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DMIL giving TV time and oven food for toddler - should I say anything?

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Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 14:14

Name changed as outing.

DMIL looks after DS (20 months) 2 afternoons a week (about 4 hours each time). I know the mumsnet consensus is that no one is entitled to childcare from grandparents so I’d like to point out that I am very grateful for this.

The issue I have is that DS always comes home from there having watched what seems to be a lot of TV. He has started saying the names of lots of TV programmes we have never showed him. DMIL also sometimes brags that they ‘only’ watched 30 mins today. It worries me how much they are watching normally. DH and I are aware that some screen time won’t do any harm and is almost unavoidable in this day and age but also the studies show it should be limited and also DS is still very young. We’re very against DS getting a tablet for example.

MIL also only feeds DS oven food like chicken nuggets and chips, despite cooking for herself and FIL the rest of the week. We’ve said on many occasions that DS can eat whatever MIL and FIL are eating but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Another factor that complicates matters is that I have a health condition that sometimes means I do struggle. These ‘shortcuts’ in my eyes such as easy food and TV should ideally be reserved for when I’m struggling, (MIL is aware this happens regularly).

Between my struggling and MIL, DS is having too much rubbish food and TV. When I’m fit and well, I play games, do crafts, take DS out etc and cook from scratch. I’m trying to make sure he has a varied diet and is exposed to lots of tastes and healthy food from an early age. In fact even when I’m not well I’m still doing this and making myself ill as I feel I have to compensate for the time he’s spending with her.

I don’t understand why MIL can’t do the same as me when I’m well as she is a fit 61 year old. I just don’t think it should be so hard to keep a toddler entertained without TV for 4 hours. If it was occasionally or once a week I wouldn’t blink an eye but it is every time without fail. DH has made some subtle hints that we have noticed her routine is TV and oven food and we’re not thrilled but she was defensive and hasn’t changed her behaviour.

YABU - You’re getting free childcare, you can’t set terms. Keep quiet.

YANBU - It’s only 4 hours. She shouldn’t be relying on rubbish food and TV. Especially when it’s taking all the ‘shortcuts’ from you when you spend the most time with him and need it due to your health condition. DH should say something - again!

OP posts:
Ohshutupsimonyoutwat · 09/01/2025 16:32

Good to see you are going to work on being more grateful because you really need to.

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:30

Crazycatlady79 · 09/01/2025 16:26

2+ hours a day for a 2 year old? You're joking, right? That's an insane amount. 😳

No, of course I'm not joking. An hour in the morning over breakfast, an hour in the evening to wind down after a full day at nursery.

You can think it's an insane amount if you want. I'll ask DS and DD whether they think it had any damaging effects when I take them back to their respective unis this weekend.

LittleBitAlexa · 09/01/2025 16:30

I don't really understand the moral panic about TV. It's just stories. Good quality advert free children's TV like CBeebies teaches them all kinds of things.

Soontobe60 · 09/01/2025 16:30

The BMJ link says that high screen tIme is moderately ASSOCIATED WITH other concerning things, not that it CAUSES - there’s a world of difference.

Left · 09/01/2025 16:30

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 15:12

@NoahsTortoise this is actually a really helpful suggestion thank you. Can you recommend any specific brands?

Not used these myself, as my child is older, but friends buy the Annabel Karmel ones from supermarkets - still essentially a ready meal but they look less beige. Might be a good thing to stash in your freezer for when you’re having a tough day x

TooManyChristmasCards · 09/01/2025 16:30

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:06

@OTannenbaumOTannenbaum and @ThejoyofNC Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc. The hours I spend with my son far exceed the hours he spends with his DGM. Obviously this is how it should be, as I’m his Mum. My point is, that I spend lots of lots of hours looking after my son with no shortcuts, no screen time, no junk food etc. But especially with a chronic health condition, it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way. But I find that I can’t or I feel very guilty if I do, as those things have already been used by DMIL. So 100% of MILs time is easy. I’d like maybe 20% of my time to be easy. Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I’m not explaining it very well. My disability is a very big factor in this.

you are explaining it well, but you are having it completely wrong.

100% of MILs time is easy yes? So? It's irrelevant, that's how it should be.

Stop comparing and look at it the right way: He's at MIL, that means YOU are having an easy time when it's there. Period.

It's great to have ambition and want to be a good mum, that's a lovely attitude, but don't become a martyr. You are unwell, then yes, cut corners. It's pointless to try to be SuperMum. The less stressed you are about it all, the better.

it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way.
what's stopping you? Maybe re-asses your expectations and your ideas of being an ideal mum. Your kid will be happy to potter around and come and get a cuddle with you when he feels like one, he has no idea that's not part of your ideal vision.

The food is easy to solve, look at all the advice above (dad, batch cook, freezer and so on)

BrightSnail · 09/01/2025 16:29

wheretoyougonow · 09/01/2025 16:27

I'm not convinced this is really about your mother in law.

