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DMIL giving TV time and oven food for toddler - should I say anything?

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Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 14:14

Name changed as outing.

DMIL looks after DS (20 months) 2 afternoons a week (about 4 hours each time). I know the mumsnet consensus is that no one is entitled to childcare from grandparents so I’d like to point out that I am very grateful for this.

The issue I have is that DS always comes home from there having watched what seems to be a lot of TV. He has started saying the names of lots of TV programmes we have never showed him. DMIL also sometimes brags that they ‘only’ watched 30 mins today. It worries me how much they are watching normally. DH and I are aware that some screen time won’t do any harm and is almost unavoidable in this day and age but also the studies show it should be limited and also DS is still very young. We’re very against DS getting a tablet for example.

MIL also only feeds DS oven food like chicken nuggets and chips, despite cooking for herself and FIL the rest of the week. We’ve said on many occasions that DS can eat whatever MIL and FIL are eating but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Another factor that complicates matters is that I have a health condition that sometimes means I do struggle. These ‘shortcuts’ in my eyes such as easy food and TV should ideally be reserved for when I’m struggling, (MIL is aware this happens regularly).

Between my struggling and MIL, DS is having too much rubbish food and TV. When I’m fit and well, I play games, do crafts, take DS out etc and cook from scratch. I’m trying to make sure he has a varied diet and is exposed to lots of tastes and healthy food from an early age. In fact even when I’m not well I’m still doing this and making myself ill as I feel I have to compensate for the time he’s spending with her.

I don’t understand why MIL can’t do the same as me when I’m well as she is a fit 61 year old. I just don’t think it should be so hard to keep a toddler entertained without TV for 4 hours. If it was occasionally or once a week I wouldn’t blink an eye but it is every time without fail. DH has made some subtle hints that we have noticed her routine is TV and oven food and we’re not thrilled but she was defensive and hasn’t changed her behaviour.

YABU - You’re getting free childcare, you can’t set terms. Keep quiet.

YANBU - It’s only 4 hours. She shouldn’t be relying on rubbish food and TV. Especially when it’s taking all the ‘shortcuts’ from you when you spend the most time with him and need it due to your health condition. DH should say something - again!

OP posts:
moomindragon · 09/01/2025 16:41

I understand you have a disability and it is hard, and I do get where you are coming from. My DH has a chronic health condition so I understand. I was raised on chicken dippers and unlimited 90's TV/ video games so I totally get the damage of that as well - I don't think it did me much good. In truth, your MIL probably could do a bit better. But will she? Probably not, by the sound of it. So you are in the situation you are in.

At the end of the day, I really don't think this is going to do your son any long term damage. Many kids have childhoods which are 100% crap food and loads of screen time, which isn't ideal, but also not that uncommon. Your son is getting a mostly good diet and spending lots of time away from screens. It's not perfect, but it's not that bad, and it's better than many.

It sounds like your DH is great and you also do everything you can, and your son is certainly getting better than the bare minimum. He is loved and it sounds like all in all you are giving him everything you can, and a good life, with a pretty good balance of healthy food and activities.

All the important bases are covered here, you are doing your best, and although yes perhaps your MIL could do more, he is not going to be harmed.

It's hard to aim for perfection - aim for what you can realistically achieve. You are doing well, OP.

Miepmiep · 09/01/2025 16:41

OP how many stay at mum homes have 4 hours of quality time EVERY day with their DC doing crafts, baking, playing games, reading books, going to the park etc? They will be doing chores, cooking, looking after other DC, going shopping. You are asking a lot of your MIL on her days when she is doing you a favour. More than most parents do. She is a babysitter, not an educator.

I do all those things with my DGC but it is exhausting and expensive! Their parents don’t expect it of me though… They do what they can to make my life easier because they are grateful for the help. They take responsibility for making sure their DC have balance in their lives, whether it is screen time or chicken nuggets. That’s their job as parents.

Any toddler who has ever watched TV or eaten chocolate cake (or chicken nuggets) will try their luck at some point and want cartoons and sweets for breakfast every morning 😂 Why do you think being a fussy eater with square eyes comes from your MIL and not your “shortcuts”?

I and other PPs have made plenty of suggestions of how to make your life and MIL’s easier.

