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To think that if people really wanted Social Care change they would have voted Lib Dem?

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 11:20

Just a bit confused as to why the Tories in particular are ringing hands on this when they dismantled any systems there were and why suddenly the public seem to recognise it as an issue? There was a party who outlined the issues and many solutions that people seem to have completely ignored. It feels as though Libs (a the only party who put forward solutions in their manifesto) will now be relied upon by Labour to fix it with no credit. If people really thought it was a priority why did they vote for a party that didn't even mention this (and SEND) in their manifesto? AIBU in feeling that the public is now moving the goalposts on what it wants and didn't vote accordingly?

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Upstartled · 06/01/2025 12:43

KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:41

And that is insignificant? You think the Tories wouldn't have been worse without them there, as they were after?

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No. It was incredibly disappointing. And that was before they went batshit crazy with self id.

SockFluffInTheBath · 06/01/2025 12:42

People say they want social care improvement, but they always want someone else to pay for it with no impact to themselves.

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:41

Upstartled · 06/01/2025 12:40

😁 They led on scrapping uni fees and caved with a fortnight. All the ended up with after four years was school lunches for infants.

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And that is insignificant? You think the Tories wouldn't have been worse without them there, as they were after?

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Annabella92 · 06/01/2025 12:41

I would never vote for the libdems who think men get pregnant and grown men should be aloud to get undressed in front of young girls. 🤮 nothing they ever say will make me vote for them because if they say that it proves they don't have a Shred of integrity.

Upstartled · 06/01/2025 12:40

KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:39

So everyone you voted for since has kept their word and made everything better, even when they aren't the majority? Seems a strange thing to keep going back to when the other parties are allowed to move on...

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😁 They led on scrapping uni fees and caved with a fortnight. All the ended up with after four years was school lunches for infants.

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:40

justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 12:38

Do people really vote on one issue only? Not balance all the issues and decide who would be best, in their opinion, over all??

Well, if you don't keep hitting the people you voted in over the head with things they never said they would do anything about, sure!

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:39

Upstartled · 06/01/2025 12:36

Yeah, like when I voted for them to scrap uni fees?

So everyone you voted for since has kept their word and made everything better, even when they aren't the majority? Seems a strange thing to keep going back to when the other parties are allowed to move on...

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justteanbiscuits · 06/01/2025 12:38

Do people really vote on one issue only? Not balance all the issues and decide who would be best, in their opinion, over all??

Whoarethoseguys · 06/01/2025 12:36

The big problem. Is people do want it. But they don't want to pay for it.

Upstartled · 06/01/2025 12:36

Yeah, like when I voted for them to scrap uni fees?

Cyclebabble · 06/01/2025 12:35

People take a decision in the round on their vote rather than one issue. I do think that we need a solution on social care, but I also needed to consider who would run the economy best and who would deliver the best overall public service. This time I voted Labour.

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 12:29

pinkdelight · 06/01/2025 12:26

Agree with @SpanThatWorld that a single issue, especially a 'soft' one like social care, is very rarely going to be the main motivator for someone's vote.

Besides, the only time the Lib Dems had real influence they joined up with the Tories and so let Brexit happen so there's a whole load of voters on the left that will never get in bed with them again even to be strategic.

I suppose my point is why is social care seen as a "soft" issue - we all need it at some point.

*Lib dems were very clearly against Brexit

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Doggymummar · 06/01/2025 12:26

I voted lib dem, but it made no difference

pinkdelight · 06/01/2025 12:26

Agree with @SpanThatWorld that a single issue, especially a 'soft' one like social care, is very rarely going to be the main motivator for someone's vote.

Besides, the only time the Lib Dems had real influence they joined up with the Tories and so let Brexit happen so there's a whole load of voters on the left that will never get in bed with them again even to be strategic.

Birdscratch · 06/01/2025 12:24

Do People trust the Lib Dems?

Whatever they said in their manifesto, if the election had resulted in them being offered the chance of a coalition, they’d have flung their policies out the window for a seat on the front bench. Again.

SpanThatWorld · 06/01/2025 12:19

Very few people vote on a single issue.

This who do are very rarely voting in social care.

The UK's first past the post system means that a LibDem vote is very often wasted. My constituency was a Tory with a tiny majority and Labour close behind. Some people will have voted on the basis of keeping that particular Tory in or out. The LibDems were down in 4th place.

Labour will not be "relying upon" the LibDems to fix anything. That's just not how the UK system of government works.

I think we need a cross-party approach as social care is a major issue for the UK whoever is in power. Unfortunately, it's not glamorous and there are no easy answers.

username299 · 06/01/2025 11:58

IMO voting Lib dem is a vote if you're voting tactically. They're never going to be in power so they can say what they like, like Reform.

I wasn't impressed when they shared power with the Tories. People have a tendency to care about issues the right wing press does.

Cutting benefits is bloody marvelous because people on benefits are scroungers, unless it's pensioners. That's an imposition!

What people want is great public services they don't have to pay for through taxes.

RhannionKPSS · 06/01/2025 11:57

The Lib Dem party think men can be women , their leader in Scotland said “ we did it for you Beth” ( “ Beth “ being a trans identifying bloke who threatened GC women). when making a speech about the GRC reform bill and the party took money from a company which makes puberty blockers , so for those reasons alone I would never vote for the Lib Dems

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KitKatChunki · 06/01/2025 11:51

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2025 11:23

I couldn’t vote LibDem because I believe that wealthy people should pay for their care. We cover our costs for the rest of our lives, why should we not if we can just because we’re old?

Free social care is just not realistic.

It isn't just about free social care though, is it? It's about paying a fair wage to carers and family members who have to take on care roles and actually recognising it as a job that is needed and important.

Ditto with the SEND issues - the Libs were the only party who even mentioned it! Whenever I mentioned it during the election everyone said it wasn't a big issue/not a vote winner etc, yet now private school VAT is happening and it is constantly coming up on threads because State provisions are so poor.

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MrsSkylerWhite · 06/01/2025 11:23

I couldn’t vote LibDem because I believe that wealthy people should pay for their care. We cover our costs for the rest of our lives, why should we not if we can just because we’re old?

Free social care is just not realistic.