal, middle class white men acted as a group to rape a drugged Giselle Pellicot you should be equally interested to understand how groups of Pakistani men of Muslim religion acted as a group to sodomise and violently rape white children.

They are all violent men and we should have no sacred castes.

Yes it has and since they reduced stop and search alot more mostly black men have been stabbed and died. Another thing the left don't care about.

there is no funding, there is nothing - because apparently it is not happening according to the authorities and all governments involved.

Despite the last inquiry and despite people seeing it with their eyes or sadly young girls living it.

Thankyou OP and all other PP sharing their horrible experiences. So sorry for you and I hope you're ok now - brilliant you're using that to fight for other young girls. It's utterly horrific and heartbreaking for all these girls.
Totally agree we need action on the existing inquiry AND a new focussed one specifically looking at these long established networks of highly organised rapists from a specific Pakistani region.
These and all girls need to be protected, and these disgusting men need to be locked up/booted out/ dropped in the ocean.
There needs to be specific funding allocated to prevent this continuing asap. Which charities work in this area- lots of victim support stuff like Women's Aid etc but is there anything that protects girls and helps stop this happening, gives them a safe space?
Maybe we need something like youth centres entirely for girls with classes, support, networking etc. Boys could have one too run by anti gang charities/ people like Andrew Bernie Bernard to help prevent boys getting into these revolting rape gangs. Starmers promised more spending and I'd put this at the top - it's a real risk to the fabric of society if you ask me.