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Toddlers snatching at playgroup

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TwinMumWithNoName · 08/01/2025 21:47

Hi, just wondering what other people think of this. I have twins, boy/girl and they turned 2 a few months ago. At playgroup today my girl took a little bike thing off another girl who was about maybe 18 months. I seen it happen and went over and took her off the bike and gave it back. The mum was like oh its OK you don't need to do that she can have it but I said no it's ok she needs to learn not to do that. Anyway about ten mins later I was supervising my son on the bouncy castle and noticed my girl lying on the floor crying. Another mum told me that she had tried to take a ball off a boy prob 18months also and his mum snatched it back off her. She was sitting there while my daughter cried( I guess having a tantrum) and didn't say a word to me about what happened. A few mins later the woman and her son were playing with a ball and the son had toddled off with another ball and the mum was just sitting there with another. There were a whole load of balls around the mum. My girl was gathering them up to put down this big tube thing. She tried to take the mums ball and she was pulling it back and waving it away from her. Obviously I intervened and redirected my daughter to the other balls. I just thought it was really weird. I know my daughter isn't entitled to take what she wants but I found it odd the mum insisted on holding on to the ball when her son had one. They were football size balls so can only play with one at a time and the toys are there for the kids ot parents. I also think it's not OK to snatch back from my daughter and make her cry then just sit there as though it's nothing to do with you. I feel she should have got my attention given I was a few metres away and I would have intervened. I am trying to teach my children about turn taking and sharing but given they are just 2 they havent developed this skill yet and won't for some time. When a child takes something from mine I just let them wouldn't dream of snatching back off a 2 year old I get she probably felt like she was standing up for her smaller son but I think she was inappropriate. Am I been unreasonable thinking this?

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vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 14:42

Oops missed the joke 😁 good, have a good time at next meeting!

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 14:41

Oh. My. God. Why are you just going on and on and on
Ummm because its the theme of your post?

Because, indeed, not everybody is going to agree with you?

But go on and continue to think this mum was very wrong and make sure you make your views clear next time, I'm sure it will go down well with everyone.

Alternatively, you could forget about such an uninportant event and just focus on keeping an eye on your daughter and try to ensure you catch her before she actually snatch things from other people's hands.

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 14:25

Wishingplenty · 09/01/2025 13:57

I have always found it ridiculous that adults are effectively offended by babies at a playgroup. It defeats the whole purpose of going. I am on baby number 3 now, but if I were to be treated the way you were I would not think twice about calling it out now that I have more confidence.

Yeah it's weird and I don't get it, hence the point of this post. Now I've had a range of answers I still don't get adults behaving like that and if anything I'm now going to double down on making sure it doesn't happen again 🤣🤣that's a joke by the way, before the posts about how out of order I and my child are start 🤣

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 14:05

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:59

Of course I'm dramatising! To make a point that I think you dramatised the situation in the first place!

I personally can't think of any good reason for an adult to be waving the ball about, refusing to give it to her
I think this is where I disagree. You could also ask where your dd who had access to all the other balls and toys had to have a ball that was in someone's hands.

If it was another child, a bit older, who your dd had tried to snatch the ball from, do you feel that that child should have given it to your dd?

The fact it was an adult doesn't change the fact that snatching is not ok and shouldn't be rewarded. The mum wanted to keep that ball, for whatever reason, and there was nothing wrong with it. Maybe when tou were not looking, her boy had brought to her and asked to keep it. Who knows.

Oh. My. God. Why are you just going on and on and on. I've said twice let's agree to disagree. You've made it clear that you think the other mum was in her rights to keep the ball. Ok that's fine that's your opinion. And for the last time, my daughter is TWO. That's the huge difference, one has zero understanding yet and is focused on one ball and the other is a grown up who should have enough maturity and self awareness to know that. And no as I have said multiple times I do intervene when she tries to snatch off another child, regardless of their age. Do you know why, because that's appropriate adult behaviour.

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 13:59

I will continue to observe and correct my children and just keep redirecting them away from other parents like that. Was just taken aback by the situation yesterday.

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vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:59

Of course I'm dramatising! To make a point that I think you dramatised the situation in the first place!

I personally can't think of any good reason for an adult to be waving the ball about, refusing to give it to her
I think this is where I disagree. You could also ask where your dd who had access to all the other balls and toys had to have a ball that was in someone's hands.

If it was another child, a bit older, who your dd had tried to snatch the ball from, do you feel that that child should have given it to your dd?

