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HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

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bradfordisdamned · 09/01/2025 17:39

I know this is a horrible subject.

This news article from today shows how much it's being ignored here

After the death of Star Hobson, Bradford was stripped of its child protective services because it was completely unfit.

It continues to be an absolute disaster. I feel that this nightmare is being ignored because Bradford just so happens to be the city of culture for 2025. It's being ignored for many more reasons than that of course, but this is completely and utterly unacceptable. I think officials just don't want to be accused of racism and our children continue to suffer because of it.

Can you please help me make some noise with this? I am going to be writing to my MP, but this needs more attention. We need to put pressure on prominent people to get a public enquiry underway. Rejecting it is despicable. They just don't want to admit we have a major problem.

I am pasting the article here because unfortunately the newspaper site can be riddled with ads that sometimes make it unusable, but I didn't want to ask for Mumsnet help without providing sources.

I don't think I'm being unreasonable to want this enquiry to go ahead. I think Mumsnet will agree with me. Thank you in advance.

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Officials reject new calls for public inquiry on child abuse

A PUBLIC inquiry examining child sexual abuse in the Bradford area is "unlikely to provide us with any new learning", according to the district's safeguarding partnership.
In the House of Commons on Monday, Robbie Moore, Tory MP for Keighley and Ilkley, said "rape gangs and child grooming" have "haunted" the district "for decades" - and he again accused local leaders of refusing to launch an inquiry.

He added that he feared the scale of child sexual abuse and exploitation across the Bradford district would "dwarf that of Rotherham".

In 2014, a report by Professor Alexis Jay described how more than 1,400 children were sexually exploited by gangs of mainly Asian males in Rotherham, South Yorkshire, between 1997 and 2013.

Phillipa Hubbard, of the Bradford District Safeguarding Children Partnership, responded to Mr Moore's remarks by saying: "The national Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, which was published in October 2022 and to which Bradford contributed, has made it very clear that this is a national issue.

"Like many local authorities up and down the country, we know that agencies in our district have made mistakes in the past.
"This is why we commissioned an independent review into child sexual exploitation which was published in 2021 so that all the agencies in our district who work with children can implement the learning from past cases.

"The review was extremely detailed and thorough, and was written by an independent author. It looked in-depth at local and national learning and best practice.
"In addition to the review, our multi-agency safeguarding team undergoes regular independent scrutiny from Ofsted and the partnership also publishes an annual report, which anyone can read and which is open to public scrutiny.

"All the local agencies who are working in our district to keep children safe are committed to continued development and improvement.
"The view of our partnership remains that a public inquiry would cost a huge amount of money, use precious officer time and is unlikely to provide us with any new learning that would better-protect children from being abused."

In response, Mr Moore said: "This is a complete and utter dereliction of duty.
"The Council says its 2021 review was 'detailed', but it focused on just five children.
"Meanwhile, the Rotherham inquiry focused on the experiences of over 1,400 children.
"The idea that a Bradford inquiry would bring about no new information is an outright falsehood - and I am completely shocked by these comments.

Officials reject fresh calls for public inquiry on child abuse in Bradford

A public inquiry examining child sexual abuse in the Bradford area is "unlikely to provide us with any new learning", according to the…

https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24843152.officials-reject-new-calls-public-inquiry-child-abuse/

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JessiesJ99 · 09/01/2025 19:39

NorthernSoul55 · 09/01/2025 19:37

Have you read the Guarduan article? It was the police, not the council, who requested that the documentary wasn't shown as scheduled because the BNP were using it as election propaganda and elections were about to take place.
The documentary was shown in August 2004.

Police / Council it doesn't really matter. Of course they work v closely and would have had discussions before approaching C4.

Kendodd · 09/01/2025 19:39

KnittingOnEmpty · 09/01/2025 17:57

But there have been several enquiries yet the recommendations have not been acted upon (by the previous govt).

I agree.
It's long past the time for talking, enquires, it's been done, no more, it just kicks the can of actually doing something about it down the road. Putting recommendations into action and making some big changes, not just for child rape victims but for adult rape victims as well.

NorthernSoul55 · 09/01/2025 19:37

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:07

There is a massive problem with grooming gangs in a lot of towns and cities in west and South Yorkshire.

I don’t think the fake grooming allegations are relevant here.

I grew up in one of these towns and Pakistani Muslim would harass the schoolgirls in town, sat in their cars outside schools and cars homes and exploited ie raped and sexually abused the most vulnerable children.

Bradford has had issues with the council since the early 2000s not wanting to stoke tensions.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

As I understand the Pakistani men who emigrated to the northern towns were from the most uneducated areas of Pakistan where misogyny is rife and brought these attitudes towards women over.

Have you read the Guarduan article? It was the police, not the council, who requested that the documentary wasn't shown as scheduled because the BNP were using it as election propaganda and elections were about to take place.
The documentary was shown in August 2004.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 19:35

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Wonderberry · 09/01/2025 19:33

You will find a lot of deflection on this thread as people do not want to acknowledge that there is a problem with peadophile gangs within the Asian community. This deflection will not help past, present and future victims however. Would you mind sharing a template letter for us to write to our MPs?

JessiesJ99 · 09/01/2025 19:33

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:07

There is a massive problem with grooming gangs in a lot of towns and cities in west and South Yorkshire.

I don’t think the fake grooming allegations are relevant here.

I grew up in one of these towns and Pakistani Muslim would harass the schoolgirls in town, sat in their cars outside schools and cars homes and exploited ie raped and sexually abused the most vulnerable children.

