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To hate Americanisms...?

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Groof · 05/01/2025 22:54

I think maybe because it feels like all English-speaking cultures are becoming boring and homogenous.

New ones I've noticed that people in the UK didn't routinely say five years ago but are now EVERYWHERE:

  • birth control (instead of 'contraception' or 'the pill')
  • wait list (instead of waiting list)
  • reach out

Which ones do you hate or AIBU?

OP posts:
poetryandwine · 08/01/2025 09:20

debauchedsloth · 08/01/2025 08:53

@mathanxiety you absolutely do not get to tell me squat. You can share your views, give your opinions, even provide some facts.

And you're definitely American. Surely only an American would be that didactic and arrogant.

There are quite a few arrogant Brits on this thread, with an insistence that British pronunciations are superior.

debauchedsloth · 08/01/2025 08:53

@mathanxiety you absolutely do not get to tell me squat. You can share your views, give your opinions, even provide some facts.

And you're definitely American. Surely only an American would be that didactic and arrogant.

Dearg · 08/01/2025 08:36

RaraRachael · 07/01/2025 18:17

I live in an area where we have our own traditional words (Doric). It's very sad that it will die out as children are more likely to come out with American words.
My former pupils will no doubt remember me as the teacher who used to say "We're not American" in response to butt, recess, movie, diaper etc 😆

Fit like Rara?

I am guilty of Americanisms, having worked with Americans since graduating, eons ago.
But you are not wrong with respect to losing Doric. I would like to see more emphasis on Doric and less Gaelic, in our corner of Scotland. More reading in dialect in schools, and perhaps Road signs showing actual Doric names rather than English and Gaelic

Sorry, thread derail.

HotCrossBunplease · 08/01/2025 07:57

mathanxiety · 08/01/2025 03:56

What a strange question. There's a lot to unpack there, I suspect.

Yes, of course I can be simultaneously Irish, a native speaker of British English (thanks to the fact that half of my ancestors are British, with the cut glass accents to prove it), a native speaker of Hiberno English thanks to the other half of my roots, and also a fluent speaker of American English as a result of decades of exposure. I also speak Irish and German - mind boggling, right?

Having ancestors/ relatives brought up somewhere different to you does not make you a native speaker. I am a native speaker of Scottish English. My son was born and brought up in England, by me. He recognises some dialect words/ regional phrasings and of course has no trouble understanding my accent, but would not use those words or phrasings himself and he has no instinctive knowledge of how a Scottish person would say something.

Also, I would never describe myself as a native speaker of English English despite living in England for 32 years since the age of 18.

Why would my mind be remotely boggled that you speak German? I also speak French, Spanish and Portuguese, so what?

All I am saying is that sometimes you seem unwilling to accept what others are saying and you can’t possibly have superior knowledge of everything.

mjf981 · 08/01/2025 04:26

This is offensive to Americans.
I'm sure there is a lot about British language that annoys them. Or maybe not, because they're just nicer people...🙄

mathanxiety · 08/01/2025 03:56

HotCrossBunplease · 07/01/2025 23:26

Have you not said previously that you are an Irish emigrant to the United States?

You can’t be an authority on both British American English. (Other than a self-appointed one of course)

What a strange question. There's a lot to unpack there, I suspect.

Yes, of course I can be simultaneously Irish, a native speaker of British English (thanks to the fact that half of my ancestors are British, with the cut glass accents to prove it), a native speaker of Hiberno English thanks to the other half of my roots, and also a fluent speaker of American English as a result of decades of exposure. I also speak Irish and German - mind boggling, right?

Pallisers · 07/01/2025 23:54

RaraRachael · 07/01/2025 18:17

I live in an area where we have our own traditional words (Doric). It's very sad that it will die out as children are more likely to come out with American words.
My former pupils will no doubt remember me as the teacher who used to say "We're not American" in response to butt, recess, movie, diaper etc 😆

I can understand this. I come from a part of Ireland which (just like every other part of Ireland) had its own words/expressions/slang. Many of them have fallen out of use now. Of course language has to evolve but it is sad when fabulous local words and expressions are lost.

