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AIBU to change ny phone password?

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 05/01/2025 23:23

I vented to my sister about something my husband and his family did/said that frustrated me. My husband looked through my phone, saw me vent my frustrations to her, and then asked if I thought he and his family were a joke to me. I said no, because they're not, but I was frustrated with them (his family said untrue things about me to my husband, and my husband acts like he doesn't know who to believe because they're both telling him the same lie).

I was frustrated about being lied on, and then even more frustrated that despite him "letting it go", he wasn't understanding that i was upset that they thought it was okay to lie on me. So I vented to my sister about my frustrations.

He read my vent, got upset at me for venting to my sister the way I did (I did not verbally disrespect him or his family at all, just stated the facts of the situation and how I felt), and afterwards, I changed my password because I felt if he's going to get upset about me venting my frustrations to a trusted individual and family member, but doesn't want me to vent them to a friend or even my therapist, but also doesn't actually listen/understand when I try to broach the topic with him, I can't just hold it in.

AITA for changing my phone password to keep my husband from getting upset about me venting to my sister?

I might be TA because I didn't tell him I was going to change my password, and granted, it does look sketchy as one's partner, but I just couldn't keep being gaslit into thinking my perspective/frustration is wrongly placed, and having an outsider perspective helps some

He doesn't want me talking to anytrusted friend about any relationship issues we have, he doesn't want me talking to my therapist about our issues because he's not there to "defend himself", but now he's telling me I can't even discuss issues with my sister. And the issues that resurface time and time again leave my mind during couple's therapy, but they need to be discussed so at least I can move past things. I just wanted to be able to vent my frustrations to someone with a listening ear who actually understands why I'm truly frustrated in the first place, without making me sound like I'm crazy.

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 15:12

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 11/01/2025 14:08

@ConfusedAdult2001 why the hell do you need a notebook for them and you to write things down in?? or have I missed something here??? you really need to get a grip and consider kicking this "D" p into touch. therapy is not ever going to help him, especially when it comes to enmeshment with his family!! he is supposed to be all on your side, not his mothers and his sisters! stay away from them!

So, i was already writing in a notebook when they were talking to me about everything, I just took the same notebook and wrote down exactly what I was told, kind of like a side note, so that if they say they never said it, I wrote it down word for word so I could let them know exactly what they told me and when. Particularly because everyone always wants to say they never said something, or that's not what they meant.

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godmum56 · 11/01/2025 15:02

This is another "yes but" thread.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 11/01/2025 14:08

@ConfusedAdult2001 why the hell do you need a notebook for them and you to write things down in?? or have I missed something here??? you really need to get a grip and consider kicking this "D" p into touch. therapy is not ever going to help him, especially when it comes to enmeshment with his family!! he is supposed to be all on your side, not his mothers and his sisters! stay away from them!

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 12:58

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 11/01/2025 12:23

When you explain how hard it is to pick up his food requirements with the children in tow, and 'he still doesn't get it and tries to tell me how to do it "successfully", despite never having done it himself'. Why don't you say, well if it's that easy, you can the children with you next time, and get it yourself, and make sure that he does.

You need to either MAKE this man listen and take onboard what you tell him, or give serious thought to ending this abusive relationship OP. Oh, and just because it appears that he's started to take action after the joint counselling, it doesn't mean that it will last, so ask yourself in a month's time, whether things have actually improved, or whether they've started to slip. Then ask yourself again in 3 months, and 6 months. Put these dates in your diary as a reminder. If it's worked then that's WONDERFUL, but I will be very surprised, but happy for you, if he manages to maintain it long term.

With regard to his family lying to him about you, have you ever actually challenged THEM about it? If not, why not?

I haven't directly told him the way you suggest, only because I know he won't, especially since it requires him to go over an hour away from where we live.

I did something like that in a similar situation, where i just gave him one of the kids so I could go do something because I "can deal with them on my own, but now I'm choosing not to". I reiterated something he said to me the night prior when I asked him to make the toddler sleep while I showered, but then he brought me the baby. In that situation, however, he basically through a fit because he was in the middle of a game (despite me placing a clean, changed, calm, fed baby in her bassinet), and he "needed" some time before he could watch either of them. That was the first time he told me I was "acting like a b*" and told me "no, f** you". (Again, I have NEVER swore or name called him in the history of our relationship together, or even knowing each other.)