Bradford has had issues with the council since the early 2000s not wanting to stoke tensions.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

As I understand the Pakistani men who emigrated to the northern towns were from the most uneducated areas of Pakistan where misogyny is rife and brought these attitudes towards women over.

That article is wild. I mean I already knew of course but 🤬🤬🤬 We can't function as a civilised society when we have the police scared to police because of potential unrest. A bit like the rioting Romas somewhere in the Midlands/ North (??? 😅) last summer because one of their own had their children removed.

Tisthedamnseason · 09/01/2025 19:29

This is a genuine question because I know there could be issues I'm not aware of.

What was wrong with the 7 year enquiry that already happened and the recommendations (not implemented by the Tories) that came from that in 2022? Wouldn't it be better to push for Labour to accept those recommendations ASAP, rather than start another enquiry?

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:28

Adamante · 09/01/2025 19:27

Indeed. You'd think then that our brand new, completely different and supposedly more efficient government would want to conduct their own strenuous investigations and immediately put in place all recommendations wouldn't you? I wonder why they don't want to? 🤔

Why do you think ?

I don’t know what you are insinuating.

thisfilmisboring123 · 09/01/2025 19:28

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 19:25

So what are people saying here?

That there were no actual paedophile rings consisting of mostly British born Pakistani men or that there was no cover up?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/08/twelve-men-sentenced-for-sexual-exploitation-of-keighley-teenager

This is a borough of Bradford.

Was about to ask the same.

It would appear so?!
Also, apparently people aren’t bothered about appearing racist either, erm ok then

Adamante · 09/01/2025 19:27

KnittingOnEmpty · 09/01/2025 17:57

But there have been several enquiries yet the recommendations have not been acted upon (by the previous govt).

Indeed. You'd think then that our brand new, completely different and supposedly more efficient government would want to conduct their own strenuous investigations and immediately put in place all recommendations wouldn't you? I wonder why they don't want to? 🤔

bradfordisdamned · 09/01/2025 19:21

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Bradford has a massive problem and we need help, not more sweeping under the carpet to save face.

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GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:20

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It’s not silly gossip .

The reality is that there are many Pakistani men in northern town who continue to sexually abuse the most vulnerable girls in society.

No one in their right mind would say that all Pakistanis are paedophiles.

However there is a problem with the Pakistani men who have emigrated to post industrial towns, as uncomfortable as it clearly makes you feel.

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 19:16

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OneTC · 09/01/2025 19:11

thisfilmisboring123 · 09/01/2025 19:07

And how do you know it wasn’t a fear of racism?

Since when have people actually been scared of appearing racist?

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:10

thisfilmisboring123 · 09/01/2025 19:07

And how do you know it wasn’t a fear of racism?

I would say because the police themselves would be unashamedly racist towards the Pakistani immigrants,

if for example we (as teenagers) were harassed by any of the men when we were walking through town and then spoke to a police officer a typical response would be

‘they’re [racist word for Pakistani’s] what do you expect, you know what they’re like’

Hotflushesandchilblains · 09/01/2025 19:08

Wont another national enquiry will postpone implementation of the recommendations of the one in 2022? Its already shocking that they were not implemented immediately. On the other hand, each area also has different circumstances and factors present, and so there needs to be some work on implementing the national recommendations locally and adding any further ones needed.

thisfilmisboring123 · 09/01/2025 19:07

GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 18:26

Agree and having grown up in a town notorious for the child sex abuse gangs the issue was never a fear of racism. It was that the police and the council and even the teachers had no interest in the girls affected.

And how do you know it wasn’t a fear of racism?

bradfordisdamned · 09/01/2025 19:07

I am sick and tired of this being downplayed.

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GooseMoose2 · 09/01/2025 19:07

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There is a massive problem with grooming gangs in a lot of towns and cities in west and South Yorkshire.

I don’t think the fake grooming allegations are relevant here.

I grew up in one of these towns and Pakistani Muslim would harass the schoolgirls in town, sat in their cars outside schools and cars homes and exploited ie raped and sexually abused the most vulnerable children.

Bradford has had issues with the council since the early 2000s not wanting to stoke tensions.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

As I understand the Pakistani men who emigrated to the northern towns were from the most uneducated areas of Pakistan where misogyny is rife and brought these attitudes towards women over.

Channel 4 pulls abuse film after police fears

2.15pm: Channel 4 has postponed a documentary about Bradford social workers dealing with child abuse from its schedule tonight after police warned it could inflame racial tension in the city. By Jason Deans.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2004/may/20/channel4.broadcasting1

Menopausalsourpuss · 09/01/2025 19:05

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That documentary was despicable at a time like this. 10s of thousands of real victims versus 1 fake victim and they choose to focus on her. And you are despicable for buying into it.

JustSawJohnny · 09/01/2025 18:58

I feel that this nightmare is being ignored because Bradford just so happens to be the city of culture for 2025.

Evidence? 'Feelings' are just that.

Also, what's wrong with the enquiry that's already happened?

Surely it's time to act on the National enquiry that's already happened rather than waste millions, and years, doing another one?

Donttellmewhatheknew · 09/01/2025 18:56

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OneTC · 09/01/2025 18:56

You trust a load of paedo enablers?

Alright then

lifeturnsonadime · 09/01/2025 18:42

OneTC · 09/01/2025 18:21

Always thought the "didn't want to look like a racist but happy to look like a paedo enabler" sounds a bit suspect.

The reality is no one in positions of power gives much of a fuck about poor people of any skin colour

Well two things can be true at once.

Unless you are saying that witnesses are actually lying which I find extremely far fetched.

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