accused a fake grooming scandal

@Chipsahoy Please go to YouTube and input The Phantom Rape Gang. It will give you more information on that case.

@Chipsahoy I think you are correct. Check out the James English podcast I mentioned previously. Tommy exonerated Mo Rammy from those allegations. But it's obvious this was a very disturbed girl.

Okay, I've just come back to this and this will be my last post on the subject. Does anyone recognise the irony that no-one wants to look at The Rape of Britain documentaries because they were produced and fronted by Tommy Robinson? Even though there are first hand accounts from victims, many of whom were sceptical about Tommy. Or Plantation II, The Rise of the Celts (which has a clip of someone reporting when a teenage lad runs past half naked after saying he's been raped by illegal immigrants).
Remember that most of the gang rape victims were dismissed by authorities because they were from the wrong backgrounds. They weren't the perfect messengers but they were telling the truth. It saddens me that so many people who have been appalled by these rape gangs are not even going to hear their testimonies because they have been given to Tommy Robinson. And that is the crux of the problem. No matter your views about Tommy Robinson, at least show the victims some respect and hear their stories. Because they have been voiceless and ignored for decades. Which is why it still continues today.

Ever wonder why she lied? Not saying what she has done is right, but no one in their right mind does that. I suspect she’s been abused, a lot. Accusing someone else who is “safe” is actually very common.

Focusing on false accusations is taking away from the real ones.

All I can ask is that you protect your daughters (and sons, if you look at the rapes of young boys in Ireland so that mothers now worry about their sons)

I live in Ireland. That is categorically not true. What on earth are you talking about? As for Tommy Robinson, he was practically run out of Ireland when he was here hanging around with the far right last year. Apparently some were involved with his 'documentary'. His documentary is bullshit.

I am sorry @BookyGilly but we are going to have to agree to disagree. Yaxley-Lennon is really not someone I would hitch my wagon to. He is not some sort of hero.

Do you know who runs Urban Scoop?

I have every sympathy and admiration for Sammy Woodhouse. It doesn't mean I have to agree with all of her views.

@PandoraSox He's probably the most knowledgeable person in Britain on this subject. Don't let your prejudice about the messenger stop you from hearing the message. Those documentaries give first hand accounts from victims. Tommy is a working class Douglas Murray. He became involved when his cousin was groomed and was found running practically naked down a street by local prostitutes. Andrew Norfolk, who is most often credited with exposing the gangs has said himself, he sat on the story for years because he feared it would cause bad race relations. It was only after the EDL was formed from the United People of Luton, that Norfolk went ahead and wrote so he could spin the narrative. Watch Tommy's Oxford Union speech on YouTube to see where it all started. Also, Sammy Woodhouse, a former victim and campaigner, also works for Urban Scoop. Is she on the approved viewing list?

With all due respect @BookyGilly The Rape of Britain is made by Urban Scoop, who seem very shadowy, and "stars" Yaxley-Lennon.

@PandoraSox I understand paedophiles are from all backgrounds. It's the nature of these crimes that is specific to Muslims. Here in the UK it's predominantly Pakistani. In France it's predominantly north Africans. In the UK, around one third of those convicted are called Mohammed. They follow a religion that sees infidel women as trash. Obviously not all Muslims are part of these gangs but there are sufficient numbers for it to be an open secret. In Telford, which has a relatively small Muslim population, around 30+% of men were involved. Throughout the West, from Sweden, to Ireland to Belgium, the one thing that the gangs share is their Islamic faith. Having read the Koran, it is something that should be openly discussed and challenged. If you go to YouTube search for The Rape of Britain. It's a series of documentaries about the rape gangs in Telford. Btw, Oldham Council (who are part of the problem) said they would reach out to Telford Council (who were also part of the problem) in order set up a local investigation. But Telford's inquiry was a cover up. The victims were told that any information given that named someone, their details would be given to the perpetrators.
Watch the documentaries for a more comprehensive understanding of how they occur in just one town.