I have challenged them on it in FRONT of DH, and his excuse to this day is, "it was probably sarcasm". When his mom/sister use sarcasm, I very literally can not tell because their tone of voice is so flat it sounds like they're stating a fact. They told me it's considered babysitting if the kids want to spend time with them for a little bit, they agree, and I walk off to tend to something I would've been doing with the kids anyway (say, getting pajamas for the kids). I asked SIL if they were serious, she said "yeah", I asked her to elaborate, she did, and then I wrote it down in my notebook, and then began keeping the kids with me outside of my working hours. His mom then told DH I was keeping the kids away from her, to which I recanted the conversation from the night prior. SIL told everyone they were just "joking". Despite the fact that i asked if they were serious and she told me "yeah" and then elaborated. I explained this, and both SIL and MIL convinced DH they were just joking, which he still believes to this day.

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MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 11/01/2025 12:23

When you explain how hard it is to pick up his food requirements with the children in tow, and 'he still doesn't get it and tries to tell me how to do it "successfully", despite never having done it himself'. Why don't you say, well if it's that easy, you can the children with you next time, and get it yourself, and make sure that he does.

You need to either MAKE this man listen and take onboard what you tell him, or give serious thought to ending this abusive relationship OP. Oh, and just because it appears that he's started to take action after the joint counselling, it doesn't mean that it will last, so ask yourself in a month's time, whether things have actually improved, or whether they've started to slip. Then ask yourself again in 3 months, and 6 months. Put these dates in your diary as a reminder. If it's worked then that's WONDERFUL, but I will be very surprised, but happy for you, if he manages to maintain it long term.

With regard to his family lying to him about you, have you ever actually challenged THEM about it? If not, why not?

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:55

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:54

Thank you, but I don't really mind being the default parent, I actually love it - it shows how secure and comfortable my kids feel with me.

I just dislike how ignorant and unaware it makes my DH, and how dependent it makes him on me.

He'll ask me if I can pick up his favorite food when I'm in the area of his favorite food spot when I have both kids. Here's the thing, he's never had to do it, so he doesn't know how hard it is to do so when I'm pushing a stroller, holding a toddler's hand, AND trying to hold his entire food/drink order. After that, I just started saying no because I couldn't do it anymore.

And even with me explaining how hard it is, he still doesn't get it and tries to tell me how to do it "successfully", despite never having done it himself.

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:54

TinyFlamingo · 11/01/2025 11:18

I'm sorry your the default parent. It's really tough. Keep trying to carve out time for you.

Thank you, but I don't really mind being the default parent, I actually love it - it shows how secure and comfortable my kids feel with me.

I just dislike how ignorant and unaware it makes my DH, and how dependent it makes him on me.

He'll ask me if I can pick up his favorite food when I'm in the area of his favorite food spot when I have both kids. Here's the thing, he's never had to do it, so he doesn't know how hard it is to do so when I'm pushing a stroller, holding a toddler's hand, AND trying to hold his entire food/drink order. After that, I just started saying no because I couldn't do it anymore.

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:48

Bumblebeestiltskin · 11/01/2025 11:38

Do you think all the people telling you it's abuse are wrong?

I don't think people are wrong about it being abuse, I just think it's a hard accusation to accept so quickly only because i never saw it as such. I saw things as unfair/unequal/illogical/ignorant - literally any other word to describe his "logic" that i clearly didn't understand, but abuse is never a word that even crossed my mind.

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VickyEadieofThigh · 11/01/2025 11:46

I know my partner's phone password and she knows mine (in case of an emergency situation) but it wouldn't occur to me to look at her phone under normal circumstances and I doubt very much she'd look at mine.

I find it remarkable how many times we gear on MN that one or other partner glhas done this.

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:43

MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 11/01/2025 11:24

OP, did you read my last post? Did you look at the article I pointed you to? I'd be VERY interested to hear your response to it.

https://www.thehotline.org/resources/should-i-go-to-couples-therapy-with-my-abusive-partner/

So, i did, and it's weird because I hear what everyone here is saying, and I heard what my own therapist said about him being manipulative/controlling/abusive, but it's weird because after couple's and individual therapy, he started helping with the kids more, being more receptive to me telling him I might be overstimulated or need a break just to shower or meet my own needs.