The fact it was an adult doesn't change the fact that snatching is not ok and shouldn't be rewarded. The mum wanted to keep that ball, for whatever reason, and there was nothing wrong with it. Maybe when tou were not looking, her boy had brought to her and asked to keep it. Who knows.

Wishingplenty · 09/01/2025 13:57

I have always found it ridiculous that adults are effectively offended by babies at a playgroup. It defeats the whole purpose of going. I am on baby number 3 now, but if I were to be treated the way you were I would not think twice about calling it out now that I have more confidence.

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 13:55

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:50

because the last thing you want is a petty mum using any of your child's innocent transgressions to be used as an excuse to treat them poorly
But that's not whappened here. OP's dd snatched once. OP intervened. She snatched a second time, OP wasn't supervising so the mum took the same action that OP had before.

Dd then tried to snatch a third time, and that mum didn't let her. She was correct. What should she had given dd the ball when she was, fir a third time, again, trying to snatch?

Nothing wrong happened at all. Two years old snatching. Normal.

Other parent copying what the child parent did previously in same situation: great.

Other parent showing that she can't always snatch, therefore reinforcing the message: helpful.

I still don't get why OP feels that the correct behaviour should have given her dd the ball after she tried to snatch it from the other mum's hands.

You need to read the original post again. The first time she took the ball off the child and the mum apparently snatched it back. I never seen it but don't necessarily disagree that she took it back as I stated. I disagree that my daughter was crying and when I came iver she said nothing when she knew full well why she was crying. About five mins later her son had walked off with a ball and my daughter was gathering the balls up and tried to take one off the adult who was sitting with it alone surrounded by lots of other balls. She refused to give her it and was waving it about. The adult clearly didn't need that specific ball there were lots of other balls. She understands that. A 2 year old does not.

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 13:50

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:05

but withholding more balls was inappropriate. You are probably right and she intimated my daughter and embarrassed her. Absolutely not acceptable for anyone to do that to a 2 year old. Its not developmentally appropriate at all!
I fully disagree. For one, not giving your dd the ball is inappropriate. She would have her reason. Not knowing or understanding the reason doesn't make it wrong.

Also, ahe didn't embarass or shame your dd. Its the totally natural response of a toddler who is learning social cues. It's actually great that your dd gets to learn about this aspect of social life from other people than just you.

Please don't be that parent who consider their child to be so precious, any upset they experience becomes a crime and anyone involved a criminal.

Your daughter learn a good lesson that day. She is not going to be traumatised by it. She will quickly moved on psychologically but will remember next time, or after a new next time. Same as all aspects of learning.

I think you are really dramatising this now 🤣at no point did I infer there was any criminality. Of course she isn't going to be traumatised, that goes without saying. Like I said she is barely two years old, her behaviour was developmentally normal, i don't feel like the adults was. I personally can't think of any good reason for an adult to be waving the ball about, refusing to give it to her. As i stated her son had walked off with a ball and was happily toddling about elsewhere. If Im expected to give the adult so much leeway in her behaviour then I should expect the same for my toddler. I was annoyed yesterday, although didn't do anything at the group just had a vent on here and now I don't care. She's my child,she's generally well behaved, doesn't hit etc and the snatching is a new behaviour which she will learn not to do through me and other children not from another adult who she doesn't know from Adam. So again, let's agree to disagree.

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vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:50

because the last thing you want is a petty mum using any of your child's innocent transgressions to be used as an excuse to treat them poorly
But that's not whappened here. OP's dd snatched once. OP intervened. She snatched a second time, OP wasn't supervising so the mum took the same action that OP had before.

Dd then tried to snatch a third time, and that mum didn't let her. She was correct. What should she had given dd the ball when she was, fir a third time, again, trying to snatch?

Nothing wrong happened at all. Two years old snatching. Normal.

Other parent copying what the child parent did previously in same situation: great.

Other parent showing that she can't always snatch, therefore reinforcing the message: helpful.

I still don't get why OP feels that the correct behaviour should have given her dd the ball after she tried to snatch it from the other mum's hands.

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:41

Equally - why does this other mum think she's got a right to 'teach' OPs daughter ... Knobhead behaviour!
She didn't purposely teach her anything. She kept the ball which was her right to do. OP's dd learn from the situation naturally.

ArentYouAshamed · 09/01/2025 13:36

I used to run three non-profit playgroups a week. Some kids make it like the movie Lord of The Flies! But you can always see where they get it. Mums/dads/GPs can be a bloody nightmare. One little boy was often violent towards all the other children (in a quite frankly, disturbing way!) and when you met the mum you could tell why. She wasn't violent though, never told him off, spanked him, shouted or anything. She was permissive. She'd smile sweetly, proudly watching him shove a just started walking baby at the ground. Repeatedly. It. Was. Nuts.

