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How do you cope with the PTA?

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GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 12:15

Good morning —
I know this is a topic of legend, but I’m wondering how — oh, how — it gets so fraught when you try to help out at a child’s school. Feeling quite dejected by it all. Staff can be quite dismissive — downright rude — and seem to find dumping things onto a parent is acceptable. Simple questions you might ask a colleague like, “Can I leave it with you?” Or “how does that sound?” Or “Would that be okay?” are nowhere in the mix. Just a dump and run. By a professional — someone who teaches and does a bit of admin — who seems to think her time is worth more than mine, or really anyone else’s. Nothing very companionable about it, she really comes across as just entitled and bored of us all, like she’s got much more important things to do. Wrinkle is, she’s often just not got a clue. I spent 5 months chasing up a permit and a license and an auditor for our school lottery — going so far as to schedule a Zoom call with a lady who ran it for us as a parent volunteer 10 years ago — only to find that this woman, the professional in question, had received an email with all of the requisite info, methodically spelled out, two months before I even joined the PTA. As I was racking the brains of all involved, I got an abusive personal email from the woman (another mum) who was supposed to have been doing it the whole time. I forwarded this to our professional school contact. No response. I got the impression they were mates. Our contact afterward got very curt with me. Very matey with this other mum. But… I was doing all the work for all of us. Anyway. Turns out the mum who had the gig before I did had sent both of them a long, lovely, detailed email, with instructions, which both of them had just totally blanked. They both received it. I spent five months chasing up details and ticking boxes that really we could have sorted in a couple of days, had either of them merely read the email that was sent to them. It’s… that sort of thing. I took it all up with our head teacher who was equally dismissive and high-handed. Observed, of his own staff member, “this is the first time I’ve ever heard a complaint about M… and my view is that there is no case to answer here.” This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year) and her piffling responses, buck passing, making us chase her for information, bad-mouthing other parents who volunteered (not subtly, really mean digs, disparaging comments). I think this is why there are currently no PTA members at this school. None. I did point this out to both of them. That if you want help, from parents, you have to be respectful and not take them for granted, respect their time and their emotional investment. You’re not paying us. Neither ever replied. I’m just putting this out there. We hear a lot about schools struggling with low funding and entitled parents’ antics and kids’ bad behaviour. My son has never been in trouble, he behaves well, he does his work, he participates in all manner of sports. And I have done everything I could. Until I just quit in disgust and anger. I’m wondering if anyone else has had a similar experience? Very sorry for a massive post. But this was the situation — it felt like screaming in the wind. Why is this the way that some schools treat parents?

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rookiemere · 08/01/2025 16:55

Absolutely walk away if you don't want the aggravation.

But maybe a slight issue which I have noticed in your posts is that your communication style is a bit wordy. As a result I've only really skimmed your posts, but I find if I need someone to so something it helps to bullet the request in one sentence with a bolded date beside it. Just a thought.

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 16:54

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:40

Our faculty liaison.

Is this UK?

Ponderingwindow · 08/01/2025 16:52

How do I deal with the pta?

I make a large donation at the beginning of each year.

if they ask for volunteers and actually describe the task required and it is something I can accomplish, I volunteer. Most of the time the requests are incredibly vague and I don’t know if I can do them with my disability.
If they were more precise I would probably be able to volunteer more often.

otherwise I ignore them.

PuppyMonkey · 08/01/2025 16:48

I’m guessing that nobody read the multiple page report because they couldn’t be arsed were really, really busy.

KeepScrapingBy · 08/01/2025 16:46

I Haven’t read your full post but I’ve had a bad experience with a PTA as Secretary and this isn’t uncommon. PTAs contain many decent people but also some control freaks and bullies. If you’re face doesn’t fit you may have a hard time.
They say they are desperate for help with a school fair etc but when you turn up to help everything’s been done and your left standing around like a lemon.
I’ve turned up and taken minutes in the proper way at committee meetings 2 hours long then got hate mail for interfering or trying to “take over”.
Suggest you resign at the earliest opportunity. Sounds like you’ve tried your best.

queenofthewild · 08/01/2025 16:45

I work in a school. We are too small to have a PTA, but we do have a fundraising account, formerly held with Barclays. They are an absolute nightmare to deal with and despite filling out all the change of signatory forms several times they kept losing our paperwork and eventually closed our account.

