To think that Musk is now overstepping himself and the UK gvt should threaten action

@LondonLawyer ignore my question. I've just read one of your other posts and found the answer.

What about those perps who were advised by their lawyers to renounce their Pakistani citizenship? Rendering them stateless? Was this done to avoid deportation?

@LondonLawyer can someone with dual citizenship be deported?

Sure, but what is his motivation for doing so? It isn't likely that he has justice at heart. It's self-interest. He's playing around in British politics just like a digital puppeteer - it's working brilliantly, too.

I've just looked up some articles about this, and @EmmaMaria 's post was also, frankly, pretty misleading. The statement, "The other 28 were guilty of minor offences such as possession or in at least one case a driving offence." is not correct. Our of the 29, one appears to have been convicted of murder, but the other 28 or so can't reasonably be described as "minor offences". The BBC says, "The individuals on the flight - who numbered more than 30 - included 14 people convicted of drugs offences, six people convicted of a violent crime and one person convicted of dangerous driving." 14 people convicted of drugs offences doesn't mean 14 people convicted of simple possession, "drugs offences" covers quite a range up to and including massive dealing. Dangerous driving isn't what most people would ever think was just a "driving offence".

The Independent said, "Vance Brown, the father of Chevon Brown, 23, who was placed on the flight after serving a seven-month sentence for a driving offence – the only crime he has been convicted of – said he felt “sick to his stomach” by the home secretary’s claims." https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/sajid-javid-jamaica-deportation-crimes-home-office-hostile-environment-immigration-a8767986.html

If you search for that name, however, he didn't serve a 7 month sentence, he spent 7 (elsewhere it says 8) months in prison out of a 14 month sentence (taking it over the 12 months I mentioned above, which is a crucial test). Turns out that Chevon Brown was arrested after a high-speed car chase through Oxford (115mph!) and had no licence or insurance. "The 21-year-old led a police chase for about five minutes, drove on the wrong side of the road, through red lights and across front gardens outside a block of flats"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-48237126

Whether or not you think those particular deportations were right or wrong, it is no more correct to say 28 of them were for "minor offences" than it is to say they were all rapists, murderers, etc

That is relatively unlikely. A driving offence or simple drugs possession doesn't lead to a deportation order being made, unless by "driving offence" someone means "causing death by dangerous driving" or similar. You don't get a custodial sentence to trigger the deportation provisions for long enough for simple possession or a standard driving offences, and people who've lived in the UK since childhood might well fall within one of the exceptions to deportation even if they do get sentences over 12 months.

Musk has brought back into the spotlight the fact that so far none of the recommendations of the 2022 Jay inquiry have been implemented.

Those who wish that Musk should stop posting about the child abuse scandal are of a scarily similar mindset to those that wanted to brush the matter under the carpet at the time.

He terrifies you - bloody hell you've obviously never lived in the north!

No he hasn’t, that was in the King’s speech last year.

100% agree.

Well he has at least triggered action on the recommendations of the Jay enquiry when for the last 2.5 years nothing has been done by either the Conservatives or Labour.

He’s exposed nothing. There have been seven if not eight investigations and the previous government never even discussed the Jay report in cabinet.

Bonkers. Cognitive dissonance. He's exposed the mass rape and torture of thousands of girls, many of them children. How can anyone read the descriptions of what happened to these poor girls (their treatment by the authorities is almost as shocking as the rapes and torture) and come to the conclusion that Musk is the terrifying one. The brutality and dehumanisation was hidden under the anodyne use of the word "grooming" and without Musk few people would be exposed to the details - inhumane and barbaric abuse these girls endured. I'm pleased there is a Musk (however flawed) to expose such awful details.

I can think of many.

1. They do not /no longer posess foreign nationality.
2. They are only “technically” foreign (e.g arrived in the UK at months old ) and lived their entire life here
3. They have underaged dependents who are British nationals who will not be removed from them full time
4. The nature of the crime (e.g an 18 year old having “consensual” sex with a 15 year old has committed a crime but potentially not meeting the threshold for it to be considered a deportable offence.

Simply off the top of my head but I would need to read the details of the case before making a decision.

And being a post graduate in and of itself does not make an individual intelligent of capable of complex thought. I have known many a grad with a highly skilled profession that still is thick as mince.

Thanks Clav. I particularly like this bit of the article

”The idea that a letter from MPs questioning process led to dangerous criminals going on to commit crime is as weak as this government’s running of the Home Office.”

Brown thought she was swearing - misheard 'flocking' as ' fucking' apparently? Or so I've read. Certainly seemed very angry.

You can't deport British citizens. A British citizen with another nationality can't be deported. One of the fundamentals of British citizenship is that you have the "right of abode" - which means you can't be chucked out.

He wants to buy Liverpool Football Club according to his dad. Ah well. I'll have to revert to my no 2 club Southend United. I know it's a bit of a drop but needs must when the devil drives.

Omg, progressive Muslim Dr taj Haregy.

The left have strange bed fellows, they have an unholy alliance with ultra conservative extremist Muslims.

Keir Starmer ‘opposed’ expulsion of rapist Fabian Henry;

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/law/article/keir-starmer-opposed-expulsion-of-rapist-fabian-henry-7ccts05zk

I see it as craven self interest tbh.

I was playing devil's advocate actually. I fully agree which is why I called two tier Kier treasonous upthread.

Generally it’s because it puts the perpetrators at risk. I remember a sentencing by a judge in Pakistan of a serial child rapist and murder. He was to be cut up and dissolved in acid like his victims were. Unfortunately he died in prison (or committed suicide, can’t remember which) before this could happen.

Yes, I keep hearing this "best intentions" and "noble motives", this only applies if you see these girls as acceptable sacrifices.

I don't support any political party. Don't even vote, who on earth is there to vote for?

Not too sure about the "best intentions", but otherwise I agree completely

Except there's a problem in that many of those possessed of these attitudes are the very ones running our institutions now, be that government, the police, the judiciary or whatever

Many of the wider public may well have moved on, but those ossified in their extreme liberalism haven't, and it's precisely because they feel neither guilt nor shame that they won't be easy to dislodge