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Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

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Blushingm · 11/01/2025 20:35

Snowedon · 10/01/2025 12:30

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius thanks for the suggestion. I'll run it past my diabetic team and see if they'll accept it. I suspect they may say it will take too long to get here but it's worth a try!

Libre take 3 days from
Abbott you can request it yourself online

Rhaenys · 11/01/2025 15:25

Whiteskies · 09/01/2025 16:27

From your posts you sound unreasonable OP. They are doing their job properly. It can't be nice for them visiting a house where they are made to feel unwelcome. You claim they were rude to you but I wonder if you were rude to them.
Midwives are leaving the profession in droves. They are trying to do their best to keep you and your baby safe. I think you are being very, very unreasonable.

Midwives aren’t leaving because of the patients.

Pearshaped20 · 11/01/2025 10:53

You say you're under 4 different teams, without knowing what that involves, I'm wondering if they are considering your pregnancy 'high risk'? Tbh health professionals are damned if they do and damned if they don't. I would be grateful to have midwives looking out for me and my unborn child but we're all different with regards to what's considered intrusive. All the best with your pregnancy 😊

Mere1 · 11/01/2025 08:16

Snowpaw · 09/01/2025 14:52

YABU

I would rather a system with checks like this in place than not. It's for the safety of everyone. They're just doing their jobs.

Agree

Cockneykelly83 · 11/01/2025 06:38

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

YANBU I would file a complaint. I complained about a midwife when I was pregnant with my first son. My husband has Spanish heritage so has a very Spanish name, however was born here and is English. She asked me if there is a language barrier between us (clearly
not as he is English) and couldn’t spell his name despite me spelling it out and basically said ‘what a stupid name you’ll have to write his name because I can’t be bothered’

then she asked if i had any problems with mental health in the past, unfortunately I have always suffered panic attacks and anxiety so I’m medicated for that successfully and her exact words ‘maybe you should have sorted that out before you decided to start a family’.

same midwife coincidentally was assigned to a friend of mine some months later who sadly had to have a medical termination. She wasn’t sure whether to attend the following midwife appointment so she rang the surgery to confirm. Said midwife ‘LAUGHED’ and said ‘well obviously not if you’re not pregnant anymore??’

she was awful.

Yoonimum · 11/01/2025 00:34

I requested a change of midwife after receiving unsympathetic and condescending behaviour. I told the manager who followed up exactly why and she said, no problem, she would follow me up herself. She was non-commital about my report but I had a good relationship with her and it was definitely the best thing to do.

CrowleyKitten · 10/01/2025 23:31

I once had a very condescending doctor I went to about what I could tell was becoming a chest infection. he absolutely condescendingly explained to me that I can go to a supermarket or chemist, and buy a decongestent liquid medicine to help with the coughing. like I was too stupid to know what cough mixture was, and too stupid to have thought of that already.

Retiredfromearlyyears · 10/01/2025 23:25

I think the poster means because you said you would get another household member to say you were out.That would be telling a lie,if you weren't actually out. Wouldn't it?

WotsitsMadeIn1927 · 10/01/2025 21:54

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

I’m sorry this happened to you OP.
No they can’t treat you like that.
You were more than well within your own rights to ask them to leave.

You are doing what’s most important, looking after yourself.

Hope you feel better soon 💐💜

JAT49 · 10/01/2025 21:54

Wow why you accusing her of ghosting and lies

MustWeDoThis · 10/01/2025 21:51

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 14:31

Heavily pregnant. Missed a midwife appointment a couple of days ago that has been re-booked (just a standard check up at GP) and was meant to start home testing for GD but have been ill with what we think was COVID since Christmas. Been utterly wiped out but tried to do some readings. Failed miserably, communicated all this to the team at the hospital.

I was in bed feeling ill, trying to rest when the door went. It was two midwives. A household member let in confused. I was equally as perplexed since nothing was booked nor mentioned to me. Basically I felt the whole time they were condescending and rude. They spoke to me like a little child telling me off, reminding me of the danger I'm putting my unborn child under, and to remind me and household members to do a "better job of taking care of me". The appointment missed was genuinely the first time I've done something like that and it simply went under my radar since I'm under 4 different teams for different things and appointments are becoming confusing and overwhelming with cancellations and changes. I explained that I had already spoken to the hospital about my troubles with my testing to which they demanded I showed them my phone for "proof". I tried to explain how ill I've been and they belittled it by saying "yes a COLD is going around at the moment" and then kept referring to it as a cold.

