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Cleaner has cost me £1600

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Bootsybugs22 · 08/01/2025 19:47

I was out of the country for two days and my regular ckeaner (for 5 months) went in to clean whilst I was away. She letnherself in via a back door key left in a safe place. Our decking is really slippy so I said if she needed to go in and out she coulds use the front door once she was in. I text her to say the front door keys were square yale , labelled and in a key pot in the hall.

We have a front modern door to the porch and an older wooden self locking door from porch to house.

She called me whilst away to say she was locked in the porch because the keys i left didn't fit the door. She had picked up some other keys out the fruit bowl in the kitchen.

I called a locksmith. In the meantime she called back and said that stressful situations increase her risk of a seizure (she's epileptic) and I needed to get her out now. So I called my neighbour and asked them to force the rear back paito door. This is because the cleaner had passed the keys she had through the letterbox and one of them was for the rear patio door but not the main opener. So the neighbour tried to force the secondary door open as it could be unlocked. Anyway door got broken in the process.

Locksmith arrived. Drilled the lock, got her out, fitted a new lock. But before he'd arrived the door had been damaged by the neighbour (I gave them permission to force the door)

Today I paid the locksmith £85. Had a man round to quote on repair of the door (£1500 for new set of doors.... not repairable).

I messaged the cleaner and asked if she had insurance. She's now blocked me on WhatsApp but messaged me separately on normal text messaging to say she cancelled her insurance last year when she got her epilepsy diagnosis (why?!).

I'm at a total loss. AIBU that I want SOME recompense even if uts £85?

OP posts:
Paisleyandpolkadots · 08/01/2025 21:38

My cleaner has a key to our house. All my cleaners over the years have had their own key. Sometimes we're here and sometimes we're not. I think it's safer than hiding it somewhere round the back.

I'd be finding another cleaner and making sure the arrangements are foolproof. My cleaner uses my own vacuum and cleaning products. When she runs out, she leaves the bottles out for me to rebuy.

It could have been worse if she slipped on the slippery deck and claimed for a couple of broken legs. I'd be giving the new cleaner a front door key and a porch key in future.

I have had a few weird cleaners over the years. I particularly remember one of them taking to a polished wooden table with a dish brush and detergent. She thought it felt greasy - it had some special heatproof coating on it. She also managed to rip a blind down from a window doing who knows what. Most of them have been great though.

Rumplestiltz · 08/01/2025 21:38

I find the lack of empathy for the cleaner here quite extraordinary. Imagine if this has happened in your own workplace because you had made a mistake. She messed up but it's not that hard to imagine closing a front door with a set of keys in your hand that you believe would open the porch door and then absolutely panicking when you realise you are trapped. Particularly if you have a serious health condition? Yes it's tough on the OP, but the hate on the cleaner here is really unwarranted.

thecherryfox · 08/01/2025 21:37

You seemed to send her all around the houses instead of it just being simple. I don’t blame her for being confused and then needing to be rescued. I don’t think it’s fair to cost that much, no - but hopefully you get to make it easier for another cleaner in the future

MumblesParty · 08/01/2025 21:29

Lunde · 08/01/2025 21:22

You instructed the neighbour to force the door and now you are upset that he did. I don't really see how this is the cleaner's fault.

@Lunde because if the cleaner had a) realised that if you pull a door shut behind you you might not be able to open it again, and b) picked up the correct key as instructed, none of this would have happened.

BeamMeTheFuckUp · 08/01/2025 21:29

DragonFly98 · 08/01/2025 20:03

i don’t really understand why it would be stressful if you have a phone. Just sit down and watch Netflix or TikTok. You know someone is on their way.

I have a family member who is also claustrophobic and epileptic. He gets very distressed and acts very panicky if he doesn't have a way out, he has indeed had fits when he's gotten stressed and something that stressed him he first started fitting was having a fit in a place he couldn't easily be reached for medical help, I can't totally understand why the cleaner would find it stressful.

Getinther · 08/01/2025 21:29

WishinAndHopin · 08/01/2025 20:55

It wasn't a real risk though. If she truly thought she was at risk of a seizure she should have calmly laid down on the floor on her side. The neighbour could have then kept an eye in case a seizure did happen.

She had been working on her own unsupervised in the house the whole time so she can't have been at that much risk.

I have epilepsy and think she was being melodramatic. She's taking advantage of people's conflation of epilepsy with cataplexy, which is triggered by emotions.

I completely agree with this. She took advantage of OPs kindness.

Beautifulbouquet · 08/01/2025 21:29

As employer its your responsibility to do health and safety risk assessments and provide training, neither of which you rid and both of which directly contributed to the costs.

IkeaJesusChrist · 08/01/2025 21:28

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 21:23

The woman isn't "stupid", "thick" etc just because she got confused by an unfamiliar door system ffs

She picked up a wrong key from a totally different room.

TotHappy · 08/01/2025 21:27

These kind of porch set ups are really common round here. Usually because the porch is an add on after the house is built I think. I haven't heard of anyone locking themselves in the porch, I suppose probably because they're usually coming in the front door so that will be unlocked if they don't have the yale. What a pain, OP, I know that regretful feeling but I don't think you did anything wrong. I also don't think home insurance will pay but its worth a try, perhaps.

Switcher · 08/01/2025 21:27

Actually I think this is completely the cleaners fault. Not much help though.

Frostyaf · 08/01/2025 21:26

Imagine if she hadn't had her phone.