Being on a PTA and school fundraising IS a thankless task. But it's hugely possible that these people you are badmouthing have done nothing wrong. Barclays are notorious for servicing fundraising accounts poorly.

School leadership have little to do with fundraising and PTA aside from approving projects for the money to be spent on and allowing access to school premises. The head really won't be interested in your grumbles about how things are run.

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:44

@GraspingforaClue it all sounds confusing.
Unfortunately not all PTAs work well.
Personally I would have arranged the money to go to the school and start completely a new PTA fresh with no fundraising until there was a proper team of volunteers sorted.
If no other parents joined I would have given up.
Although that's a bit late for that advice now.

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:41

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:27

Did you do a recruitment campaign?
I would have tried that before doing anything else.

yes, and people responded enthusiastically. Until they realised what a sh*tshow it was as our faculty liaison routinely scrambled logistics, then they dipped. Lots quiet quit. Some not so quiet.

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Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:40

@GraspingforaClue the thing is the PTA are volunteers not professionals so the person before you might not have had a clue how and what needed to be done.
You got the money back so that's good.
But did you attempt to recruit more members?

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:40

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:28

@GraspingforaClue sorry but who was treating you as a nuisance?

Our faculty liaison.

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GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:39

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:37

@GraspingforaClue you keep saying "we" but also say it was just one person (you).
Which was it?

We had an accountant. And she was doing the books. As a volunteer. But not any events.

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GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:37

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:33

@GraspingforaClue was the £40 000 returned?

Yeah, sorry, I hit post too early. We did get it back. By luck. I never met this lady. I asked my actual predecessor for help many many times. She was just flaky, glib, & never available. Took months to get basic financial stuff transferred. And all manner of other logistics. Really. I’m not inventing it.

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Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:37

@GraspingforaClue you keep saying "we" but also say it was just one person (you).
Which was it?

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:35

Gettingslimmer · 08/01/2025 12:30

God this is what gives pta’s a bad name, this petty infighting.

I’m not being petty. The bank that we used sent a cheque for £40,000 to a woman who had volunteered with us years before when they shut down our account b/c my predecessor hadn’t filled in basic KYC forms. We were just lucky we got the money back. I sent a report to the head teacher b/c a faculty member was bad-mouthing parents — amongst mislaying all manner of financial info.

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Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:33

@GraspingforaClue was the £40 000 returned?

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:31

Gettingslimmer · 08/01/2025 12:30

God this is what gives pta’s a bad name, this petty infighting.

Yeah. I’m not being petty. Nice name calling. I put some effort into explaining the issues. To wit: the bank account we used mailed a cheque for £40,000 to a woman who had been a volunteer several years beforehand when they closed our account summarily b/c my predecessor had never bothered to update our contact info with the bank, despite multiple requests. That kind of th

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Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:28

@GraspingforaClue sorry but who was treating you as a nuisance?

Needmorelego · 08/01/2025 16:27

Did you do a recruitment campaign?
I would have tried that before doing anything else.

GraspingforaClue · 08/01/2025 16:20

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:23

What was the point of this multi page report? Had anyone asked for it? How were you wanting to read it?

Why didn’t to reach out to the previous chair of ptfa for a handover? Where are the rest of the PTFA? Did you ask for other parents to join, I’m sure it can’t be done by one person.

This was the issue — it can’t be done with one person. Trouble is, when I showed up for the introductory PTA meeting (having been shown a video of a large group of parents raving about their collective joy volunteering at the new parents’ night for year 7) I was the only one there. There were two other mums who had been running it who immediately announced that they were leaving. With immediate effect. I was told there was one other parent — a dad — who was not present, whom they all started bad-mouthing. Turns out he was absolutely lovely, always came through when needed, good attitude. I had a queasy feeling it was set to be a car crash but persevered because I thought their time & work was more limited (& important) than mine. But they were both disorganised & very unpleasant. Hence the multi page report to the head teacher. After which I resigned. Because I wanted so much to help, but you cannot help people who aren’t willing to accept help. They treat you as a nuisance. When you are cleaning up their mess. The PTA bank account was closed unilaterally by Barclays because my predecessor didn’t fill out basic KYC forms. We spent months getting it re-opened because we desperately wanted to do something for the kids. It’s that kind of thing. I’m not a drama llama. I’m not petty. I’m not power tripping. I put the hours in for the kids. Some of these replies are amazingly glib. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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SometimesCalmPerson · 08/01/2025 15:54

The person you’re talking about does sound very unprofessional, but I’m not sure why you’d expect teachers to care about the PTA as much as parents do. It’s not for their benefit. They shouldn’t have extra work put on them depending on the current state of the PTA.

