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Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 10/01/2025 01:25

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:50

@Commonsense22 I'm sorry to hear that. It is very frustrating, particularly when I feel like I'm being judged for excuse making when its a genuine problem. I've tried all the tips and tricks, massage hands, warm water, milk finger, make sure not to move lancet too quickly, press hard with the pen, give drop of blood time to form before squeezing, using side and pad of finger, trying different sites. And nothing! Dp just tried again and it literally sliced my finger. Afterwards had a massive meltdown on him because I'm feeling so much pressure and it just doesn't seem to be working for me

I've done finger pricks for GD and it does slice your finger sometimes. The lancet is supposed to cut pretty deeply.

Avoid the middle of your finger pad and parts too close to the nail.

If you're feeling overwhelmed, please talk to your HCPs about it. There may be someone among the four teams who is approachable.

NosinaBook · 10/01/2025 01:06

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:58

@Hankunamatata for the god knows how many times. It's not the fact that they showed up uninvited or pre arranged that is necessarily even the problem here, but the fact I felt disrespected and undermined in my own home. Had they came with caring intentions I don't think I would of felt this strongly about it. Instead it felt like an integration and telling off.

You should not have been disrespected but I assume they got frustrated with your casual attitude. You can't go 3 weeks without a blood test in your circumstances. Being ill can also make it worse. Your posts state that you were annoyed at them simply for turning up and that's a concern. You even suggested you'd not let them in if they come again that's why posters are being a bit harsh. You don't need to do anything you don't want to but surely you want to minimise risk to yourself and your baby? You should bite your tongue and ask for more support for your blood tests, or you could end up in hospital to monitor it. Try doing it after a bath or shower. I hope you feel better soon and the rest of your pregnancy and your labour goes well.

Blushingm · 10/01/2025 00:26

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 15:35

@Ponderingwindow my partner did try and also failed to get enough blood for readings. Some people don't have partners though so surely that's besides the point

It's not. Maybe once if twice but not for weeks, Christmas was weeks ago - it's not difficult to take readings

Blushingm · 10/01/2025 00:23

They have a duty of care to both you but also your baby.

You didn't show up and you've not been taking your blood sugar readings - which in all honesty isn't difficult even if you've got Covid - there's really no excuse. GD is a serious condition not just for you but also your unborn child.

If you've had this attitude before then they're right to be concerned. Also if you're under 4 teams as well as having GD then I'm assuming you're quite high risk.

YellowDiamondsInTheSky · 09/01/2025 23:32

When you prick your finger, do you add a little pressure and squeeze to get the blood out?

Yazzi · 09/01/2025 23:26

SassK · 09/01/2025 23:01

These midwives will have seen stuff that would break your heart; most registered clinicians have and do, on an all too regular basis.
None of them are in the job because it gives them 'authority' either (you're getting your emergency services mixed up. A not uncommon phenomenon tbf, as any fire fighter who has worked bonfire night would attest).
Your talk of institutionalised punishment is beyond bullshit; fuck knows how an impression like that is even formed.

I also am in a service provider job (legal aid) where I come into contact with very vulnerable, often very upset, and defensive people. They are often angry with me (or appear so)- the person trying to help them. Their anger can get in the way of my assistance.

Being patronising and suspicious is no way to build trust and rapport- which are essential for good service provision.

Service providers in public health who treat people in the way described by OP are acting unprofessionally and are ultimately damaging the relationship between vulnerable mums and the medical system.

You said "That you're angry and talking about refusing them entry is utterly bizarre, and if anything it'll (correctly imo) ramp up scrutiny."

Someone being increasingly scrutinised (or threatened with such) because they're naturally upset and frustrated at their poor treatment in their own home at the hands of service providers is punitive and unfair.

RawBloomers · 09/01/2025 23:23

Esdale · 09/01/2025 17:51

@RawBloomers

But seeing as GD can (potentially and rarely) have serious, including fatal, consequences for a pregnant woman or her baby, banging on about free choice rather than taking personal responsibility for her own health and her baby's does seem like a pretty bizarre outlook to have. Perhaps the midwives spoke bluntly about the risks and it did come across as rude. But at least they have given the OP the information to make an informed choice.

Free choice only has meaning if people are free to make choices that others consider bizarre. There would be little point in OP bringing up free choice if she was just going along with what other people want of her. And there would be no point at all in consent being a central tenet of health care ethics if people weren’t free to make choices that did not align with their HCP’s idea of what is best for them.