Another suggestion… you could tactfully reduce MIL’s childcare to 1 afternoon a week under the excuse of nursery advising it as they start on preschool preparation activities now he is older. She might have more energy for activities if it is only once a week. The benefits of 4 hours bonding with his DGM, even if it involves watching some TV and eating chicken nuggets, will outweigh the negatives.

republicofjam · 09/01/2025 16:41

Turophilic · 09/01/2025 16:21

Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc.

Oh for goodness sake, @Chilliinitiative, you're his mother. That's your actual role.

You post about this like it wasn't entirely down to your choices. You chose to have a child. He didn't turn up out of the blue. You also choose to work, have some childcare and use free childcare from your inlaws. You also choose to not use television when he's with you and to get your knickers in a knot over chicken nuggets or fish fingers more than twice a week.

You have a chronic condition. So do I, so do millions of parents. We get on with it as best we can, spend our spoons as wisely as possible and don't criticise the devoted family members providing free childcare for how they do so.

When you're 61, look at your own energy levels and think back to this post. I expect you'd laugh rather hollowly.

As a reasonably fit and healthy 60 year old who nonetheless has seen her energy levels plummet since hitting the menopause I heartily agree with this. I am sorry OP, I understand that you have a cronic condition and I know how frustrating that can be but you have to take responsibility for your own decisions and be grateful for the help you are getting. If that help is not to your taste then you will have to rethink those decisions.

Technonan · 09/01/2025 16:40

When you're well, batch cook so you;ve got something in you can heat up easily for your DS, then you'll know that most of the time, he's getting good quality food.

It's hard to imagine, unless you've been there, how much your energy levels go down as you get older (apart from for a lucky few). At 60, I was fit and well, and working, but I found my dgs absolutely exhausting. I love them dearly, but when they were toddlers, I struggled to cope sometimes. It's the mental as well as the physical stress. I suspect this is one reason why 60 year old humans can't get pregnant. They don't have the stamina for childcare.

fanaticalfairy · 09/01/2025 16:39

TooManyChristmasCards · 09/01/2025 16:34

In fairness, why would kids even need to watch one hour tv in the morning?
You don't need tv to "wind down" either.

My kids didn't watch tv at that age, and didn't miss it - neither did I, and I am the least involved parent 😂

But even nurseries have tv and let kids watch them at some point...

They might be the type to get up at 5am!

LeopardPrintIsNeutral · 09/01/2025 16:38

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:06

@OTannenbaumOTannenbaum and @ThejoyofNC Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc. The hours I spend with my son far exceed the hours he spends with his DGM. Obviously this is how it should be, as I’m his Mum. My point is, that I spend lots of lots of hours looking after my son with no shortcuts, no screen time, no junk food etc. But especially with a chronic health condition, it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way. But I find that I can’t or I feel very guilty if I do, as those things have already been used by DMIL. So 100% of MILs time is easy. I’d like maybe 20% of my time to be easy. Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I’m not explaining it very well. My disability is a very big factor in this.

I think this guilt is your problem not what MIL is doing. She can take shortcuts AND you can take them too. They’re not mutually exclusive.

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:38

TooManyChristmasCards · 09/01/2025 16:34

In fairness, why would kids even need to watch one hour tv in the morning?
You don't need tv to "wind down" either.

My kids didn't watch tv at that age, and didn't miss it - neither did I, and I am the least involved parent 😂

But even nurseries have tv and let kids watch them at some point...

Well, obviously they didn't NEED to. They enjoyed it. I liked (still like) having the TV on in the background. It's just how we chose to do things. It doesn't seem to have had any ill-effects on my now adult children.

TheKeatingFive · 09/01/2025 16:38

M&S fishcakes are my go to lazy meal. Serve with frozen peas. Everyone loves them.

AgileSnake · 09/01/2025 16:38

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Gjki · 09/01/2025 16:38

Crazycatlady79 · 09/01/2025 16:26

2+ hours a day for a 2 year old? You're joking, right? That's an insane amount. 😳

I'm not that poster... But is it?