You have an image in your mind of how to bring up your child. Due to your disability this is not always possible. I would also like to point out that parents without disabilities are not always the parent they want to be. Most of us set out to be Mary Poppins but have moments of Liz from motherland.

Your child will happier with happy parents. Not everyday will be a good one. Children and adults need downtime. Trust me, although we want to promote a healthy lifestyle, when your child is an adult they will only really remember being happy, loved and safe as a child.

I'd take Liz over MP any day of the week.

cadburyegg · 09/01/2025 16:28

My ex mil used to have ds1 for 1 day a week and he was probably fed on junk and watched a lot of tv. I never said anything because she was helping out but it did annoy me at the time.

My dc are now 9 and 6 and now we are out of the toddler stages I can fully appreciate my ex mil's perspective. She is the grandparent not the parent and didn't have the same level of knowledge and confidence with him as we did because she wasn't with him all the time. It wasn't as intuitive for her as it was for us. I watched my friend's 2 year old for a couple of hours recently and had to keep reminding myself that she needed watching at all times! And it really hasn't been that long since my children were that age.

It's our responsibility to do the parenting. Grandparents are babysitters. Maybe the reason your mil feeds your child chicken dippers is because she worries about her ability to watch him whilst cooking something more elaborate. Or because she wants to spend quality time with him rather than in the kitchen. Or she knows he will eat it and doesn't have to worry about returning a hungry child to you.

PromoJoJo · 09/01/2025 16:28

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Jimmyneutronsforehead · 09/01/2025 16:28

I think you need to take a step back and realise your child is fed, and loved, and played with, and entertained, and he has grandparents that want to be involved in his life.

She's not putting him in harms way, she's just treating him because that's what grandparents do. They've done the parenting bit and now they want to do the fun bonding bit with their grandchildren while they're in the winter of their lives.

If she was not chopping his grapes up or was strapping him in a chair in front of the tv while she goes off to do her own thing then I'd say wow that's neglectful but this really is not a hill to die on.

HMW1906 · 09/01/2025 16:28

If you’re not happy with the childcare you are receiving….for free…then find alternative.

wheretoyougonow · 09/01/2025 16:27

I'm not convinced this is really about your mother in law.

You have an image in your mind of how to bring up your child. Due to your disability this is not always possible. I would also like to point out that parents without disabilities are not always the parent they want to be. Most of us set out to be Mary Poppins but have moments of Liz from motherland.

Your child will happier with happy parents. Not everyday will be a good one. Children and adults need downtime. Trust me, although we want to promote a healthy lifestyle, when your child is an adult they will only really remember being happy, loved and safe as a child.

Crazycatlady79 · 09/01/2025 16:26

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:18

At 2, mine probably watched 2+ hours a day (more for my youngest) on weekdays and substantially more at weekends.

I don't remember them asking for it to be on as it was usually on in the background anyway. They also spent a lot of time playing in the living room (with toys and doing role play), totally ignoring the TV, despite it being on at the time. Perhaps because I didn't make it a scarce resource so the fascination with it wasn't there? Plus, sometimes I had the TV on for me because children need to learn to play by themselves and having constant adult interaction means they don't learn to occupy themselves - meant I could be in the same room without being bored out of my mind playing with a toddler!

2+ hours a day for a 2 year old? You're joking, right? That's an insane amount. 😳

AgileSnake · 09/01/2025 16:26

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Iwiicit · 09/01/2025 16:25

How about looking at it from your MIL's point of view .....
I have recently retired after bringing up a family and working.my fingers to the bone for years. I was really looking forward to having a well-deserved rest taking up some new hobbies and travelling, with the few precious active years I have left.

Unfortunately all my plans and dreams have been destroyed because I have been asked to look after my grandchild two days a week. I have agreed to make this sacrifice purely because of the deep love I have for my family and especially to help out my DIL who doesn't have the best of health.
However, since this arrangement began, she has done nothing but criticise, undermine and lecture me, AIBU to tell her to sod off and find alternative childcare?

Polistock · 09/01/2025 16:25

I didn't like the way my MIL looked after my daughter. Lots of TV, lots of treats, rarely went outside. But she is a kind, loving grandmother and a good source of support to me. It's also for a very brief time, they start school before you know it.

Let it go.

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:25

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:06

@OTannenbaumOTannenbaum and @ThejoyofNC Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc. The hours I spend with my son far exceed the hours he spends with his DGM. Obviously this is how it should be, as I’m his Mum. My point is, that I spend lots of lots of hours looking after my son with no shortcuts, no screen time, no junk food etc. But especially with a chronic health condition, it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way. But I find that I can’t or I feel very guilty if I do, as those things have already been used by DMIL. So 100% of MILs time is easy. I’d like maybe 20% of my time to be easy. Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I’m not explaining it very well. My disability is a very big factor in this.

I think you are CHOOSING to make life difficult for yourself and in danger of martyring yourself entirely unnecessarily. That's your lookout but please don't make someone else have to martyr themselves too.