Surely they can't do this and need permission first before showing up announced. I would never put my child in harms way, but regardless am I wrong for thinking it's my body and I have a right to not show up/decline things when I want (not saying I am) but regardless. That then doesn't give them the green light to come to my home and bully me surely? I maybe overly sensitive to all of this since I've been ill for 3 long weeks now, really pregnant, but I do feel like as I'm quite young that I've had a major history of being not taken seriously and treated in a patronising manner during this pregnancy. This isn't my first and I know what I am doing. I'm listening and taking things onboard, I am trying. But my god I am getting fed up of this treatment by everyone and it's racking my confidence going forward for birth.

I think it's a good thing Midwives are doing more, were concerned, checked on your unborn baby and your health. It's not just about you now.

Too many women slip through the net.

Buffs · 10/01/2025 19:55

I live in the US. You get nothing unless you pay a huge amount of money up front. You go to the cashier desk before every medical appointment. The truly evil health insurance companies stand between the patients and doctors raking in billions looking for every opportunity to deny you health care.
If someone turned up on my doorstep and wanted to check on my health I think I would cry with gratitude.

BlueFlowers5 · 10/01/2025 19:28

Cold calling patients is a lazy way of working. Consent is maybe overridden by worked Ng this way.

Sleeplessinscotland1 · 10/01/2025 19:17

allmycats · 09/01/2025 15:19

Just be happy that you are having medical professionals looking out for your unborn baby. Better too much checking than not enough.

This!
Perhaps the midwives were running ahead of time and passing your way. GD is dangerous to you and your unborn baby, imagine if one of you was critically ill and nobody had bothered. I think you should be grateful.

mumda · 10/01/2025 18:19

Yazzi · 09/01/2025 20:04

The UK is utterly mental with its hero worship of authority 😂 OP should be punished through institutional scrutiny because she didn't like inappropriate (demanding proof on a phone, as though they're the police) and patronising contact? For goodness sake

Yeah and fewer women and babies die as a result.

Itsaswelltime · 10/01/2025 17:39

CandyCatsHat · 10/01/2025 16:58

That sounds OTT. More concerning is how you said it was covid and they called it a cold. These are people dealing with pregnant women and babies. Wtf is the matter with them and how dare they endanger others they are meant to be looking after just because of their ignorant attitude.

You could have just showed them the COVID test?

CandyCatsHat · 10/01/2025 16:58

That sounds OTT. More concerning is how you said it was covid and they called it a cold. These are people dealing with pregnant women and babies. Wtf is the matter with them and how dare they endanger others they are meant to be looking after just because of their ignorant attitude.

RawBloomers · 10/01/2025 16:39

Catpuss66 · 10/01/2025 10:18

You don’t know nothing has changed, you only have the other persons say so events have happened as she says so. She might have been hostile from the get go. They may not have been nasty at all. Wouldn’t it be nice to get the other side of this story but that is not allowed they have no defence because they are not allowed to speak & rightly so. Think non treatment of medical conditions also if not more so have a negative outcome on good birth outcomes I am sure you would agree. No one goes into the job wanting to cause distress they go into the job to help but at times patients can be frustrating when plans are made & not kept & contact is not made. The job is hard enough working within a system not working. Fear is an emotion that is felt by lots of professionals because they see the outcomes that you don’t.

I didn’t say nothing had changed. I listed several things that had changed for the worse. Which you have ignored. The lack of trust in particular is corrosive not just for OPs current pregnancy but for all her future health contacts. This isn’t a harmless impact where no one needs to be concerned because they think OP is unreasonable anyway.

Having the best of intentions when you join a profession is irrelevant if your actions result in harm. And while I suspect the system has a lot to answer for you just need to look at a few of the reports into our failing maternity services to see that unprofessional behaviour and abysmal attitudes towards patients is rife within midwifery.

Snowedon · 10/01/2025 12:30

@SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius thanks for the suggestion. I'll run it past my diabetic team and see if they'll accept it. I suspect they may say it will take too long to get here but it's worth a try!