Say they have been up at 7.30am, got dressed and breakfasted then gone to playgroup 9.30am-11.30am. Then to cafe for lunch and to the supermarket and post office with mum. Then at home they've come in at 2pm and played with toys and then put shopping away. Mum gets play doh out and they play together for a bit. TV goes on about 3pm and mum sits and has a cup of tea, chats to DC while they watch it- say they watch the gruffalo followed by the gruffalos child. Mum goes to prep tea about 4pm and DC potters about with toys and has Cbeebies on. TV goes off at 4.30pm for tea time and mum and DC eat together at the dinner table. They go back into the living room and put cbeebies back on until 6pm when it's time to go up for bath etc. Dad comes home during this and DC tells them about the day.

The TV has been on for over 2 hours but the child has done lots of developmentally appropriate activities and has lots of loving care, but towards the end of the day they are more tired and getting frustrated with their jigsaws etc.

(That is not a untypical day for my non napping child at the moment!)

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:37

Aren’t you a peach @thinktwice36

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PollyPut · 09/01/2025 16:37

@Chilliinitiative I understand that you don't want your child fed chicken nuggets and chips. However, oven food has definite advantages when looking after a toddler as you don't have to stand at the stove whilst also looking after a toddler - it can be left unattended (whereas both the stove, and the toddler, can't). So if you want to change something then I'd suggest you bring oven food that you prefer she cooks instead. Sweet potato fries, a mini fish pie or shepherds pie etc?

momtoboys · 09/01/2025 16:37

"When I’m fit and well, I play games, do crafts, take DS out etc and cook from scratch. I’m trying to make sure he has a varied diet and is exposed to lots of tastes and healthy food from an early age. In fact even when I’m not well I’m still doing this and making myself ill as I feel I have to compensate for the time he’s spending with her". 🙄🙄. Let me guess...first child?

AgileSnake · 09/01/2025 16:36

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HMW1906 · 09/01/2025 16:35

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 15:03

The trouble is - if 2 nugget meals aren’t the end of the world. What about when there is a tricky day at some point in the week (there always is). Then it becomes 3 out of 7 main meals every week which I feel is too much. God forbid we have two tricky days! Then it’s 4 out of 7!

It doesn’t have to be chicken nuggets on the nights you’re unable to cook though. What about jacket potato with beans or something on, that’s easy to make. Or simply beans on toast. Or sausage and sweet potato chips….bot grwt admittedly but you’re getting some variety. Or why not have a kids ready meal in the fridge, just in case, there’s a range called Little Dish that aren’t horrendous and have veggie in, we keep one in the fridge as an emergency for if we’re late finishing work, it takes less then 2 minutes to cook and I usually do some frozen sweetcorn or peas with it. Or pre-make a few meal that you can quickly heat up if need. There are plenty of quick and easy alternatives to an oven tea.

thinktwice36 · 09/01/2025 16:35

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 15:09

@JimHalpertsWife Yes I know this is part of being a mother. I just think when I have more time I’d help my DIL out a bit by not taking anll the shortcuts for the week. Especially if she was chronically ill.

Are you anticipating not being ‘chronically ill’ when you become a grandparent then?

Dramatic · 09/01/2025 16:35

Unless you are able to spend every hour looking after your child then I think you have to allow for these little differences, it's not all day every day it's 2 short afternoons a week and nothing she is doing will actually be detrimental or harmful to your son.

TooManyChristmasCards · 09/01/2025 16:34

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:30

No, of course I'm not joking. An hour in the morning over breakfast, an hour in the evening to wind down after a full day at nursery.

You can think it's an insane amount if you want. I'll ask DS and DD whether they think it had any damaging effects when I take them back to their respective unis this weekend.

In fairness, why would kids even need to watch one hour tv in the morning?
You don't need tv to "wind down" either.

My kids didn't watch tv at that age, and didn't miss it - neither did I, and I am the least involved parent 😂

But even nurseries have tv and let kids watch them at some point...

TheKeatingFive · 09/01/2025 16:33

M&S do kids ready meals too.

But you don't even need these, just really easy options like pasta/pesto/sweetcorn or a jacket potato and cheese.