So I feel like therapy helped with helping him to be more aware and understanding/compassionate to situations and how to reciprocate the way he's expecting/wanting to be treated. It just hasn't helped him to understand how something is going to affect someone else's emotions.

For example, I told him his mom/sister are lying on me. He told me to ignore it because he "got over it" and just ignores what they're saying. I told him it's not about whether or not I can ignore it, it's about the fact that they think it's okay to KEEP lying on me to him and have him come to me asking questions each and every time.

Again, he tells me he understands what I'm saying, but it's not a problem to him because he got over it. I tried explaining that it's not about getting over it, it's about the fact that they think it's okay to lie on me, which, without corrective action, will continue to happen, which means I'm just supposed to forever ignore them?

So therapy has helped him be more hands on and helpful with the kids so I can also get a break occasionally, but it doesn't help him to understand why something might bother me on a deeper emotional level.

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Bumblebeestiltskin · 11/01/2025 11:38

ConfusedAdult2001 · 07/01/2025 15:51

Again, I never saw it as abuse. I saw it as me trying to hide something from him, which I've been told by him and apparently his friends that seem to think I'm also in the wrong, means I have something to hide.

I know and understand that abuse can be physical, psychological, and emotional. So if this is actually abuse, is it at all possible I've just been conditioned into believing that my perspective is perpetually wrong? Granted, I feel like that would be a bit of a leap from me being upset he looked on my phone to finding out I'm being psychologically and emotionally manipulated without knowing it.

Again, I'm not denying that this could actually be a sign of abuse, I think I'm trying to ask how do I get 100% confirmation that it is?

Do you think all the people telling you it's abuse are wrong?

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:27

I forgot to mention, he was also asking for 1hr a day after work to decompress, but that "1hr" was often 3-5hrs after he got home from work.

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:25

YouveGotAFastCar · 11/01/2025 10:58

Again, I never saw it as abuse. I saw it as me trying to hide something from him, which I've been told by him and apparently his friends that seem to think I'm also in the wrong, means I have something to hide.

So he can "vent" to his friends, then, to get their opinions - it's only you that is disrespectful by doing so?

He claims he can't watch them while he eats or watches a game because they tend to interrupt whatever he's trying to do, which i explained happens with everyone who's watching the kids.

I love sport. I've had to watch pretty much every football game and MotoGP race and anything else in the last 3 years with a baby, toddler or both with me. That's parenthood. Of course they tend to interrupt what he's trying to do...

He's an awful, pretty abusive husband to you; and a half-hearted Dad to his kids.

I did initially have some empathy for him when you said you were taking 20 minutes to sit by yourself after work, and he didn't know and was concerned you were cheating - I think if the situation was reversed, people may suggest that is pretty unreasonable of him, generally - but even if there's an understandable grain of reasonableness for his behaviour then, it does not excuse how controlling and dysfunctional this relationship has now become.

I don't know how he's rationalized it making sense in his head, but it's easier not trying to rationalize it on my own and to just agree with him and move on.

I also understood this being parenthood as well, hence why i normally don't complain. I don't complain about the things that come along with parents, it's about the fact that it feels like I'm on my own despite "not" actually being a single parent.

I'm not trying to justify me taking 20mins after work at all, but I was only doing it because I got no time to myself at all. He works Mon-Fri 9-5, and coaches basketball 2x/wk, often not coming back home until either 7:30/8pm after practice, and not until after 9pm from a game. At that time, he was still saying how he needed basically all day Saturday to "decompress" after working 5 days straight, so he would basically play video games all day on Saturdays, or just do whatever he wants for himself, while I had the toddler the whole time by myself.

At that time, i was working full time, but i would also care for the toddler before going to work, go to work, and then come back home and have a baby thrust into my arms before even fully stepping through the front door, and seemingly no one was able to tell me the last time she ate/got changed/if she bathed/etc.

So instead of asking and being denied 20mins to gather my thoughts, I worked it into my day right after getting off work, because I wasn't going to get it by simply asking.

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daisydaughter · 11/01/2025 11:25

This does not sound like a happy marriage, time to leave.

TinyFlamingo · 11/01/2025 11:18

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:16

I've tried, but my interests mainly happen to be at home, so if I'm home and hear the girls crying/fussing/needing something, I can't sit and do whatever I want unbothered, like I can't just ignore them, so I have to see what's wrong with them, especially if they're like breaking down crying.