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SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 10/01/2025 12:10

@Snowedon - as I said yesterday, you can get a free trial of both a dexcom sensor and a Free Style Libre one, by filling in forms online - and they are much easier than pricking your fingers.

trivialMorning · 10/01/2025 11:00

Snowedon · 09/01/2025 20:52

Also to confirm - have not been diagnosed with GD. It's been suspected because of baby being slightly above average on my 20 week growth scan. The test is being done to see if I have it. I can't do gtt because of fasting and suffering with severe reflux/sickness during half my pregnancy. The "morning" sickness was so bad I couldn't drink water. That has fortunately calmed down now however the reflux is still bad as it was something I had before pregnancy and has been amplified by it.

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I had serve reflux and sickness and manage the GTT - my Dad was insulin diabetic though and this I was higher risk than you appear - very unpleasant experience but necessary in my case.

Having said that knew a mother who'd never had in her 4 pg but fifth she did develop GD - though next pg she was fine - but it could be an issue for you they clearly want to rule out now it's been raised by one scan. I get impress you think it all nonsenses and there's no risk of GD while HCP team have to be more concerned because it's been raised as a risk but not ruled out.

Can you talk to other HCP - even GP - I know finger pricks can be nasty - Dad always used to pay a lot of machine that did that and later monitor - maybe they can offer something.

I think you may be thinking had previous pg they were all fine - but obviously team see cases where later pg do go wrong and want to avoid that for you.

Catpuss66 · 10/01/2025 10:18

RawBloomers · 10/01/2025 05:15

Why on earth do you think midwives have to be nasty to provide a life saving service? In what way has OP‘s experience shown the validity of their actions? She isn’t any “safer”. Nothing at all has changed for the better because of their visit and several things have changed for the worse - she is more stressed, more tired and trusts her HCPs less. All of which are negatively associated with good birth outcomes.

You don’t know nothing has changed, you only have the other persons say so events have happened as she says so. She might have been hostile from the get go. They may not have been nasty at all. Wouldn’t it be nice to get the other side of this story but that is not allowed they have no defence because they are not allowed to speak & rightly so. Think non treatment of medical conditions also if not more so have a negative outcome on good birth outcomes I am sure you would agree. No one goes into the job wanting to cause distress they go into the job to help but at times patients can be frustrating when plans are made & not kept & contact is not made. The job is hard enough working within a system not working. Fear is an emotion that is felt by lots of professionals because they see the outcomes that you don’t.

Commonsense22 · 10/01/2025 09:16

Blushingm · 10/01/2025 00:26

It's not. Maybe once if twice but not for weeks, Christmas was weeks ago - it's not difficult to take readings

Utterly rubbish. Some of those kits don't work and it depends on the person.
I remember crying my eyes out with my husband as we worked through a whole pack of needles and didn't get one reading. I was in agony as you're more sensitive when unwell.

Plus the OP had already reached out for help. And when you're followed by multiple services appointments are sheer chaos.
There is NEVER an excuse for health care providers to be patronising. They are the silent killers.

RawBloomers · 10/01/2025 05:15

Catpuss66 · 10/01/2025 03:39

Can I ask which is more important her feelings or her babies life because that’s what it comes down too. I have seen diabetic women not caring for their condition ending up on the at risk register of their unborn. She isn’t some young girl she is in her late 20’s I am sure they have tried to ring her before turning up to check on her why wouldn’t she answered the phone or rung them. Usually community midwife gives her work mobile to patients.

Why on earth do you think midwives have to be nasty to provide a life saving service? In what way has OP‘s experience shown the validity of their actions? She isn’t any “safer”. Nothing at all has changed for the better because of their visit and several things have changed for the worse - she is more stressed, more tired and trusts her HCPs less. All of which are negatively associated with good birth outcomes.

Catpuss66 · 10/01/2025 03:39

ReadingSoManyThreads · 09/01/2025 16:30

Really? When they spoke to her like a child and demanded to check her phone and read her emails?? Jesus, you're just the type to bend over on command, aren't you? Totally brainwashed into thinking women should be grateful for shoddy awful maternity care.

Can I ask which is more important her feelings or her babies life because that’s what it comes down too. I have seen diabetic women not caring for their condition ending up on the at risk register of their unborn. She isn’t some young girl she is in her late 20’s I am sure they have tried to ring her before turning up to check on her why wouldn’t she answered the phone or rung them. Usually community midwife gives her work mobile to patients.