HELP! [Child rape gangs in Bradford]

Honestly, I'll stop engaging, as you seem to be deliberately misinterpreting a very sensitive issue. It's tactless at best, victim blaming at worst.

Many victims are vulnerable, as are there families (as was the case for many of the Bradford victims). For this reason, the onus for safeguarding should not be placed on them.

Did you not read the bit where I said they should be held to account?

Are you saying a parent isnt responsible for safeguarding their child? I asked what you are going to do that is a question. You keep saying they've done nothing so I ask again, what now?

You said you don't know what happened. Then nothing happened. We all know how difficult it is to get sex offenders to court. The school could've tried but had nothing to go on and the police NFA'd it. As it wasn't you involved then you weren't entitled to be told what was the investigation or outcome. Something could've happened or it might not have done. As you say we don't know. It should've done. I said it again so you can read it again and scan past it again.

You are placing the onus of safeguarding on children and parents, when it should be on the school, regarding issues within the school. This sounds like victim blaming.

What I know for certain is that these teachers continued to work at the school.

I was not abused, but knew if others who were. In fact, we all knew. Perhaps very outing, but one of the abusers (male) was even found in the girls' dorm, by another staff member. Still nothing happened.

You said you knew nothing happened. Now you are saying you don't know. I agree so.ething should've happened but no one knows what has gone on behind the scenes. Getting someone arrested is as rare as hens teeth. You mum did fail to report it. If she reported in school and nothing happened/don't know what happened and she didn't act to keep you safe and kept sending you despite having evidence these ppl were abusing you and your mates then that is a lack of safeguarding on her behalf. EAL or not.

So in your situation I wouldn't be happy that my daughter was experiencing such things in school. No kid should be and the school should be held to account. Nothing had happened so what next? What is your next action?

I don't think it's fair to have blamed my mum in this situation. English is not her first language, and she was not born here. The school told her they would report to the police. I don't know if this happened, but both staff members continued to be employed by the school. The fault firmly lay in the lack of education regarding safeguarding and lack of clear safeguarding protocols.

I have tried to have accountability regarding my daughter's school, but unfortunately there has been no change. The racist comments even came from a teacher on one occasion, and while the teacher admitted to this, and it was witnessed by a whole class, they are also still employed by the school.

You were talking about flaws in the education system and I added onto that.

As I said I didn't as this situation wasn't considered a problem back then as the kids were considered prostitutes as the definition stated they were. So they were treated as such not as victims. Your mum could've reported it to the police if there were concerns. She didn't.

I'm sorry your daughter experiences this in school the perpetrators of this should be held to account by the school.

You are talking about flaws with the education system. I'm sure they are many. It did come across as accusing me of 'victim blaming'.

For example, I had no education about safeguarding whatsoever. I'm in my 30s, and while I was at school there were 2 teachers who the pupils knew were peadophiles. I didn't know how or who to raise it to. I told my mum, who tried to raise it with the school, but nothing happened. Clear education and clear safeguarding could have prevented further victims.

I have asked my daughter's school extensively for better education regarding pshe and citizenship, especially considering the racism that she has experienced at school, but nothing has improved.

I didn't say you were victim blaming. I was commenting on how the education system should teach it but they do not. It is a victim blaming education system where they get taught 'what did the child do wrong' or 'what should she have noticed?' When that isn't how it should be taught. It is also retraumatising for many who are suffering it and having to sit there and be told what did the child do wrong.

RSE is all over the shop I agree Im surprised that grooming even online safety etc hasnt been part of yoir childs education at all. They should be taught about it in different subjects that groomers exist. She/he may get it in future. I wasn't taught it as it was classed as child prostitution back then. In fact the definition still uses that theory and puts the child as to blame within which isn't helpful.

We need to start with the definition and then once we have a definition that isn't victim blaming then education might follow that isn't.

Prevention would work better if we held them to account. Where I live was at level 2 out of 4 at safeguarding and was all about punishing the child and taking their phones off them etc. It is now at level 4 after I specifically said it was disgusting it is at level 2 and challenged why countless times.

We need to hold these ppl to account. It isn't an entry level crime. If we held them to account before for other crimes that came before we may prevent these.

You have completely misinterpreted my post. I said nothing about victim blaming, and if you see my earlier posts on the thread, I am wholly supportive of victims. I find it quite shocking that you would interpret my above post, regarding education, as 'victim blaming'. I have said nothing of the sort.

This is part of prevention, as part of a multi-faceted approach.

Unfortunately education is not universal, as mentioned, my teenager currently in school has not received it. I also did not.