The midwives could have given OP information about the consequences of not getting tested without coming across as rude. It is perfectly possible to educate people without being condescending if you accept that it is up to them how they act on the information you give them. But nothing OP has said suggests they gave her any information she didn’t already know, so that’s a bit of a shot in the dark on your part anyway.

SassK · 09/01/2025 23:01

Yazzi · 09/01/2025 20:04

The UK is utterly mental with its hero worship of authority 😂 OP should be punished through institutional scrutiny because she didn't like inappropriate (demanding proof on a phone, as though they're the police) and patronising contact? For goodness sake

These midwives will have seen stuff that would break your heart; most registered clinicians have and do, on an all too regular basis.
None of them are in the job because it gives them 'authority' either (you're getting your emergency services mixed up. A not uncommon phenomenon tbf, as any fire fighter who has worked bonfire night would attest).
Your talk of institutionalised punishment is beyond bullshit; fuck knows how an impression like that is even formed.

justasking111 · 09/01/2025 21:54

Can your DP/relative/friend get a nurse at your surgery to do it. I have awful veins those nurses I swear could get blood out of a stone. I presume it's your DP the midwife lectured. Well partners do need a kick up the backside sometimes.

General care like food, fluids, changing bedding, washing, tidying, hoovering. She may have clocked something you haven't noticed being so ill. A midwife once told me that they do observe things.

glastogal · 09/01/2025 21:10

Have you tried other parts of the hand? The side of the hand or thumb pad (do I mean thumb pad? I mean the palm just below the thumb but can't think what to call it) might provide a better sample. I expect the side would sting if you used it for months, but for a few readings just to get an idea of whether you have spiking sugars, it might not be so bad.

I'm sorry you've had a rough experience today. I hate being talked down to!

Bluehasnoclue · 09/01/2025 21:04

OP with regards to trying to get blood for the testing can I recommend keeping your hands really warm beforehand. Either sit on them, have them on a hot water bottle or hold a cup of tea etc, even wear gloves. Sounds silly but it’s so chilly at the moment & even in general it will help the blood to flow better. Good luck with the testing, I hope it gets easier. If not you could possibly ask if they’d consider a monitor instead!

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:58

@Hankunamatata for the god knows how many times. It's not the fact that they showed up uninvited or pre arranged that is necessarily even the problem here, but the fact I felt disrespected and undermined in my own home. Had they came with caring intentions I don't think I would of felt this strongly about it. Instead it felt like an integration and telling off.

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 09/01/2025 20:54

You possibly have GD and havnt monitored for 3 weeks - not surprised mw turned up.

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:52

Also to confirm - have not been diagnosed with GD. It's been suspected because of baby being slightly above average on my 20 week growth scan. The test is being done to see if I have it. I can't do gtt because of fasting and suffering with severe reflux/sickness during half my pregnancy. The "morning" sickness was so bad I couldn't drink water. That has fortunately calmed down now however the reflux is still bad as it was something I had before pregnancy and has been amplified by it.

OP posts:
Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:51

The most annoying part is i don't feel that I can tell this to the midwives, since they didn't listen today and clearly though I was being dishonest about it. Instead of offering support or advice on what to do they've just left me in the same state. Did you have any luck in the end?

OP posts:
Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:50

@Commonsense22 I'm sorry to hear that. It is very frustrating, particularly when I feel like I'm being judged for excuse making when its a genuine problem. I've tried all the tips and tricks, massage hands, warm water, milk finger, make sure not to move lancet too quickly, press hard with the pen, give drop of blood time to form before squeezing, using side and pad of finger, trying different sites. And nothing! Dp just tried again and it literally sliced my finger. Afterwards had a massive meltdown on him because I'm feeling so much pressure and it just doesn't seem to be working for me

OP posts:
aster10 · 09/01/2025 20:43

I suspect they did have your best interests at heart, but bloody hell people can be condescending too, it drives me crazy sometimes. You meet them in all walks of life, NHS etc. Sometimes we are able to challenge this and sometimes not (no time, or we’re too shocked to confront and draw a boundary, or we just let it slide). It often leaves me fuming regardless of whether I challenged the condescension or not.

wellington77 · 09/01/2025 20:28

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

I’d definitely complain! Legally you don’t even have to see a health professional let alone midwives all through your pregnancy and that includes health visitors unless you have some sort of social services involvement. So yep, write a strongly worded letter,to their manager

Gogogo12345 · 09/01/2025 20:19

WallaceinAnderland · 09/01/2025 16:16

What a great service, turning up at your door. Proactive and preventative care. I think you should be very happy that they checked up on you and your baby.