I try to just leave the house whenever I get uninterrupted time alone. That way, none of that bothers me, and I can actually enjoy my time alone. I normally just like to have uninterrupted time to think or write in a notebook, just so I can gather/collect/align my thoughts.

I also get that his time is his sports, or whatever else he can only do without the kids with him, however, it help more if he was more aware of these things and not just so ignorant to certain things?

He coaches basketball 2x/wk, so 1-2x/wk, I'm home alone with the kids all day, or i work and then have the kids alone until long past their bedtime ALONE. Again, it doesn't really bother me, I know how to be with them both alone and still get stuff done around the house whilst also meeting their needs.

But by the time he comes home, the kids are either fast asleep or on their way to sleep. And what is he doing after that? Playing the game, or eating alone, meanwhile, I haven't even had the chance to shower yet, but we can't just swap places either because I'm trapped holding/cuddling the kids until they're down for the night.

I'm sorry your the default parent. It's really tough. Keep trying to carve out time for you.

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 11:16

TinyFlamingo · 11/01/2025 10:49

Ok, I get that his time is his sports but when he'd already been out for a funeral this night he needed to step up
If I were you I'd develop an interest in a sport and take that time back equally because what is good for the goose is good for the gander you should also have equal uninterrupted time for your interest "sport".

I've tried, but my interests mainly happen to be at home, so if I'm home and hear the girls crying/fussing/needing something, I can't sit and do whatever I want unbothered, like I can't just ignore them, so I have to see what's wrong with them, especially if they're like breaking down crying.

I try to just leave the house whenever I get uninterrupted time alone. That way, none of that bothers me, and I can actually enjoy my time alone. I normally just like to have uninterrupted time to think or write in a notebook, just so I can gather/collect/align my thoughts.

I also get that his time is his sports, or whatever else he can only do without the kids with him, however, it help more if he was more aware of these things and not just so ignorant to certain things?

He coaches basketball 2x/wk, so 1-2x/wk, I'm home alone with the kids all day, or i work and then have the kids alone until long past their bedtime ALONE. Again, it doesn't really bother me, I know how to be with them both alone and still get stuff done around the house whilst also meeting their needs.

But by the time he comes home, the kids are either fast asleep or on their way to sleep. And what is he doing after that? Playing the game, or eating alone, meanwhile, I haven't even had the chance to shower yet, but we can't just swap places either because I'm trapped holding/cuddling the kids until they're down for the night.

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YouveGotAFastCar · 11/01/2025 10:58

Again, I never saw it as abuse. I saw it as me trying to hide something from him, which I've been told by him and apparently his friends that seem to think I'm also in the wrong, means I have something to hide.

So he can "vent" to his friends, then, to get their opinions - it's only you that is disrespectful by doing so?

He claims he can't watch them while he eats or watches a game because they tend to interrupt whatever he's trying to do, which i explained happens with everyone who's watching the kids.

I love sport. I've had to watch pretty much every football game and MotoGP race and anything else in the last 3 years with a baby, toddler or both with me. That's parenthood. Of course they tend to interrupt what he's trying to do...

He's an awful, pretty abusive husband to you; and a half-hearted Dad to his kids.

I did initially have some empathy for him when you said you were taking 20 minutes to sit by yourself after work, and he didn't know and was concerned you were cheating - I think if the situation was reversed, people may suggest that is pretty unreasonable of him, generally - but even if there's an understandable grain of reasonableness for his behaviour then, it does not excuse how controlling and dysfunctional this relationship has now become.

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 10:54

AnOldCynic · 11/01/2025 07:45

He's a grown man who should be capable of looking after two children on his own. Or holding/keeping an eye on a calm baby whilst watching tv.

And if he can't he can learn to, like we all do. So he needs to be left with them more often.

What were you doing in those two hours? I hope it was something pleasurable rather than shopping or chores?

I went and walked around the mall, picked up a few gifts for a birthday party me and the kids are going to this weekend (I invited him, he doesn't want to come, which is fine because your partner doesn't always have to accompany you somewhere, but it'd be nice for him to attend events with us at least occasionally).