They are educated on this information but the responsibility should not be placed on children to spot grooming which professionals fail to spot. Kids will likely fail to spot it even when educated on it and it isn't fair if we put the lessons to them that now they know they can avoid being raped as that is not how things work. Also they will be less likely to raise concerns if they feel it was their duty to spot it before it happened as they will feel they have caused it by not spotting it. We should not be teaching kids that it is their responsibility to not get raped. A victim blaming education will not work. We need one that is supportive of victims and educates them but that places them as not being at fault if it does happen.

I think all girls (and boys, especially focusing on consent) should be educated on healthy relationships, and what is exploitative. Education should include what to look out for in terms of grooming and how to raise concerns.

I didn't receive this education in school, and my teenager hasn't either.

The answer lies in protecting victims and potential victims.

Educate at risk girls at a young age.

Strengthen their prospects and make their education a priority.

Put money into social services so that the most vulnerable girls who are at home but being neglected or who are in care are protected.

Have no tolerance for cat calling, verbal abuse, loitering on the street and harassment of women.

Educate teachers and the staff of care homes, punish for turning a blind eye.

It is the victims that matter.

Inspirational TV programs will not help the victims of child abuse. We are talking gang rape and trafficking here, the Pakistani diaspora being underrepresented on tv is not the priority.

For me, it’s up to the current government to sort this issue out. Is it Labour’s fault? No. But they inherited this broken country and they need to get to to work mending it before things get out of hand.

What I think needs to happen is this

1. set up a task force to deal with CSE nationwide, with no specific agenda in mind but to go after anyone who deals in the abuse of children.
2. Silence the bad faith actors who are using this issue to spread fear and hate. Prosecutions, freezing bank accounts, shutting down social media sites (basically X) whatever it takes really.
3. Commission positive & inspirational stories for broadcast television that goes into showing the life of Pakistani heritage people in this country, how they live and interact on a daily basis.

Well if you do engage with me again, please explain how acknowledging that rape is endemic throughout society in every country that has men regardless of the ethnic or religious makeup of the population is a dismissal of harms to females around the world. It's certainly something I've never been accused of so I am curious to your reasoning.

Trying to frame rape as race issue when it's about systemic misogyny harms women and girls. I live in these areas that are being discussed. I don't see how scapegoating brown men will make my vulnerable autistic teen daughter safer when it has been white men who have harassed her.

Make the police prosecute rape. Don't let them make any excuses. You're letting them off. You're giving them the out of saying they were afraid to look racist. Make them afraid to look sexist.

i despise making this political but I will bite. Every single one of the towns and cities this happened in was run by a local Labour government. The red wall fell mainly after the next GEs after the scandal broke and then people in these towns started voting Tory. It’s literally on the Wikipedia page for Rotherham.

For me, it’s up to the current government to sort this issue out. Is it Labour’s fault? No. But they inherited this broken country and they need to get to to work mending it before things get out of hand.

What I think needs to happen is this

1. set up a task force to deal with CSE nationwide, with no specific agenda in mind but to go after anyone who deals in the abuse of children.
2. Silence the bad faith actors who are using this issue to spread fear and hate. Prosecutions, freezing bank accounts, shutting down social media sites (basically X) whatever it takes really.
3. Commission positive & inspirational stories for broadcast television that goes into showing the life of Pakistani heritage people in this country, how they live and interact on a daily basis.

It's only whataboutery if you think Asian men are the real problem in this country and not just another small subset of a problem of male on female violence. Do you? I don't.

Some of us have longer memories and remember when in 2015 the same people blaming brown people now, were blaming Eastern Europeans for running the rape gangs.

The same Eastern Europeans are still here (Brexit changing literally nothing) but suddenly they're not in the news now. Did Brexit make them change their minds on raping, or did Farage and the rest change the scape goat?

The majority of rapists in this country are white. I'd put money on most posters here being against an inquiry into why white rapists never seem to be caught and convicted?

In general, abuse is not linked to race or class or education.... Unfortunatelly, we have seen repeated rapes and abuses from all sorts. Epstein, Westein, the catholic church...
But, if there is an specific issue unfolding, with characteristics associated to race, religion, class, status... whatever, that gives us a clear pattern, we must talk about it openly. We need to point the finger to the specific issue, warn our children yet about this specifics. It is because this doubting and double checking and questioning so which leads to the fear of being accused of .... = inaction! Inaction in such a grievious matter
= harm to children.
First thing is to snap out of it and say it all. Otherwise people will keep quiet.

I thought that Alexus Jay had said that abusers were not more from one ethnicity than another, including those who have acted together? They all need firm treatment, but with no help from the pussy grabbing USA, and its websites which allow all sorts of vice to go on.