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To hate Americanisms...?

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Groof · 05/01/2025 22:54

I think maybe because it feels like all English-speaking cultures are becoming boring and homogenous.

New ones I've noticed that people in the UK didn't routinely say five years ago but are now EVERYWHERE:

  • birth control (instead of 'contraception' or 'the pill')
  • wait list (instead of waiting list)
  • reach out

Which ones do you hate or AIBU?

OP posts:
venus7 · 10/01/2025 15:14

Dreamingoftheunknown · 10/01/2025 15:06

Maybe to look up the meaning of ‘get’?😉

Oh, of course; as in 'get lost?'

Dreamingoftheunknown · 10/01/2025 15:06

venus7 · 10/01/2025 14:59

I called a word use ugly, not the way others speak. Why do I need a dictionary? I have one, of course, but why do you assert I need one?

Maybe to look up the meaning of ‘get’?😉

venus7 · 10/01/2025 15:05

BarbaraHoward · 10/01/2025 15:01

If you can't understand the simple phrase "can I get" nor the multiple meanings of the word "get", then a dictionary may come in handy.

I do understand it, and your bitter resentment. Have a nice day, y'all...........which doesn't mean quite what one would think.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/01/2025 15:01

The divergences can be handy for crossword setters too. While I'm quite happy to defer to Inspector Morse's preference for the -ize suffix, I'm sure he'd have accepted that -ise is sometimes required to fit with the crosswise word.Grin

BarbaraHoward · 10/01/2025 15:01

venus7 · 10/01/2025 14:59

I called a word use ugly, not the way others speak. Why do I need a dictionary? I have one, of course, but why do you assert I need one?

If you can't understand the simple phrase "can I get" nor the multiple meanings of the word "get", then a dictionary may come in handy.

venus7 · 10/01/2025 14:59

BarbaraHoward · 10/01/2025 14:35

Catch yourself on, calling the way others speak "ugly". And get a dictionary while you're at it.

I called a word use ugly, not the way others speak. Why do I need a dictionary? I have one, of course, but why do you assert I need one?

knitnerd90 · 10/01/2025 14:49

Our spelling diverged 200 years ago. There's no standardising it now.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/01/2025 14:44

Computer languages are standardised. No follow rules, no programme/program working.

But there are many computer languages, some more appropriate for certain applications than others. Something as simple as a single = sign doesn't mean the same thing in all languages!

ErrolTheDragon · 10/01/2025 14:41

@NeverDropYourMooncup Scientific Taxonomy changes/evolves like language.

No, the process is entirely different - as @BeAzureAnt says Taxonomic nomenclature works rather well...there is a rule book and if you want to change something it is done by peer review. There has to be some reason for change, and when there's a reclassification it's not just the name, each one has to have a unique numeric ID assigned etc.

We don't have the equivalent of an academie français for 'English' , who on earth should be the arbiter of the rules, who would do the peer review?

BarbaraHoward · 10/01/2025 14:35

venus7 · 10/01/2025 14:26

That's not asking for something though. 'Can I get' is ugly, and does indeed imply the customer will make the food/drink and serve themselves.

Catch yourself on, calling the way others speak "ugly". And get a dictionary while you're at it.

venus7 · 10/01/2025 14:26

BarbaraHoward · 05/01/2025 23:44

There's nothing wrong with "can I get", apart from the lack of a please. "Get" can mean to receive, as in "did you get my email" or "did you get anything nice for Christmas".

That's not asking for something though. 'Can I get' is ugly, and does indeed imply the customer will make the food/drink and serve themselves.

BeAzureAnt · 10/01/2025 14:10

mathanxiety · 10/01/2025 01:09

I love the variety, personally, and the ways languages evolve. Shades of meaning and nuance are important elements of communication.

As far as introducing standardised spellings globally - I don't think that would work. We already have grammar, rules on commas, apostrophes, and other punctuation, as well as standard spelling within various iterations of English, and you can see for yourself here and everywhere else online how successful that has been. Not a day goes by when I don't find a clanger involving grammar, spelling, or syntax even on the BBC app.

Oh, I think it could work. Taxonomic nomenclature works rather well...there is a rule book and if you want to change something it is done by peer review.

Or, we could just throw it out the window and spell phonetically like the early moderns did and have no rules at all. How wood dat bee?

Computer languages are standardised. No follow rules, no programme/program working.

I find it absurd all the various style sheets, spelling, etc. What a waste of time.

mathanxiety · 10/01/2025 01:09

BeAzureAnt · 09/01/2025 13:25

I would welcome standardization of English across the board. Different spellings, where the comma goes with punctuation marks, etc are real pains in the toga if you write for both US/UK audiences.

