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Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

OP posts:
Snowedon · 09/01/2025 18:31

@Ceecee2422 I'm ill because it's winter, and a lot of crap is going around. My partner caught it too

OP posts:
Snowedon · 09/01/2025 18:30

@Custardslices I missed one appointment dear. I think it takes a lot more than that for ss to give it a time of day. I've I missed countless or multiple then sure. Stop over dramatising or is stressing heavily pregnant women your thing

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Ceecee2422 · 09/01/2025 18:26

They’re maybe concerned that the reason you’re also ill is because of GD and so quite concerned about finding out if you have it or not as can have serious implications for the baby too such as not being able to breathe on delivery. I’d try not to get too worked up about it all, just state to your midwife next time how you are being made to feel and she’ll probably explain why they appeared.

rainythursdayontheavenue · 09/01/2025 18:23

I'm type 2 diabetic, and have to use a particular brand of tester as it's like getting blood out of a stone otherwise.
https://www.accu-chek.co.uk/products/lancing/fastclix

Otherwise ring your GP surgery and ask them for single disposable hospital grade ones, they're vicious but work.

Pumpkinpie1 · 09/01/2025 18:23

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

You are ill and failing to do what you need to do - not testing for GD that’s serious.
I hope you feel better soon OP but don’t moan because the midwives are looking after you because you aren’t .

RedOrangeSky · 09/01/2025 18:22

Whiteskies · 09/01/2025 17:54

The OP refers to 'free will and rights' which implies all the rights are on her side. She does not mention the responsibilities that come with rights. Personal responsibilities are important. a person has the right to refuse medical care unless they are pregnant and more than 24 weeks and the baby is healthy. The midwives were acting responsibly in trying to ensure that the OP takes care of herself and her baby.
Do you remember the frantic search for Constance Marten when she went missing heavily pregnant. Now I hope that the OP is nothing like Constance, I am sure she is not. But that particular case is a reason why Health Authorities believe it is their responsibility to check on the welfare of pregnant mothers.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/28/missing-couple-constance-marten-and-mark-gordon-arrested-search-for-baby-continues

Pregnant women have the right to refuse medical care as long as they have capacity. I think you are making up the law.

But the op has never refused care.

This is nothing like that tragic case which I suspect was a lot more complicated and probably involved failures of multiple services somewhere along the way.

tothelefttotheleft · 09/01/2025 18:21

Crazycatlady79 · 09/01/2025 15:16

If you felt they were condescending etc, surely you challenged that there and then?

If I'd just woken up to an unannounced visit I wouldn't have known if I was coming or going?

Custardslices · 09/01/2025 18:20

I wouldn't be surprised if you get a social services referral from them.

It's a safeguarding concern missing appointments for the welfare of both baby and mum. Their tact wasn't professional but definitely they've referred you

edam · 09/01/2025 18:15

My sister was horribly patronised by midwives about her gestational diabetes and taking antidepressants. She's a nurse! Who had discussed it all very throughly with her doctors. But that wasn't good enough for those bullies.
Some health professionals are appalling - a friend of mine saw four members of staff surround a frail elderly patient and threaten her with being charged for her hospital bed if she didn't sod off and free up the space. The poor woman needed home care to be arranged before she could leave. The hospital issued a half-hearted apology but you wonder how many other vulnerable patients have been threatened and harassed - these people clearly felt entitled to behave in such a disgraceful manner

BeMellowSeal · 09/01/2025 18:15

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Throughthebluebells · 09/01/2025 18:13

Forgot to mention, in this weather, warm your hands up with warm water and make sure you drink plenty before trying to test. Then stand up and make sure your hand is hanging down by your side to get the blood flowing before pricking it.

Throughthebluebells · 09/01/2025 18:10

YABU. You are not coming over well on your later posts either.

The midwives are doing their job and it sounds like they were met with hostility (you said you wouldn't have let them in if you had a choice) so probably not surprising they were defensive and demanding.

You are making poor excuses for not doing the GD finger-pricking - it's not exactly difficult, even if you are sick and in bed. Anyone can collect the lancets for you or just order online for next day delivery.

The baby's health needs to be taken seriously and if you are sick, then even more reason for them to check on you. Most people would be grateful that medical professionals are going out of their way to check up on sick people.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 09/01/2025 18:08

I have only skimmed, so apologies if someone else has suggested this, @Snowedon - but did you know that deacon will send you a free, wearable glucose monitor to try out? I use them for type 2 diabetes, and they are really easy to apply and to use - you get the readings to an app on your phone. Freestyle Libre do the same thing. The deacon sensors last 10 days, and the Freestyke Libre ones last a week, so you could get 17 days of blood sugar monitoring for free.

Birdscratch · 09/01/2025 18:07

You’re under 4 different teams? It sounds like they had a genuine concern for your wellbeing and, though you have reasons, you haven’t been testing for GD. If you’ve been ill for weeks I’d have thought you’d be glad that someone had come to check on you and your baby.