PreFabBroadBean · 08/01/2025 21:26

I don't know if this will be of any use to you, but when we needed new patio doors recently, we trawled through ebay, and found some the exact size, and DH fitted them. It actually took a few weeks for ones to come up locally, but it was an absolute bargain. Might be worth a try, even though it's a long shot.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 21:23

The woman isn't "stupid", "thick" etc just because she got confused by an unfamiliar door system ffs

Lunde · 08/01/2025 21:22

You instructed the neighbour to force the door and now you are upset that he did. I don't really see how this is the cleaner's fault.

HolyStyleFailBatman · 08/01/2025 21:22

Ugh this all sounds really painful so sending you sympathy. I dream of having a cleaner but these kinds of stories make me realise what a pain in the arse it can actually be. I hope you get some of your money back

Roselilly36 · 08/01/2025 21:09

I doubt if this will be covered by home insurance to be honest, horrible situation, so sorry OP.

Goldfsh · 08/01/2025 21:05

MartinCrieffsLemon · 08/01/2025 20:23

You could have got a key safe fitted as a safe place
Like lots of Air B'n'Bs and elderly people have

This is really good advice - most of my friends (and I) have these key boxes now. With Ring cameras everywhere as well, it's not much of a risk. And has been used several times when one of us has been out without a key!

I'd also recommend having a neighbour with a spare key - really useful.

CluelessAboutBiology · 08/01/2025 21:02

Getbackinthebox · 08/01/2025 20:44

She has perhaps never had insurance but legally she is supposed to have it as a self employed person working in other people's homes! However, given all that happened, even if she had insurance I suspect the insurance company would be trying to argue she wasn't liable and put the blame on you. It is a difficult situation I can see. You would be better off finding a different cleaner, especially now you know she doesn't have insurance.

That’s not correct. As a self-employed individual she is not legally required to have any insurance to work in other people’s homes.

Goldfsh · 08/01/2025 21:00

I think it's on you really because locking yourself into a porch is a pickle that you could have forseen! It sounds like a really dangerous set up. What if you or someone else had just let the door slam behind them in some situation? It's not great.

Barrenfieldoffucks · 08/01/2025 20:58

WishinAndHopin · 08/01/2025 20:48

It was entirely the cleaner's fault. She was thick enough to pick up the wrong keys and lock herself in the porch. She made a huge fuss and claimed being locked in the porch might cause her a seizure, forcing a dramatic rescue rather than calmly waiting a little bit for a locksmith.

As someone with epilepsy, if she was that sensitive she wouldn't be able to work! She's well enough to work on her own in your house completely unsupervised, so she was in no particular extra danger in your porch.

She's cost you a small fortune. However, I don't think you'll get any money out of her as ultimately you gave the go ahead to break the door. You'll have to chalk it up to experience and hire someone more reliable and less stupid next time.

Agreed. Cleaner can't follow very simple instructions and has zero common sense by the sounds of it.

Wonderberry · 08/01/2025 20:56

Most importantly, this door sounds like a fire hazard. You shouldn't have anything that would obstruct your exit in the event of a fire. Time to remove the uPVC monstrosity, and save money, and possibly your lives down the line in the process? One door is enough.

WishinAndHopin · 08/01/2025 20:55

joliefolle · 08/01/2025 20:49

OP - someone told you they were in distress and at real risk of a serious health crisis. You did what you had to do. Sorry that it cost you so much financially and I know that is no small sum of money but please try not to dwell on any coulda, woulda, shoulda thoughts. You know now that a key safe in the porch would be a wise idea but the most important thing to take away from this is, you did the right thing by someone in distress.

It wasn't a real risk though. If she truly thought she was at risk of a seizure she should have calmly laid down on the floor on her side. The neighbour could have then kept an eye in case a seizure did happen.

She had been working on her own unsupervised in the house the whole time so she can't have been at that much risk.

I have epilepsy and think she was being melodramatic. She's taking advantage of people's conflation of epilepsy with cataplexy, which is triggered by emotions.

blubberyboo · 08/01/2025 20:55

WiddlinDiddlin · 08/01/2025 20:49

Oh I think I'd attempt to get her to cover some of the costs.

She lied and said she had insurance, she also pushed you to instruct people to force doors because of her health issue...

She failed to follow pretty simple instructions, and that is unarguably a large part of being a bloody cleaner.

So yes, whilst I don't think the full costs should be hers to bear I do think she should contribute something.

Tell her you'd like her to contribute, and you'll have to claim on your insurance and they will want to know what happened, so if she doesn't contribute directly they may chase her for the money.

Assuming you have some means of sending her a letter before action anyway!

I don't see why the cleaner would be liable for any of this.
She clearly was never left alone before which suggests there is no contract for her to be a keyholder- evidenced by the fact she had no keys of her own. This means she has not been taught the key system. OP did not warn her that the outer door cannot be opened from inside unless you have a key and that it's possible to get locked in the middle.
The householder had a system that allows someone to be trapped in a space so obviously no risk assessment done.

The cleaner was experiencing a medical event that required a door to be broken open. If emergency services had needed to be called they would have broken the door also.

The cleaner also did not break the door herself.
It is OPs responsibility to ensure her home is safe.
The old yale lock on the inner needs to be removed or the outer door needs to have a similar lock that can be opened from the inside.

Marblediamond · 08/01/2025 20:55

Not great but better think this from a positive perspective. What if she gets a seizure there alone? What if she could not call you; you may have been in trouble and investigated by the police not to mention the tragedy that that could be.

As you were employing her; shouldn’t you check she has insurance or provide one?

Do you have home insurance? Hopefully you can claim

Nchanged89 · 08/01/2025 20:55

Do you have home insurance OP?