To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

@Annabella92 so we sacrifice our children?

Our governments job is to look after us, no one else us.

That is literally their job.

It puts women and girls of their origin country at risk.

@User37482@User37482 yes lots more information has come out but it's interesting to review it all with the new times we are in.
It has sadly been going on since the 70s but only properly came to light in 2008 ish. From 2008 to now we have moved on so much for the good but we are still being held back.

The judge who gave a perp a longer sentence for attacking a Pakistani girl, because she would have suffered more and her parents would not be able to marry her off highlight so many problems with our collective thinking and priorities.

Stop giving a fuck about offenders. I’ve always thought personal civil rights are paramount, a society that protects a disliked minority was always righteous to my mind. Increasingly though people are weaponising their minority status to get away with the most horrendous shit. We need to centre victims. I think I hadn’t truly comprehended how sociopathic some people are and the only way to deal with them is to just lock them up for a very long time and minimise their contact with the rest of society.

I remember a sex offender we couldn’t deport to Afghanistan because the taliban may do something to him. I just thought “well who cares really” either he is free soon and carried on assaulting women and girls in the Uk or he can go to Afghanistan and whatever happens there is his own fault. I manage to go everyday without sexually assaulting anyone. It is not difficult. He put himself in this position and I don’t feel like it’s our job to protect criminals from the consequences of their own actions.

Exactly, I read every single think Andrew Norfolk wrote about this and I didn’t know any of this stuff. There were references to some things but a lot of the other stuff is new to me. This isn’t a scandal it’s a massive crime committed against thousands of children across decades and is still ongoing. I am a paid subscriber to something like 4 newspapers and 3 current affairs magazines. If I didn’t know I am not surprised others didn’t know about the depth of depravity.

I thought that was Lammy and Mahmood, who represented their constituents, one of who had a career in the UK armed forces. The vast majority of the offences were relatively minor drug offences.

There was another interesting commentator on lbc this evening Andew marr I think.
He was criticising musk but said, isn't it sad that we have such poor politicians that we have had to rely on someone like musk lobbing grenades into UK politics to get traction on this issue.

You are splitting hairs - son of immigrants committing a terrorist act - Jesus!

And his history with Epstein and Maxwell.

@JRSKSSBH I was listening to someone talk about the UK s struggle with victim and perpetrator rights. This person works now in some foundation I forget the name of.
He said in Australia they don't think twice about deporting violent criminals they put the safety, the safety of their citizens over the human rights of people who put that safety at risk.

Why do we struggle with this? How can we address it?

Exactly

He also spreads lies and misinformation @Annabella92. Like retweeting the lie that an immigrant was responsible for the dreadful murders in Southport.

He's a drug addled liar and bullshitter who spouts off about things he knows (next to) nothing about to cause trouble for people he doesn't like.

Musk is no moral crusader. He is no Truth Teller. He's not even an upholder of free speech. And he doesnt give a shit about victims of rape for profit gangs.

@User37482 quite.

At the time I followed it all closely but new information has come to light and information sharing like these past few days is far superior to how it was shared 10 years ago.

We have had a deep dive gathering of information on these threads, u tube videos, reports, clips. It's been illuminating to see new information and to look at the crimes with fresh eyes.

The debates on here ( where they can be had without the drone) the debates on the radio, TV are vital! Absolutely vital to really get some meaningful action!

I agree. I'm glad that Norwegian, German and French leaders are speaking out against him too. He's trying to destabilise European countries and we need to not let him do that.

I mean we have a man as PM who campaigned in 2020 against the deportation of foreign criminals to Jamaica who went on to commit violent crimes, so he definitely thinks drug dealers, rapists, murderers and wife beaters deserve to stay.

I have multiple post-graduate qualifications but I am incapable of thinking of a single valid reason to vote against the deportation of foreign rapists, other than reasons that put the welfare and human rights of violent criminals above the welfare and safety of British women, children and girls.

He’s an attention seeking bully who’s just bought a rapist the American presidency and thinks he can now tell other countries who their government should be. Starmer’s doing the right thing by focusing on the issues and not him. The irony of him calling the U.K. government out over rape gangs when has allegedly paid out $thousands to his female employees who he has forced NDA’s on due to his alleged sexual harassment of them. And of course cosying up to the Rapist in Chief.
I think he should be ignored and not given the oxygen of the power and influence that he seeks.

Exactly this. As has been said, in one way or another, repeatedly on here over the last few days.

But it unfortunately appears that some are utterly determined to disbelieve that anyone could have been in this position other than by avoiding reading any serious news and therefore they must be either thick or posting in bad faith.

I wonder quite why it’s so important to cling to that view so doggedly in the face of all evidence to the contrary.

He said that Jess Phillips was a rape genocide apologist. That's another lie. I've looked and can't find her apologising for rape or genocide.

It’s not that Musk suddenly noticed, information about exactly what happened to some of the girls has been released recently. It’s horrifying.

I read about a 16 year old with the mental age of a 4yr old who was locked in a flat regularly and repeatedly raped. her foster carer said she came home “with semen dripping from every orifice” and had to be bathed and have woulds tended to. The police didn’t do anything because she was apparently of the age of consent. The mohammed Karrar’s crime has already been shared and it was just torture,

A lot of people hadn’t heard the actual details before. Grooming gang makes people think a child if being given presents and then having “consenting” sex with a boyfriend. They didn’t think girls were being raped with broken bottles, bats etc or that men were literally forming queues or literally gang raping.

Also the numbers came in a slow drip, 1400, rotherham, 1000 telford, Sunaks taskforce found 4000. We actually have no idea how many victims are out there.

People are not angry enough imo.

@BIossomtoes

"There was news coverage in late 2012, that was when I first heard about it."

You are correct- 2012 was when it first came to light and then only because Maggie Oliver from Manchester Met Police resigned after whistleblowing about the lack of police action.

There was news coverage in late 2012, that was when I first heard about it.

@Alexandra2001

"Well you should have known, it was extremely well publicised over at least the last 30 years & has been front page news across all newspapers, the Mail, over the years has been especially vocal."

Not sure where you got 30 years of publicity from, despite the abuse happening throughout the 2000s and early 2010s,the first case didn't come to court until 2014 and they only came to light at all after Maggie Oliver the police inspector resigned over the lack of action being taken

Did you not know what was going on your own country? Why not? Too comfortable or too complacent?

Because it's not like the grooming gangs haven't been widely discussed for years. In Parliament, in councils, in the press and on Mumsnet.🤷‍♀️

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