She honestly didn't think her little Dudley Dursley could do any wrong. If he punched a kid in the stomach it was because that boy obviously hit him first (they never did). If he gouged at a toddler's eye it was a "boys will be boys" thing. If he snatched a toy then it was because they weren't sharing and were being mean.
One time I watched her go up to a small child, lift them off one of the two red cars and place him, now wailing, on the floor and hand the car to her son. The other car was available but her boy didn't want that one.

He's almost a high schooler now. Throughout the whole 7 years of primary(s) he was most kid's nightmare. And he got away with it because his mum was a local teacher. Ironically she was quite the cow of a teacher too. Very shouty and strict. As long as it was never her kids of course.

OP, don't worry about what everyone else is doing. Just make sure your kids are strictly observed and corrected quickly because the last thing you want is a petty mum using any of your child's innocent transgressions to be used as an excuse to treat them poorly. And if they're acting childishly towards your child for no reason (it does happen) then simply tell your child what's going on, loud enough for people to hear.

"I know darling, some people do things like that. It's very silly so let's just leave them to it and go do xxx or xxx"

Pigsinblankets13 · 09/01/2025 13:11

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:05

but withholding more balls was inappropriate. You are probably right and she intimated my daughter and embarrassed her. Absolutely not acceptable for anyone to do that to a 2 year old. Its not developmentally appropriate at all!
I fully disagree. For one, not giving your dd the ball is inappropriate. She would have her reason. Not knowing or understanding the reason doesn't make it wrong.

Also, ahe didn't embarass or shame your dd. Its the totally natural response of a toddler who is learning social cues. It's actually great that your dd gets to learn about this aspect of social life from other people than just you.

Please don't be that parent who consider their child to be so precious, any upset they experience becomes a crime and anyone involved a criminal.

Your daughter learn a good lesson that day. She is not going to be traumatised by it. She will quickly moved on psychologically but will remember next time, or after a new next time. Same as all aspects of learning.

Equally - why does this other mum think she's got a right to 'teach' OPs daughter ... Knobhead behaviour!

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 13:05

but withholding more balls was inappropriate. You are probably right and she intimated my daughter and embarrassed her. Absolutely not acceptable for anyone to do that to a 2 year old. Its not developmentally appropriate at all!
I fully disagree. For one, not giving your dd the ball is inappropriate. She would have her reason. Not knowing or understanding the reason doesn't make it wrong.

Also, ahe didn't embarass or shame your dd. Its the totally natural response of a toddler who is learning social cues. It's actually great that your dd gets to learn about this aspect of social life from other people than just you.

Please don't be that parent who consider their child to be so precious, any upset they experience becomes a crime and anyone involved a criminal.

Your daughter learn a good lesson that day. She is not going to be traumatised by it. She will quickly moved on psychologically but will remember next time, or after a new next time. Same as all aspects of learning.

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 12:20

Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 12:05

'Gatekeeping'? This thread gets better and better - you've turned a very minor nothing into some diplomatic incident and made the playgroup sound like a fun and really relaxed place to be (that's irony by the way), I'll leave you to it.

🤣🤣take a day off Karen

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Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 12:05

'Gatekeeping'? This thread gets better and better - you've turned a very minor nothing into some diplomatic incident and made the playgroup sound like a fun and really relaxed place to be (that's irony by the way), I'll leave you to it.

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 11:58

vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 09:44

I don't think she was appropriate and that's why I was annoyed
You don't know that because you didn't see it. You are making assumptions because your girl cried. She probably cried because a stranger did what her mum does but when it's a stranger, it's more embarrassing, intimidating and an unknown situation. It's good for your daughter to learn that it's not just something that matters to her mum but a social rule.

This tendency to never want strangers to be involved in teaching social conduct and automatically inferring that this stranger was a threat to the child is doing no favour to young generation who dodgy need to learn that their world is wider than those confined to their close family.

I didn't infer she was threatening to my child. I was clear in the original post that I could understand her standing up for her child and taking the ball back (to an extent) but withholding more balls was inappropriate. You are probably right and she intimated my daughter and embarrassed her. Absolutely not acceptable for anyone to do that to a 2 year old. Its not developmentally appropriate at all!! To be honest causing a child of any age to feel shame is not on. If my child was school aged I'd understand another adult correcting their behaviour in a kind manner but not at 2 years old. Adults responding to toddlers like toddlers is ridiculous. I think it's best to agree to disagree as we clearly have very different styles of parenting

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 11:51

Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 09:37

Actually, I've just reread your posts and you've said this other mum lacks emotional intelligence and 'if she does it again I'll say something'. You didn't even see it happen! Hopefully she'll be avoiding you!

