The flaw in the traitors

They all fail to recognise that keeping quiet and flying below the radar can also be a tactic of a Traitor, even though this is a really obvious course of action. They seek a devil they can "see" instead. Seem to remember that's how Alyssa in s1 was caught.

It was awful. He was such a lovely bloke.
TBH that little clique are thick as mince, that is lamb mince as they all follow each other like sheep.

Good luck Kaz. We see them for what they are and I look forward to them being booted off with as much compassion as they dished out.

I think there's a certain type of man who badly wants to be a Traitor and gets super arsey when he isn't but knows someone else is. Everyone wants the upper hand in the game and almost everyone wants to be a Traitor, but some people find it easier to accept than others when they're not.

I can't stand Joe. What a horrible bully.

Yup he was being bullied. They forgot it was a game and they ostracised him.

I thought that round table was the best and good on Maia. Armani was so taken aback that she couldn't defend herself. If she'd had time to think she could have easily said 'yes I've been suspecting you too as you're behaving out of character'.

At least some of the group listened to Maia, otherwise you questitn the intelligence of the faithfuls😆

That's a rare example of having someone who would be in a good position to pick up changes so there's some logic there, but even then she said she was only "60% sure". In the overwhelming majority of cases, there really isn't anything concrete that you can reason from, so people come up with reasons because they've got to decide somehow.

Jaz clocked Paul and Harry because Paul repeated something to Jaz that Jaz had told only Harry...and Jaz realised that they had left the castle straight afterwards and Paul had come to him with it first thing the next day. He realised that the only way Harry could have passed this on to Paul would be if they had met at a Traitors' turret that evening. And he was right, of course. But he was careful not to let on to Harry that he knew. That was another example of being able to use reason, but again, it was rare. I'm still not over Harry winning after cocking up like that (it's a big blunder!) and Jaz being SO GOOD at staying in and keeping his powder dry until the end. Harry had no idea Jaz was on to him until that moment at the firepit!

I'm probably far too invested in this show but the 'late faithfuls' thing is a myth that's been debunked by former contestant Ivan on Twitter:

https://x.com/IvanBrett/status/1874826871747330342

Basically, in episodes 3, 5, 6 and 11 of the last series, a Traitor was amongst the last three to arrive at breakfast.

I am tempted to send this to The Rest Is Entertainment but I haven't yet.

Oh yes the good old "you save people by day so it makes sense you kill people by night" argument. (Edited to add; this is what he was accused of, verbatim). Just absolute rubbish based on nothing whatsoever. No common sense or critical thinking applied at all.

But it does show how humans behave when thrown into (in this case fake) survival situations. Bonding with a trusted group that has your back instictively becomes more of a survival priority than identifying the aberrant person. Nonsense arguments like the "Harold Shipman" one outlined above causes trusted allies to bond with you. This is more important to group survival than removing an intruder straightaway.

"There's honestly very little opportunity to use logic or reason. People go on feelings because that's really all they have. "

Ooh I don't know about this. I feel like I've seen lots of instances where there is compelling practical evidence which is ignored in favour of "gut feelings". For example the recent round table where the sister, in tears, said she thought her sister was the traitor. So, a person with 25? 30? years intimate and personal knowledge of this person saying they believe she is a traitor. Someone who is actually crying when they say it. Who is breaking the familial bond of loyalty and trust to say this, betraying their sister. But no everyone else knows best based on their "feels" of having known her for 5 minutes 😁

The only logical conclusion to be made from the sisters betrayal, if the faithfuls DIDNT believe the accused was a traitor, would be that the accuser was a traitor herself, trying to misapportion blame. But no faithful even considered that, and it was just swept under the carpet. This huge out of character family betrayal based on 25 years + knowledge of the person, and the dynamics of that, just ignored.

I feel like there have been many instances like this but I haven't watched previous series close enough to remember them exactly!! Maybe I will rewatch and come back.

The last two to arrive are not necessarily going to be faithfuls they could include one or more Traitors.

I felt so bad for Kaz when he tried explaining that he can't actually play the game properly because he wasn't being included in discussions.

I think they just get very paranoid in there! They just banished someone for having a proper job ie a doctor as that would make him a ‘good’ traitor’ apparently! Idiots.

they don’t know which 3 have been selected for ‘murder’ so perhaps it’s not obvious to them that the last one’s coming in were on the hit list and they do mix it up…

That’s valid as a traitor can’t kill a traitor. Never thought of it either.

I think sometimes they dint want to know. They just gang up on someone, often people they don’t like for some reason.

i felt sorry for Kaz, that was a shit reason, of him being a doctor, and they just ganged up on him. I think they sometimes don’t even care if it’s a traitor, as they don’t know, they just decide to eliminate someone they don’t like, they even isolated kaz.

often I think they try to pick on someone so it’s not them,

It will mean the group will think they've tried to kill someone with a shield. Which could be a problem or not

Loads of people are thinking that don't worry

Loads of people are thinking that don't worry

I also thought this. They’re doing well as a pair atm, why rock the boat? There will always be the chance to recruit later! Maybe the producers had a hand in order to shake things up a bit

Yes I’ve also heard that they film it multiple times in different groups. Although after the first take they must all know who was murdered, so presumably they’re faking the surprise?

I’m also always surprised at how they never target the quiet unassuming people at first. The ones who aren’t saying much should be the biggest targets! They’re almost always the most successful traitors. Look at Minah now, absolutely killing it.

But they also only refer to behaviours etc only seen in the take shown when discussing clues etc with each other or at elimination - so I still don't get it?

Yeah - madness to recruit on occasions they aren’t forced to… The fewer of them the better! I’m afraid I’d be murdering… 😂

This was exactly my point even in the last series!

Less chance of getting caught themselves and potentially more control in the group, depending on when the Traitors start turning on each other.

Why do traitors want to recruit more? I can’t see what the incentive for that is?

The penny dropped hey.
If only that was the only incoherence...