HotCrossBunplease · 07/01/2025 23:26

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:12

I'm a native speaker of British English. so I believe I do in fact get to tell you what certain words mean.

Have you not said previously that you are an Irish emigrant to the United States?

You can’t be an authority on both British American English. (Other than a self-appointed one of course)

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 22:58

RaraRachael · 07/01/2025 18:17

I live in an area where we have our own traditional words (Doric). It's very sad that it will die out as children are more likely to come out with American words.
My former pupils will no doubt remember me as the teacher who used to say "We're not American" in response to butt, recess, movie, diaper etc 😆

Parliamentary recess has a very similar meaning to the American school recess meaning. Imo it's a more elegant term than lunch break or lunch time or other terms that are used in the UK.

Moving pictures was the term used in both the UK and US when they first appeared, and "movies" comes from that. The term movie is more specific than film since it refers just to the finished product after the filming and the editing of the film.

Butt has several meanings, all originsting in British English.

Diaper has one specific meaning while nappy has several, some of which are considered racist. A preference for specific terms seems to be a feature of American English.

........
All that aside, surely the role of a teacher is to encourage curiosity about other cultures and broadening of vocabularies?

There is a great deal of literature in English that is rendered accessible when students are familiar with vocabulary and phrases from other English dialects. American authors tend to use American English.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/01/2025 21:52

Funnywonder · 07/01/2025 20:41

Oh, I like that first option!

It's all in the tone and accompanying look of disdain. 😂

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/01/2025 21:48

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:38

In all my decades in the US I have never once heard this expression.

Agree... it would be more like:
When do you want to go?
Whenever. (Doesn't matter)

elp30 · 07/01/2025 21:29

BarbaraHoward · 05/01/2025 23:23

Another day, another warm welcome for the American users of MN.

Indeed.

It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside 🙄

StarlightLady · 07/01/2025 21:21

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 19:42

You can't discuss Americanisms without discussing word origins.

In the case of pajamas/ pyjamas, people might not be so upset about the different spelling if they understood that the word wasn't originally English and therefore no specific spelling can claim authenticity.

Thanks.

Plus different spellings of words often occur in countries which have different alphabets to Europe (including UK) and north America. You could say things get lost in translation.

tilypu · 07/01/2025 21:04

DappledThings · 07/01/2025 20:59

In US terms yes and nearly universally these days but traditionally in the UK it was series for both. Gavin and Stacey is a TV series. I'm currently watching series 2 of it.

Season is a useful word to have to give clarity.

Yeah, after I posted I realised that i often see 'series 1, series 2' for things.

I think in this instance the American way is better.

DappledThings · 07/01/2025 20:59

tilypu · 07/01/2025 20:57

That doesn't mean the same thing though.

Gavin and Stacey is a series/is serial (consists of multiple episodes).

It has three seasons (plus some specials). Apologies if I got the number wrong..

In US terms yes and nearly universally these days but traditionally in the UK it was series for both. Gavin and Stacey is a TV series. I'm currently watching series 2 of it.

Season is a useful word to have to give clarity.

tilypu · 07/01/2025 20:57

wastingtimeonhere · 07/01/2025 20:46

A season on the TV, no, it's serial.

That doesn't mean the same thing though.

Gavin and Stacey is a series/is serial (consists of multiple episodes).

It has three seasons (plus some specials). Apologies if I got the number wrong..

wastingtimeonhere · 07/01/2025 20:46

A season on the TV, no, it's serial.

Funnywonder · 07/01/2025 20:41

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/01/2025 20:34

I could care less, but, frankly, can't be bothered.
I could care less than I do now which isn't very much.
i could care less, and less, and less and I likely will.

Edited

Oh, I like that first option!