Wow you need to calm down 🤣 i agreed with the poster who stated she lacks emotional intelligence. I also stated more than once that I had let it go and I'm not that bothered about it today. I also advised that other mums had witnessed it who have no reason to randomly make that up. I did witness her gatekeeping the ball from my two year old child which is what I'm referring saying something to her about. That's the inappropriate behaviour, it's an adult who should know better behaving like a child. I'm also sure she will continue to avoid me and all the other mums and children as she has done for months.

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vivainsomnia · 09/01/2025 09:44

I don't think she was appropriate and that's why I was annoyed
You don't know that because you didn't see it. You are making assumptions because your girl cried. She probably cried because a stranger did what her mum does but when it's a stranger, it's more embarrassing, intimidating and an unknown situation. It's good for your daughter to learn that it's not just something that matters to her mum but a social rule.

This tendency to never want strangers to be involved in teaching social conduct and automatically inferring that this stranger was a threat to the child is doing no favour to young generation who dodgy need to learn that their world is wider than those confined to their close family.

Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 09:37

Actually, I've just reread your posts and you've said this other mum lacks emotional intelligence and 'if she does it again I'll say something'. You didn't even see it happen! Hopefully she'll be avoiding you!

Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 09:32

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 09:01

Yeah she was having a tantrum because she is 2 and doesnt understand why she cant have the ball. It's my job to teach her that though not some randomer at playgroup in a passive aggressive way.

But you didn't see the interchange as you were supervising your son on the bouncy castle. Overseeing 2 must be difficult - bring a friend to help or let some stuff go?

TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 09:01

Lifestooshort71 · 09/01/2025 07:56

I think you are overreacting. You were told the mum snatched the ball back but you didn't see this yourself. Obviously snatching isn't OK, but you weren't there for the mum to raise it with you (did she know you were the mum?) so she took the ball back for her son. She is likely teaching him people can't just take things from you.
This with bells on. Snatching or taking it back? You are doing the right thing by teaching your 2 to share and not 'snatch' but it sounds as though your kid was just having a tantrum because she couldn't have that particular ball. The other mum's take on it is likely to be different - neither of you right nor wrong but both just looking out for their own.

Yeah she was having a tantrum because she is 2 and doesnt understand why she cant have the ball. It's my job to teach her that though not some randomer at playgroup in a passive aggressive way.

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 08:56

bzarda · 09/01/2025 08:07

I would never snatch a ball/any toy from a child but if a child does take something my little girl (20 months) is playing with I do often ask the child to give it back ("she's playing with this at the moment. When she's done it will be your turn") and redirect them to another toy. I don't involve parents partly because normally they're off having coffees and not watching their child and partly because I am trying to model standing up for yourself in an appropriate way for my daughter, so she can advocate for herself when I'm not there.
It's hard because some children are allowed to go unchecked and ruin the fun for everyone at these playgroups (not saying this is true of your children at all) and I think that may cause some parents to act irrationally in 'defence' of their children. I do find it hard to watch children snatching things off my child because she hasn't reached that stage herself yet and is very shy of other toddlers so just let's herself be pushed around. But I would never act like the mother you are describing has, I do think that's a bit lacking in emotional intelligence.

I know it isn't nice and I don't allow them to snatch if I see it. I don't mind other parents intervening in an appropriate way either to help their child stand up for themselves. I don't think she was appropriate and that's why I was annoyed. I agree it's the lack of emotional intelligence thag got my back up.

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 08:52

JaneBoleynViscountessRochford · 09/01/2025 07:57

This is why I never did playgroups tbh, adults acting like toddlers should have fully developed self awareness and actually debating as to who is ‘entitled’ to play with the toys. Absolutely batshit and I would have ended up being thrown out if someone made my DC cry like that and then just left them to it or saw a grown adult refusing to give a child a toy because they were gatekeeping it.

This was my take exactly, you are an adult my daughter is 2!! Today I'm not caring, she does it again I'll say something ut I'll just continue to try and keep my kids away from her.

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TwinMumWithNoName · 09/01/2025 08:50

user23124 · 09/01/2025 07:48

Play groups bring our batshit behaviour in some people. I once watched a grown woman cry because her DD had a plastic tomato taken off.

Hahaha its so bizarre. This is the only one I go to, it's a nightmare trying to monitor two two year olds and navigate and manage not only their behaviour but apparently other adults 🤣

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