@BookyGilly I am so sorry for what your friend has been through and how it has affected you. I don't think anyone on this thread is denying that the grooming gangs are horrific and we must do much more to protect our vulnerable young people.

But most Muslim people are decent ordinary people and it is not right to blame them collectively for these horrors.

I don't want to do whataboutery on this thread, but data is now beginning to be collected on grooming gangs. It is still early days so no firm conclusions can be drawn yet, but the data is clearly showing that grooming gangs are from all sorts of cultures.

Eta: this is a very good article from the FT. There is a link there to the data that has been collected so far.

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Please tell me your belief in The Guardian is a parody? I don't know who you are or where you live but if you don't understand, despite all the evidence from the 1970's onwards that probably over 250,000 children have been raped, tortured and murdered in the name of diversity. If you have children (even boys as the Irish mothers are now worried about). Please don't dismiss these atrocities because you haven't been affected by them yet. It's only a matter of time before you will have to protect not only your daughters but also your sons (as Irish mothers are worried about). Just be brave enough to say that some cultures are better than others. Would you rather be called racist than protecting your own children?

I think the documentary should hopefully get the public to at least be a bit more sceptical about some of the claims that are being thrown about on the likes of Elon Musk’s X now that this issue is in the spotlight. We really live in an age of disinformation, where people would sooner trust what some random bloke with 500,000 followers on social media says, over trusted veteran journalists who work at publications like The Guardian.

@BookyGilly The case is definitely an anomaly but the point I was trying to make was that within that small radius there were so many men who were willing to rape a woman. They are all around us all the time basically, we just don't know who would do it given the opportunity.

But do you think that is an anomaly? It was so outrageous it shocked everyone. But the "grooming gangs" aka rape squads have been part of British society for decades. There's newspaper articles from the 1970's talking about 15 year old girls being used by these men. And don't forget the torture and blackmail they underwent. They were plied with drink and drugs, forcibly made into heroin addicts, filmed being gang raped and told if they went to the police their mothers and sisters would be raped too. And in Telford alone there has been 5 murders by these animals.
When a 12 year old girl who is being gang raped over the road from the main mosque in Oxford, after Friday prayers, and says she will go to the police, she had her tongue nailed to a kitchen table.
Please read the book "Easy Meat" by Peter McGlouglin and, as Elon Musk has done, read the court transcripts. Btw, unlike other court cases, the media was stopped from daily reporting. It meant that such testimonies wouldn't be given publicly every day. It was only on the last day that any testimony information could be reported. Which meant it had to be condensed and the public were never given the full extent of the horror's these children went through.

You just have to look at France to see that things like this (not exactly like in your example though but still white european men) happens. Dominique Pelicot managed to find at least 80 men within a 30 mile radius to come and rape his unconscious wife. I don’t think any men in my family would do that either but all these men are family to someone.

Btw, that was a mistake. Aiysha was 9 when he raped her. It says in the sunnah's that she was playing with her dolls. Under Islam you can't have faces on dolls or pictures etc unless you are a child. So that 54 year old monster is being heralded as the ultimate person to follow. And he said that as a Muslim you can have up to four wife's but take as many as your right arms hold of non-Muslims as slaves, which means sexual slaves. And please read the court documents of the rape gangs. Whilst these children were being raped and tortured they were being called white c**ts, white slags, white whores, etc. And none of the perpetrators were ever convincted for hate crimes on top of their abuse.