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:38

Dramatic · 06/01/2025 13:53

Whenever instead of when.

"When I was in year 3 we went on a school trip to the museum" becomes "whenever I was in year 3 we went on a school trip to the museum"

It really grates on me.

In all my decades in the US I have never once heard this expression.

Mumtobabyhavoc · 07/01/2025 20:34

AnotherChildFreeCatLady · 07/01/2025 19:43

Just for clarification, smart Americans, like myself, know it is "I couldn't care less" as "could" is obviously wrong for what you are trying to convey. The only people I've ever heard use "could" are the same people who would say "irregardless", aka, dummies.

I could care less, but, frankly, can't be bothered.
I could care less than I do now which isn't very much.
i could care less, and less, and less and I likely will.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:30

CuddlyDodoToy · 06/01/2025 12:14

  • Santa Claus
  • The modern Santa Claus originated in the United States in the 19th century. The character evolved from Dutch gift traditions surrounding St. Nicholas, and was influenced by the 1823 poem "A Visit from St. Nicholas".
  • Father Christmas
  • Father Christmas has a much longer history than Santa Claus, and originated in ancient British mid-winter festivals. He was originally a pagan figure who represented the coming of spring. In the 1850s, the American myth of Santa Claus arrived in England, and Father Christmas began to take on Santa Claus's attributes.

You're conflating the history of the figures with the history of the names.

Santa Claus was used as the name of the jolly old elf in many English speaking countries from the getgo. This includes parts of England. I don't think there are many people in Ireland who ever use the term "Father Christmas".

"Father Christmas" may well be just a regional equivalent.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:20

Optigan · 06/01/2025 08:16

Do the proceeds of a thrift (US) or opportunity (Aus) store go to charity?

I'm in the UK and I wouldn't refer to any secondhand shop as being a 'charity' shop - only those that are run by and support charities.

If it's purely selling used goods I would call it 'the secondhand [whatever it sells] shop, e.g. 'secondhand book shop, secondhand furniture shop'. Or possibly 'vintage' if it's selling clothes.

In the US, a thrift store supports a charity. The charity could be an animal shelter, a drop in site for mentally ill people, a hospice, the Salvation Army mission, or in the case of Goodwill, a chain where people who might otherwise have difficulty getting their feet on the first rung of the employment ladder can work for a while and get a reference to take them to their next job. In this case, the shop is the charity.

A second hand store would be either an 'antique' or 'vintage' store (or more likely "shoppe"), or a 'consignment store'. Antique/ vintage stores would vary from places selling all sorts of crazy crap or junk to places selling carefully curated furniture or designer clothing, footwear, bags, etc. These are 'for profit' businesses.

A consignment store sells clothing, shoes, bags, etc, on behalf of former owners, with part of the proceeds going to the donor and the rest going to the store (and not to charity).

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:12

HotCrossBunplease · 06/01/2025 08:13

No, I think you misjudged the impact of your tone.

If people in the US don’t use “normal”, who are you to tell me what we mean when we say it?

I'm a native speaker of British English. so I believe I do in fact get to tell you what certain words mean.

mathanxiety · 07/01/2025 20:06

RedHelenB · 06/01/2025 06:17

Do you say eard instead of heard, ome instead of home etc etc?

Lots of people do all over England - cockney, west country, etc.

The H in herb is not pronounced just as the H in hotel and history (and more) used not be pronounced in British English.

There are lots of words in British English that still feature the silent H - honest, heir, honour (and more).

They are all words that came into English from French, and the way they are pronounced now in both American and British English has no consistency to it.

HotCrossBunplease · 07/01/2025 19:59

StarlightLady · 07/01/2025 18:27

But if you think about it, we have some many abbreviations in every day speech. ID for identification is one that springs to mind immediately, but there are lots of others.

Interestingly it takes longer to say “WWW” than “world wide web”.

It’s much quicker to type www though!