Rowen32 · 09/01/2025 16:33

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:06

@OTannenbaumOTannenbaum and @ThejoyofNC Can I just point out - that as the Mum, I obviously look after my son every day, all week, every week etc. The hours I spend with my son far exceed the hours he spends with his DGM. Obviously this is how it should be, as I’m his Mum. My point is, that I spend lots of lots of hours looking after my son with no shortcuts, no screen time, no junk food etc. But especially with a chronic health condition, it would be nice if for a little bit of the time I spend with him, I could take the easy way. But I find that I can’t or I feel very guilty if I do, as those things have already been used by DMIL. So 100% of MILs time is easy. I’d like maybe 20% of my time to be easy. Does that make sense at all? Sorry if I’m not explaining it very well. My disability is a very big factor in this.

I think OP I would put him in full time childcare so you can have those shortcuts that are so vital to you..
There's no other way around it if she won't feed them your prepared food or cut down on TV.
I found with my toddler what stopped the constant asking for TV was cutting it out completely for a while and then we reintroduced it less often and it stopped that.

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:33

TheCompactPussycat · 09/01/2025 16:30

No, of course I'm not joking. An hour in the morning over breakfast, an hour in the evening to wind down after a full day at nursery.

You can think it's an insane amount if you want. I'll ask DS and DD whether they think it had any damaging effects when I take them back to their respective unis this weekend.

And @Crazycatlady79 wait until you hear about the weeks DD spent in a hospital bed - that was 12 hours a day!

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 16:33

Thank you very much to the posters who have taken the time to actually read my posts and appreciate the complex realities and nuances. Some of you have made me very emotional and given me some really good advice.

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LeopardPrintIsNeutral · 09/01/2025 16:33

Chilliinitiative · 09/01/2025 14:48

Wow so many replies already!

I do pay for childcare most of the week. Obviously MIL is saving us money by having him and I do appreciate that. I could pay more and put him in nursery full time. However there are always politics around this as MIL would definitely be offended and would miss her time with DS.

I have pre-made and sent food over in the past. She’s put it in the fridge and then ‘forgot’ about it.

MIL is retired. Therefore I also resent it a little bit that I have to juggle a job, being a Mum and also sort food for when she has a lot more free time and better health than I do.

I do think lots of posters haven’t quite grasped the reality of living with a chronic illness. I’m not hypocritical for giving DS TV and easy food. I’m disabled I sometimes have no choice.

I am very grateful for all the money it saves and I’m so glad DS is loved. It’s just frustrating because DS is asking for TV more and more. We have been playing with toys and playing games, doing crafts, reading books and every 10 minutes he’s been asking for the TV. It just makes me sad. His appetite for a range of food has also narrowed lately.

I’m also disabled, and I don’t begrudge my parents giving DD fish fingers and alphabites when they look after her, even though I too rely on freezer food. They’re doing me a massive favour. If she’s fed warm and loved, having freezer food several times a week is fine. I send a healthy snack box with fruit and veg in with hoummus and yogurt. She has low UPF breakfasts and so on. I think you need to let it go. her giving freezer food doesn’t mean you can’t. Alternatively I batch cook so I essentially have homemade ready meals. We also do easy teas like homemade baked beans, cheese and tomato pasta with the Jamie Oliver seven veg sauce that I batch, egg and soldiers, and so on. You’ve got this.

ThejoyofNC · 09/01/2025 16:33

Crazycatlady79 · 09/01/2025 16:26

2+ hours a day for a 2 year old? You're joking, right? That's an insane amount. 😳

Plenty of people leave the TV on in the background.

TheNuthatch · 09/01/2025 16:32

Bbq1 · 09/01/2025 15:16

Have you thought due to your healthy meal fixation and general TV ban, his grandmother is seeing it as giving him "treat" food (in her eyes) when he's with her and allowing him some Tv for them to enjoy together. It will make his time with gm different and maybe even give him fond memories. It's hardly giving him drugs and watching horror films!

Agree with this. MIL is probably just giving him something different, and something to look forward to that he doesn't often get at home. My GPs used to do the same for me and I loved it!
Op your son has a loving Granny who wants to spend time with him. She is worth her weight in gold and your son will benefit.
My dc are older now but looking back, many of the parenting rules that I thought were absolutely non negotiable have been completely debunked. By the time op is a granny, everything will be different again