Btw, this is a sore topic for me. My lovely friend who was gang raped by 6 Muslim taxi drivers in Leeds committed suicide last year. And I've had one of the Rotherham survivors stay with me. I took her into a takeaway at the end of the night and she had a total meltdown.
What really gets me is that mumsnet is so full of middle class women who embrace diversity and don't understand that some cultures are better than others. They pretend it's because us working class are uneducated. I'm working class, live on an ex council estate. I have a BA in politics and history, an MA in adult education, a teaching certificate to produce courses for other further education tutors. My nearest neighbours have a criminology degree, the other was a biology teacher and became a radiographer.
We absolutely have family members from other races and religions, because the working classes are always the ones who do this. We are the ones who embrace and accept other cultures because they are placed amongst us. And in my town, we've seen car washes with secret rooms above them with mattresses for the monsters to gang rape children.
It's not politically correct, but the black and white residents know that the problem is Islam. We all have Muslim friends. But I remember in my ex workplace a young Muslim lad saying to his friend, The PK love the MB, which means the Pakistani's love the milk bottles (white girls).
Any mumsnet parents reading this. Everything is the truth. I don't have children and have no skin in the game. All I can ask is that you protect your daughters (and sons, if you look at the rapes of young boys in Ireland so that mothers now worry about their sons).
You can feel virtuous and anti-racist as much as you want (btw, Islam is not a race, but it's an ideology that says to follow Mohammed is to be be the best Muslim. He was a warlord who married his wife Aiysha when she was 6 years old and had sex with her when she was 8, and he was in his 50's.

TBH I'm just glad she was jailed; others who've engaged in this dreadful behaviour haven't been

It doesn't detract from the horror of the real rape victims - though I suspect it was intended to - because, quite simply, two things can be wrong at the same time

How many English child rapists will have a grandfather raping a 12 year old girl, then call his grandson who turns up in his school uniform to rape her too? Do you really think that if your husband, father, brother, son, cousin had a family WhatsApp to say we've got an 11, 12, 13 year old girl here for us? I don't know about your family but the men in mine would beat the shit out of them before handing them over to the police l.

This. Perfectly said.

There's a big old fuss about men being falsely accused and the narrative is that it happens all the time... The reality is it absolutely doesn't (men are 230 times more likely to be raped by another man than falsely accused by a woman).

No one should ever lie and there should be consequences, but considering conviction rates for (actual) rapes are sitting at around 1% I can't get too worked up about demonising this girl.

Rather interesting that it's being spoken about whilst theres currently a big old cover up going on and people trying to change the narrative about torture and rape gangs that DID harm girls on a mass scale.

Could you provide information regarding this?

Just a heads up. Please put aside your prejudices and watch Anything Goes with James English on YouTube. A Scottish man who interviews Tommy Robinson and Mo Rammy. The title to watch is Falsely Accused by Eleanor Williams- Tommy Robinson Helps Muslim Mo Rammy Clear (his name). Despite all the mainstream media allegations against Tommy, Mo will tell you he was the only journalist seeking the truth. Mo agreed to meet with Tommy and, if you look at the interview at around 1 hour, these are both men who love their children and have been unjustly vilified by the mainstream media and unsubstantiated gossip because they want to tell the truth. They are both great friends today. Mo said, when Tommy came to town I had nothing to hide and he would be able to vindicate that. Tommy had evidence to question the claims and exonerated Mo. They are still good friends today. There's a hilarious video of what happens when, Tommy Robinson, a Muslim and a traveller meet in a pub. The banter is fab.

How is that relevant to the question I asked you ?

Although based on your posts on other threads I’m starting to think that you are writing deliberately goady posts.

It's a crying shame that the work by Maggie Oliver, Ann Cryer, Robbie Moore, Charlie Peters and countless others didn't get this kind of reach or impact that we've seen explode from the ramblings of Elon Musk. But I guess that's how things turn out.

Absolutely this! I had the same thought when BBC came out with the documentary about the man who was abused by his girlfriend. He went on to do interviews to raise awareness of womens abuse towards men. Meanwhile a woman is killed by their abusive partner or ex every 5 days in the UK. For some reason this man's case deserved much more exposure than all of those women's cases put together. Why is it always poor men every time the relatively small number of them gets subjected to the horrific crimes women have been subjected to since the beginning of time.