The scientists have it right...an agreed code of taxonomy for the flora and the fauna on the planet...uniform names to stop confusion.

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I love the variety, personally, and the ways languages evolve. Shades of meaning and nuance are important elements of communication.

As far as introducing standardised spellings globally - I don't think that would work. We already have grammar, rules on commas, apostrophes, and other punctuation, as well as standard spelling within various iterations of English, and you can see for yourself here and everywhere else online how successful that has been. Not a day goes by when I don't find a clanger involving grammar, spelling, or syntax even on the BBC app.

mathanxiety · 10/01/2025 01:00

twinklystar23 · 09/01/2025 22:28

Out for a meal when everyone used the can i get i say "if i may" "may i have" guess there rolling their eyes at me !

Are you asking for permission?

ErrolTheDragon · 09/01/2025 22:45

But oddly, though everyone else followed that Americanisation, the Americans have not followed their part of the bargain, and still spell aluminium as aluminum.

They do in my company! (Though come to think, not that many of our Americans have American English as a first language)

twinklystar23 · 09/01/2025 22:28

Out for a meal when everyone used the can i get i say "if i may" "may i have" guess there rolling their eyes at me !

Treaclewell · 09/01/2025 22:18

Scientists attempted to adopt common spelling in publications with give and take applied. Which is why we now spell sulphur as sulfur is science papers. But oddly, though everyone else followed that Americanisation, the Americans have not followed their part of the bargain, and still spell aluminium as aluminum.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 09/01/2025 18:25

BeAzureAnt · 09/01/2025 13:25

I would welcome standardization of English across the board. Different spellings, where the comma goes with punctuation marks, etc are real pains in the toga if you write for both US/UK audiences.

The scientists have it right...an agreed code of taxonomy for the flora and the fauna on the planet...uniform names to stop confusion.

Edited

Scientific Taxonomy changes/evolves like language.

I'll give an example - Giant House Spiders. They were three species within the Tegenaria genus - T. etrica, T, duellica and T, saeva. They were collapsed into a single species Eratigena atrica in 2013. And then moved back again to Tegenaria and the three separate species restored in 2020.

I don't suppose that the overall nature of them being big, hairy bastards that make you jump when they stomp over your pillow at night has changed as a result of scientists deciding to count the teeth on the chelicerae and differentiating between six plus of differing sizes (Eratigena) or three to six of pretty much equal size. But they do illustrate how Taxonomy is not a fixed quality that cannot change.

RitaIncognita · 09/01/2025 17:43

CulturalNomad · 09/01/2025 14:14

We have a milkman who delivers twice a week with glass bottles

This was common in the US up until the late 1970's. My parents had milk delivered to the house until the late 80's (but we happened to live close to a dairy farm).

Same for me. And they also delivered ice cream, but that was a bit of a challenge in the summer in Georgia.

CulturalNomad · 09/01/2025 14:14

We have a milkman who delivers twice a week with glass bottles

This was common in the US up until the late 1970's. My parents had milk delivered to the house until the late 80's (but we happened to live close to a dairy farm).

RaraRachael · 09/01/2025 13:37

In our area, I went to High School, there is also an Academy (long before they became a thing) and a Grammar school (nothing to do with being selective). They're all just names - no meaning behind them whatsoever.

BeAzureAnt · 09/01/2025 13:27

Treaclewell · 09/01/2025 11:30

At the time, milkmen were quite common. They are now being reintroduced in some areas, but are largely nocturnal. So you are probably right.
I note that the style of this post is influenced by the article I have just read on rewilding areas of Britain!

We have a milkman who delivers twice a week with glass bottles and a fishman who delivers every couple weeks. MIght be more common in rural areas in the UK, not sure.

BeAzureAnt · 09/01/2025 13:25

I would welcome standardization of English across the board. Different spellings, where the comma goes with punctuation marks, etc are real pains in the toga if you write for both US/UK audiences.

The scientists have it right...an agreed code of taxonomy for the flora and the fauna on the planet...uniform names to stop confusion.

thing47 · 09/01/2025 13:19

RitaIncognita · 08/01/2025 21:24

I've had posters tell me I couldn't possibly have attended a High School.

I have seen this notion that "high school' is an Americanism on MN from time to time. Tell that to the Royal High School in Edinburgh, which was the first school to call itself "high" many centuries ago and which was the direct source for the use of "high school" in the U$.

Likewise where I live the girls' grammar schools are called 'High Schools' - so Aylesbury High School, Wycombe High School, Dr Challoner's High School etc

RaraRachael · 09/01/2025 13:10

I think it's interesting to find out about other countries' customs etc eg the milÄ·man.
We had a story about all the children going to school in big yellow buses in the US. My pupils found it interesting as they all walked to school.