They didn't need to be condescending and rude while they were there though

Crunchymum · 09/01/2025 20:09

So you don't actually have GD? Have you had a GTT at all as surely this would be the best way to decide if you need to monitor your blood sugar?

Have you managed any readings at all and how have they been?

Some info is being left out as I'm unsure why the HCP's are insisting you test your blood sugar.

I'm also surprised you can't get a reading at all? You cannot get a few drops of blood at all? Is your machine faulty?

Who do you live with? What help have you had for your illness? Have you seen a GP?

Sorry for all the questions. Although I'm just a random on the Internet so I imagine if this is the (lack of) info your MW has then no wonder they are sending people to check on you. You can't tell them you are too sick to collect a script / can't get any readings / miss an appointment / be an incredibly high risk pregnancy (if you are under 4 teams it must be high risk?) and not expect anyone to at least check on you.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2025 20:07

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 15:44

@mumda they haven't saved me from going to them since there was never an appointment made to do so in the first place? Despite being really unwell and unable to leave the house, they are now expecting me to come down to the hospital to get more lancets which I tried to explain I don't feel I can do right now. Did they listen? No.

Now I have them on my case to in.

So send your family member to get the lancets or ask your family member to bring you to A&E to get your covid treated.

Don't just sit there fighting with the HCPs. What do you think you'll gain by that? Do you think they'll just shut up and go away?

Get help if you can't do what is needed. If you're feeling overwhelmed and ill, get more support and seek treatment.

There's a bigger picture here that you're completely missing.

Yazzi · 09/01/2025 20:04

SassK · 09/01/2025 16:19

Christmas was over a fortnight ago. It astounds me that you wouldn't be asking them for home visits, and for help with your readings (given you've been too ill to get out of bed for a fortnight).
That you're angry and talking about refusing them entry is utterly bizarre, and if anything it'll (correctly imo) ramp up scrutiny.

The UK is utterly mental with its hero worship of authority 😂 OP should be punished through institutional scrutiny because she didn't like inappropriate (demanding proof on a phone, as though they're the police) and patronising contact? For goodness sake

mathanxiety · 09/01/2025 20:03

And do not even consider pretending you're not home if there's a follow up visit.

mathanxiety · 09/01/2025 20:02

justasking111 · 09/01/2025 15:00

You are under four different teams are supposed to be testing for GD which you haven't managed. You're getting confused by different appointments. I can understand their concerns.

Who else is in the household besides you? Can one of them do your testing if you can't manage it. Don't minimise GD. to them.

Get a diary to cover the four teams and their appointments, requests.

You're drowning here because you've been so poorly. Let someone else in your home take charge .

I agree.

GD isn't something you can just blow off because you're ill.

If you have covid and are pregnant, it would have been a good idea to seek treatment.

The HCPs visited (unannounced) because statistically speaking, you are at greater risk for domestic violence if you are pregnant, and you mention you are young and this is not your first pregnancy, so that risk is magnified. You have very likely been flagged for risk in your circumstances. That would explain why they berated the family member for not looking after you, and frankly, your family are not looking after you if nobody has taken your covid or your GD testing or your appointments seriously.

It behooves you to communicate with all the teams involved in your care, and not to depend on one team to let the rest know what's happening. If you're not able to do this, maybe family members could help?

In general, if you're so ill or confused that you lose track of appointments, it would probably be a good idea to seek extra support (are there patient advocates?) or try to figure out ways of keeping track - calendars, reminders on your phone, roping in a family member to keep track of it all.

Brinkley22 · 09/01/2025 19:58

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 16:55

@RedOrangeSky this is what is confusing to me. We have free will and rights in this country don't we? And yes, I missed one appointment that had been re booked so the bringing it up in an accusing tone is not necessary given it's already sorted. In regards to GD I know how important it is, people are acting like I'm not going to do it at all. I'm not making excuses. I'm genuinely too ill to go and pick up the lancets ATM which again I tried to express but they wouldn't listen.

Just to clarify, are you being asked to do the readings to see if you have GD? Because I recall in one of my pregnancies doing them twice a day and feeling really anxious about the idea I might have it. I may well be wrong, but I’m wondering if they are concerned that you are not doing these readings so they won’t be able to establish if you have GD or not? Apologies in advance if I’ve misunderstood

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