Wehadfireinoureyes · 09/01/2025 16:24

OP, unless you are finding that your son is having health or behavioural issues connected to the food/screen time, I think you need to cut both your MIL and yourself some slack.

My DD is the same age as your DS. She has a lot more screen time than what you have described in your post (no tablet, just the TV, and a lot of the time she just likes it on in the background while she plays, she isn’t glued to it constantly) and I would actually be incredibly grateful if she would eat some oven food, and we’re having serious problems getting her to eat anything outside of a handful of foods.

I think with the rise of social media and the mountains of available information (both factual and not so factual) floating around on the web, there is so much pressure on parents these days to do this, don’t do that, etc etc. Unfortunately, Mumsnet is also very guilty of this. If you dare to allow screen time or allow your child a chicken nugget, there will be posters here down your throat, and so once again the pressure to be the ‘perfect parent’ appears.

I realised very quickly with my daughter that so many of these things that I ‘should’ be doing, simply do not work for her. At first, I found myself panicking, stressed all the time, because ‘it says she should have x and shouldn’t have y’, but then I realised that as long as she is healthy, happy, and we have a decent balance, it really, truly doesn’t matter.

2 days a week where your son has a higher than normal amount of screen time and chicken nuggets for dinner is absolutely fine. It’s not going to damage him or affect him in any significant way in the long term. And if you then need a ‘shortcut’ yourself, so it ends up being 3 or 4 days…who cares? It’s all about balance. If one week 4 days of ‘shortcuts’ are needed, just try to make sure that on the other 3, he eats healthy and spends lots of time out and about being active and away from the TV.

My daughter is currently ill and has been all week, so she’s had a lot less active time and a lot more screen time than normal. Do I feel bad about it? No, absolutely not, because I know it’s what she’s needed this week, and when she’s better we’ll be back to going out and about every day, running round the park, toddler classes and soft play. It all balances out. Don’t stress.

MyDeftDuck · 09/01/2025 16:24

I agree with others comments regarding cooking your toddlers food and sending him with. meal for GP to simply reheat - at least granny wouldn't be cooking twice would she?
As for screen time - I hardly think TV falls into the screen time category, that is most referred to as tablets, PC's etc. If he is watching 30 minutes out of a 4 hours visit I dont see that you have much to complain about.
Alternatively, pay a qualified childminder.

fanaticalfairy · 09/01/2025 16:24

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:06

@OTannenbaumOTannenbaum and @ThejoyofNC Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc. The hours I spend with my son far exceed the hours he spends with his DGM. Obviously this is how it should be, as I’m his Mum. My point is, that I spend lots of lots of hours looking after my son with no shortcuts, no screen time, no junk food etc. But especially with a chronic health condition, it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way. But I find that I can’t or I feel very guilty if I do, as those things have already been used by DMIL. So 100% of MILs time is easy. I’d like maybe 20% of my time to be easy. Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I’m not explaining it very well. My disability is a very big factor in this.

Why make your life so difficult?

AgileSnake · 09/01/2025 16:24

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BrightSnail · 09/01/2025 16:23

FWIW, my lovely granny used to plonk me in front of Thundercats with a can of coke for weekends at a time. I've got a PhD now. Just anecdotal but this existential dread of the telly really doesn't make sense to me. If I were your MIL and you started on with all this I'd be pretty stunned by the ingratitude tbh.

Pickled21 · 09/01/2025 16:23

I don't think you can dictate how they take care of him when he is in their care. As long as they aren't neglecting him or putting him at risk,which they aren't, then I think you have to let them manage however they see fit. It's tiring taking care of a 20 month old at any age but that triedness does increase as you get older.

I do see where you are coming from though as my sister has a chronic illness and my mum minds her kids 2 days a week. She is slightly younger than your mil but makes sure my nieces get homecooked meals for tea. Their afternoon meals are quick so things like sandwiches, wraps a jacket potato rather than nuggets and chips. This is partly because we had homecooked meals as children, usually leftovers the next day and so it's just the norm to my mum. She also appreciates that when dsis is struggling she will give the kids oven food so tries to avoid it when they are on her time.

RedOrangeSky · 09/01/2025 16:23

I get where you are coming from because I sometimes feel the same about my MIL. But I don't think you can really say or do much as she's not doing anything dangerous. Maybe if there's a particular programme you would like to avoid or sort of food?

Is your MIL the sort to take your son out when its nicer weather? Just wondering if the weather might be a factor at the moment.

ThatEllie · 09/01/2025 16:22

I do pay for childcare most of the week. Obviously MIL is saving us money by having him and I do appreciate that. I could pay more and put him in nursery full time. However there are always politics around this as MIL would definitely be offended and would miss her time with DS.

I think you just need to do this, to be honest. She can be as offended as she likes but if she’s sticking him in front of the TV then I wouldn’t entertain the “but I’ll miss our time” argument. It sounds like your husband has brought up the issues this is causing and she has brushed him off, so two more afternoons at nursery it is.