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 18:07

Again, not to say I won't continue with the GD TEST. Which fyi I'm doing now as we speak. And again, despite 7 attempts and split fingers/bruises, have failed to get a reading. Had a nice little panic attack afterwards though because I'm obviously such a bad mum for putting my baby at risk when I genuinely can not get my fingers to play ball

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Snowedon · 09/01/2025 18:05

@Whiteskies oh please give over. Comparing my situation to the likes of people who are abusive and neglectful is insane. I have a DC. They are healthy, happy, go to school, fed well, dressed and loved.

I know what I'm doing with this pregnancy

I think a massive oversight is that I am NOT diagnosed with gd. This all started because baby measured SLIGHTLY over the average at my 20th week scan. So far I've had two more measurements done and both came back only 2/3 days ahead in growth which they were not conceded about. My partner is 6"5. I am tiny. Everyone in his family is large. My DC was big and I suspect this one will be too because of his genes.

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Whiteskies · 09/01/2025 17:54

The OP refers to 'free will and rights' which implies all the rights are on her side. She does not mention the responsibilities that come with rights. Personal responsibilities are important. a person has the right to refuse medical care unless they are pregnant and more than 24 weeks and the baby is healthy. The midwives were acting responsibly in trying to ensure that the OP takes care of herself and her baby.
Do you remember the frantic search for Constance Marten when she went missing heavily pregnant. Now I hope that the OP is nothing like Constance, I am sure she is not. But that particular case is a reason why Health Authorities believe it is their responsibility to check on the welfare of pregnant mothers.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/feb/28/missing-couple-constance-marten-and-mark-gordon-arrested-search-for-baby-continues

GivingitToGod · 09/01/2025 17:53

YellowDiamondsInTheSky · 09/01/2025 14:56

You missed an appointment and you’re not monitoring your blood sugar levels. Of course that’s a red flag.

They did their job and made sure you and baby are ok. YABU.

Thank you

Esdale · 09/01/2025 17:51

@RawBloomers

But seeing as GD can (potentially and rarely) have serious, including fatal, consequences for a pregnant woman or her baby, banging on about free choice rather than taking personal responsibility for her own health and her baby's does seem like a pretty bizarre outlook to have. Perhaps the midwives spoke bluntly about the risks and it did come across as rude. But at least they have given the OP the information to make an informed choice.

RawBloomers · 09/01/2025 17:42

Whiteskies · 09/01/2025 17:21

@Snowedon
These 'free rights' you refer to, what about the assumed responsibilities? Responsibilities like doing the regular blood tests you were asked to do. You sound only interested in being given endless 'free rights'. Being an adult means taking responsibility for medical issues.
It's like school children banging on about their rights and forgetting about their responsibilities to themselves and others.

OP referred to “free will” and “rights”, not “free rights”. That’s what she has as an adult in a free society. She does not have any responsibility to herself to look after herself that she doesn’t place on herself - it is entirely up to her whether she does so or not and she reaps the consequences of her decision. That is what free will is about. She gets to set her own standard for how well she looks after herself. The extent she’s prepared to put up with inconveniences, pain, or other negative consequences of acting in order to off set risk. That is all her choice. Not yours and not the NHS’s.

Having a family, she may have to live with upsetting her partner (or not) if her choices are out of whack with his values. But that’s something for her to negotiate with him and any fall out a consequence she has to live with. It’s not your choice and it’s not the NHS’s.

outerspacepotato · 09/01/2025 17:38

YABU.

Your pregnancy needs more monitoring now that you've developed GD. You missed an appointment and weren't checking your sugar so your GD is unmonitored.

If you're so unwell you can't go get lancets or have someone else get them, that's a problem.

So you have multiple problems going on. This is a good thing they checked.

RawBloomers · 09/01/2025 17:33

LolaJ87 · 09/01/2025 16:50

@Snowedon is there a reason you're still giving out about the midwives attitudes than replying to anyone giving you advice on your GD or checking your sugars? You don't seem to be taking any responsibility over neglecting a very serious pregnancy condition.

If OP wants advice on her GD there are far more supportive places to post for that

OP posted about these midwives’ attitude. Is there a reason you’re going on about her GD rather than sticking to the subject? It’s telling that even though she’s had two midwives at her home, you think there will be lots of stuff you can tell her to do (in a pretty condescending way, in part) that they must not have. Yet you have nothing to say about the support she received from them.

Mnaamn · 09/01/2025 17:28

AsmallabodeIsallweWant · 09/01/2025 17:09

There are more and more abuses going on from local authorities now all over the place. You are a nurse or a midwife, you are not a god and we don't know how moral or normal or mentall ok you really are in your own mind. Having a position of care is not a welcome call for abusing and bullying pregnant women.

Absolutely this.
Put in a complaint OP.
Put a red mark by their name by email a formal complaint.
It might make them think twice next time.
Maybe it wont.
But I find putting pen to paper via emailing a complaints system satisfying.
Then forget about it.
Tell those youblive with never to allow anyone into the house before gaining your permission.

AgileSnake · 09/01/2025 17:27

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Whiteskies · 09/01/2025 17:21

@Snowedon
These 'free rights' you refer to, what about the assumed responsibilities? Responsibilities like doing the regular blood tests you were asked to do. You sound only interested in being given endless 'free rights'. Being an adult means taking responsibility for medical issues.
It's like school children banging on about their rights and forgetting about their responsibilities to themselves and others.

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