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 15:46

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:36

Ah thank you.

OP I don’t think the PTFA is for you. Time to mentally move on.

I can't imagine the amount of serving tea at school events or cleaning up afterwards you could ahve done instead of writing such a daft report.
Having said that I would have loved it if someone had done that when I was PTA Chair, myself and my Co Chair would have had a right laugh reading that in the pub after our meetings

Hoppinggreen · 08/01/2025 15:44

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:10

You don't sound like you're over it?

Maybe the school didn't need or want the services you were offering?

Maybe they have people already maintaining their websites etc and have contracts with them.

Exactly
Some offers made to us when I was PTA Chair were very kind but would have caused us more work and weren't really what we needed.
DH is in IT to that level and beyond and he happily ran a little code club that he was asked to do. It was about what school wanted not him.

Nanny0gg · 08/01/2025 13:54

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:36

It's three seperate schools and one childrens centre. I was encouraged to offer IT services in my community by my company. One website didn't render on a phone or tablet. I offered to do it free but the school paid someone to do it. It makes no difference to me, why would it? I hardly need to add it to my portfolio on LI. I'm just saying if I told them my daily rate was £1000. But I would do it for £100 they would have excepted I suspect but because I was offering my time for free it had no value. If I had said they could a new IT kit worth 2k for £100 they would have accepted it. But if its free people don't want it. I sent all the paperwork with company scheme. Out of 20 grants, only 9 schools took them up. So it wasn't just me. Free was seen as a bad or worthless thing even when brand new and expensive to donate. The money just stayed in company profits in the end.

I'm a bit pissed about generally volunteering still a bit yes. There's lots of help they ask for where my child would never see me like filling popcorn bags after school or gardening at the weekend but everything I signed up was met with the senco taking me aside. Saying my child might see me ( even when she would be at home like evening / weekends)

I have been and still am a school governor for over 5 years at another dc school so I'm safe around those kids with my clean dbs and have something of value to contribute. Different senco 😄

The problem with the donating of IT kit that if it's donated it won't necessarily have the right software and there isn't the expertise to use and maintain it when the company has moved on

Injectionstoslim · 08/01/2025 13:36

EmotionalSupportBiscuit · 08/01/2025 13:30

I think she wrote a multi page complaint to the Head about another PTA member and how they hadn’t been grateful enough for her 230 hours of effort:

This was in response to a multi-page report I had drafted with great care of what labours I had performed (230 unpaid hours over the course of one academic year) and her piffling responses, buck passing, making us chase her for information, bad-mouthing other parents who volunteered (not subtly, really mean digs, disparaging comments)

Ah thank you.

OP I don’t think the PTFA is for you. Time to mentally move on.

IncessantNameChanger · 08/01/2025 13:36

BodyKeepingScore · 08/01/2025 13:10

You don't sound like you're over it?

Maybe the school didn't need or want the services you were offering?

Maybe they have people already maintaining their websites etc and have contracts with them.

It's three seperate schools and one childrens centre. I was encouraged to offer IT services in my community by my company. One website didn't render on a phone or tablet. I offered to do it free but the school paid someone to do it. It makes no difference to me, why would it? I hardly need to add it to my portfolio on LI. I'm just saying if I told them my daily rate was £1000. But I would do it for £100 they would have excepted I suspect but because I was offering my time for free it had no value. If I had said they could a new IT kit worth 2k for £100 they would have accepted it. But if its free people don't want it. I sent all the paperwork with company scheme. Out of 20 grants, only 9 schools took them up. So it wasn't just me. Free was seen as a bad or worthless thing even when brand new and expensive to donate. The money just stayed in company profits in the end.

I'm a bit pissed about generally volunteering still a bit yes. There's lots of help they ask for where my child would never see me like filling popcorn bags after school or gardening at the weekend but everything I signed up was met with the senco taking me aside. Saying my child might see me ( even when she would be at home like evening / weekends)

I have been and still am a school governor for over 5 years at another dc school so I'm safe around those kids with my clean dbs and have something of value to contribute. Different senco 😄

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