So, in the time it took me to make the toddler sleep, the baby was crying. He tried to say that each time he cheered for his team (which is relatively loud), thr baby would start crying, so he tried to say that having the baby while he watched the game would only interrupt his game because she would start crying each time. I told him it's the same when I go to my doctors' appointments, only real difference is, there's not a whole bunch of random loud noise and instead, she wants me to hold/nurse her, ON TOP of the toddler ripping and running around. So i normally have to pause my appointments, which cause them to take longer, because both kids need my attention (no one is able to watch the kids during my appointments).

He tried to say it's not the same 🙃.

He claims he can't watch them while he eats or watches a game because they tend to interrupt whatever he's trying to do, which i explained happens with everyone who's watching the kids.

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TinyFlamingo · 11/01/2025 10:49

Ok, I get that his time is his sports but when he'd already been out for a funeral this night he needed to step up
If I were you I'd develop an interest in a sport and take that time back equally because what is good for the goose is good for the gander you should also have equal uninterrupted time for your interest "sport".

AnOldCynic · 11/01/2025 07:45

He's a grown man who should be capable of looking after two children on his own. Or holding/keeping an eye on a calm baby whilst watching tv.

And if he can't he can learn to, like we all do. So he needs to be left with them more often.

What were you doing in those two hours? I hope it was something pleasurable rather than shopping or chores?

ConfusedAdult2001 · 11/01/2025 00:50

AnOldCynic · 10/01/2025 08:53

@ConfusedAdult2001 "he kind of gets an attitude when I leave him alone with both the kids - which he says is due to him occasionally being stressed out"

Why has no one picked up on this? He avoids looking after the kids on his own?

Would this be an example?:

Today, I was with the kids majority of the day until roughly 3pm; he and his family went to a funeral. He offered to be with the kids for 1-2hrs while I did whatever i wanted/needed.

Came home 2hrs later, baby was asleep, toddler running around bright-eyed and bushy tailed. Me and her had snacks, I pumped, DH came to help her go potty and brush teeth while I pumped. Baby woke up, sports game starts, I ask if I can leave baby with him while I make toddler sleep, he says no, but also doesn't want to make toddler sleep because he doesn't want to miss the game.

I tell him he can hold calm baby and watch the game while I make toddler sleep.

He basically (indirectly) said he'd rather watch the game child-free, so he'd rather make toddler sleep in 5mins than hold/cater to baby the entire game duration.

He asked if I'd take baby after toddler sleeps, tried to convince me we discussed this (I have no recollection of this), told me i could've asked him to make toddler sleep earlier so I could take baby and he could watch game in peace.

I just agreed to take baby after toddler sleeps because I didn't want to put up with his attitude and annoyance anymore, but now he's basically sulking about the current situation, despite me having agreed to getting baby after toddler sleeps.

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ConfusedAdult2001 · 10/01/2025 16:49

AnOldCynic · 10/01/2025 08:53

@ConfusedAdult2001 "he kind of gets an attitude when I leave him alone with both the kids - which he says is due to him occasionally being stressed out"

Why has no one picked up on this? He avoids looking after the kids on his own?

I don't know if he just prefers not to be 100% alone with them without possible help, if he feels insecure or incapable of caring for the kids on his own, or simply just because he doesn't want to "struggle" with them and not be able to do whatever he wants to do. He loves them and they love him, I just think that if the baby starts crying, he doesn't know what to do, and at some point he's going to want a "break" to do whatever he wants outside of their crying/tantrums/etc.

Him and his family went to a funeral today and he offered to look after the kids for 1-2hrs while I go do something for myself outside of caring for them and cleaning around the house, which he didn't really do before therapy (couples and individual), despite basically demanding his own personal time to do whatever he chooses (because it definitely felt like he was demanding the time he "needed" after work and the whole day Saturday - has since changed to no alone time until after both kids are settled).

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MadnessIsMyMiddleName · 10/01/2025 11:33

As I said previously OP I really don't think that there is anything to be gained by couples counselling now. Your own therapist has agreed that the things we've pointed out to you about him being controlling, etc., is correct, and it is not recommended that couples in abusive relationships attend joint therapy. Try reading this:

https://www.thehotline.org/resources/should-i-go-to-couples-therapy-with-my-abusive-partner/

BitOutOfPractice · 10/01/2025 08:59

In the course of my life, one thing that I have found is that people who are obsessed with being respected, who demand it, are very very rarely worthy of it.

Respect is earned and deserved, not demanded and enforced.

remember that next time he’s banging on about you respecting him and his Family.

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