To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

@NotTerfNorCis

"The people who tried to conceal abuse in places like Rotherham, thinking they were avoiding community tensions, made a very serious mistake. They acted with best intentions"

Actually it wasn't with the best intentions former Labour MP Simon Danczuk has claimed he was warned by senior party figures not to mention the ethnicity or religion of grooming gang perpetrators due to concerns over electoral impact.

What a weird thing to say. Are you stalking me across the internet?😱

Well you should have known, it was extremely well publicised over at least the last 30 years & has been front page news across all newspapers, the Mail, over the years has been especially vocal.

As for blaming posters from another thread, what on earth are you on about?

We don't all have to agree on further inquires you know, Jay doesn't want another, just wants the recommendations implemented, is she from the "other thread" or did you just make this up?

Musk isn't wrong because he highlighted the issue, he utterly wrong because he has gone on to call for the jailing of ministers, called Starmer, Jess Phillips rape apologists and far more & not least allowing tweets that support the murder of MPs to stand on X.

I note zero criticism of Musk over this.

The people who tried to conceal abuse in places like Rotherham, thinking they were avoiding community tensions, made a very serious mistake. They acted with best intentions. Unfortunately they're the kind of people who are not likely to doubt themselves or feel any shame. That's a pity, but it can't be helped. The important thing is that we don't end up in this situation again. The law should apply to everyone equally.

Everyone I've heard comment so far in papers, twitter, radio etc have all said essentially it's a good thing that he's dragged this issue back into the light... I certainly didn't realise it was still rumbling on, I didn't realise 20 recommendations were not carried out.
I didn't realise 400 arrests were made under sunaks government and I didn't realise that other countries like Australia view us as having a problem with victim rights v perpetrators eg a man who worked in that area said no way would someone be there 10 years later for his human rights.

All of this and so much more I've learned thanks to Elon musk.

Every important person I've heard speak agree.

However they are also intellectual and understand that no subject is black and white and that simultaneously whilst doing a great service it's also impacted on jess Philips etc.

I think the threads have been so informative and there have been so many articles and links shared.
What has absolutely ruined the "conversation" is a narrow minded clique apparently organising themselves from another thread to educate us all that musk doesn't care about the girls he's a bad man boo hiss.

It's such a shame this patronising and leadon presence has squashed the vibrancy and general high level proper debate.

Implement the reports findings. Perhaps if they deported the ones with dual passports when they are released it would be a deterrent but it is still going on and no one seems able to stop it - maybe Musk is the one who can.

Musk is an idiot and not an elected representative of the US so should be ignored.

The real scandal was the failure to safeguard girls at the time, which reflected attitudes that as teens they were not really children, they were responsible for what happened , were not “nice girls” etc. Its a story of mysogyny, not racism. Safeguarding has been revolutionised since then IME and everyone working with teens is made aware of sexual exploitation and knows that young people need to be protected. If we can strengthen prosecution then that should happen too, but the way to stop this is safeguarding. People knew what was happening and did nothing .

Who has called Trump a tyrant on MN? he operates within the parameters of the US constitution.
Can't call someone out for something only you have imagined.

He may prove pretty dangerous to the UK and Europe with his views on the EU, Ukraine, NATO and tariffs.

Are you expecting her to police the whole internet and call out everyone?

You called Starmer a treasonous petty tyrant. I can't see anything that he's done that can even be close to treason or tyranny.

Your description of him is so ridiculously hyperbolic that it's easy to dismiss as someone with a political axe to grind. Someone who supports a political party like a child supports their favourite youtuber

Trump was democratically elected twice. Plenty of kvetching over that, people call him a tyrant and would be very grateful for foreign intervention. Don't see you telling them they're "liars".

Where is this happening? There are more posters criticising them than not.

Why is everyone suddenly talking about Keir Starmer and his administration as if they're some kind of absolute monarchy who can't be criticised?

You're not a powerful figure in the world's most powerful country, though. Some people's opinions matter more than others.

Trump has given a speech this afternoon in which he laid claim to Greenland, the Panama Canal and even Canada. When someone in his position says things like that, it's not joking or 'shitposting'. It will have real life ramifications. He's making himself, and America, look either very foolish or very dangerous.

Brown said she wasn’t because it would have made a nonsense of his apology if he hadn’t. In my opinion she was a bigot and he got it right first time.

So here's the link to the Gillian Duffy and Gordon Brown meeting. Now she raised a number of issues of which immigration was just one.

After the interview Gordon Brown labelled her a "bigot " for raising the concern on immigration.

Gordon Brown after the recording went public admitted he was wrong to call her a bigot and fair play to him he went and personally apologised to Mrs Duffy(you wouldn't get my politicians making personal apologies these days).

Now Gordon Brown admitted he was wrong to call her a bigot but you still think she is.

Sadly this reflects the position of many on the left that to even mention the topic of immigration now results in being accused of being a bigot or a racist.

You can believe it. It may be your opinion.

But it is a lie.

The UK has a democratically elected government behaving in a lawful way. They're not tyrannical because you, me and others didn't vote for them. Do you know what Tyranny means?

That “poor lady” was a bigot. I can’t comment on the rest of that post because it doesn’t make sense.

It seems to have been a whole culture at that time.

We know Brown called that poor lady a bigot there have been extensive behind the scenes chats between Blair and Brown over the worker right mistake, eu, suppressing stuff so all of that coupled with a general society low level of understanding about these vulnerable children, mysogny in spades a lack of will, fear of being called racist, our leaders in the culture of suppression you can see how they didn't stand a chance

I thought Brown telling everyone to suppress it was just as much of an issue. Don't you?

Surely that's a matter of perspective though? You might disagree with that opinion. But plenty of people agree. It's very revealing that most people in a lather about Musk aren't able to tell the difference between fact and opinion.

I believe Starmer is a treasonous petty tyrant. I sincerely believe that. You might disagree but the the fact I think that doesn't make it a lie or misinformation anymore than I can declare it an objective fact that fusilli tastes better than rigatoni.

Yes I agree - I was referring to the OP.

Not only the police - but the police in particular. They were the ones on the scene dealing with incidents. Their decision to view girls’ behaviour as troublesome rather than evidence of abuse is surely the main issue.

Where someone was born isn't a particularly relevant factor. People can be "foreign born" by accident, even, and being born in a place doesn't mean that person has that nationality. Most countries don't grant citizenship on the basis of place of birth (since 1983, you aren't necessarily British just because you are born in the UK, for example).
Generally speaking, a person who is not a British citizen will be made the subject of a deportation order for rape. If a non-UK citizen gets a prison sentence of 12 months or more, a deportation order will be made unless one of the exceptions applies (and the bar is quite high). If 4 years or more, a deportation order will be made unless there are exceptional compelling and compassionate circumstances why it should not be made.
However, you can have a person who is now a British Citizen, and therefore cannot be deported, but wasn't born in the UK and didn't come here until an adult.
A few of these child rapists have been deprived of their British Citizenship and then made the subject of a deportation order, but deprivation of British Citizenship is rare, difficult and complicated. There are only about 1,000 cases of deprivation a year, from memory, and 80% of those are for acquiring citizenship by fraud, not for bad behaviour ("presence in the UK is not conducive to the public good" is the test).

Musk is very fond of China. He's also OK with restricting X use in specific countries when asked to by their leaders.

He doesn't give a shit about abused children or free speech.