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That moment you realise you really do hate them

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Thetimeisno · 05/01/2025 22:32

DM is having life saving operation followed by ongoing treatment starting next week. Had a family gathering today as she was too ill over Xmas. DH knew at Xmas it was going to either be today or yesterday based on greater availability. States he didn't know it was definitely happening so booked to play golf and go for drinks afterwards.

Asks me yesterday do I want him to come. I say yes but what about golf. He says he can get out of it. I ask later is he coming and he says no he really should play golf 🤬🤬🤬😡😡😡

Also said I may need to make trips back home a day a week to help out DM and his response is 'well it depends what day it is' - we have 2 primary school age children.

He barely works, just lazes around the house doing nothing. Will save you the expletives but he's such a lazy........

Think this really is it. I couldn't despise him more.

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pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 17:53

Making those first moves to end the marriage, OP, is very, very hard and frankly can be scary, but once you're free of man like this the relief can be immense.

I used to say, to my then husband, that all I wanted was some 'peace of mind' and once the dust had settled after the divorce - and I'll be honest, it took some time and things weren't always easy - I found what I had been missing in my lonely, miserable marriage.

It is possible to be happy. Life is too short to not to try to aim for something better than an unhappy life in a miserable marriage.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:39

barbarahunter · 07/01/2025 16:31

Once you hate them, there is no going back. I think a plan is very wise, @Thetimeisno It took me 15 years to leave, but I did it. Work to your own timescale, give yourself all the advantages you need.

Exactly. He's so horrible he will do anything to screw me over. I need to have all my ducks in a line before I say that's it. Im trying to visualise it as I can't see it happening. I need to leave Im sure of that.

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barbarahunter · 07/01/2025 16:31

Once you hate them, there is no going back. I think a plan is very wise, @Thetimeisno It took me 15 years to leave, but I did it. Work to your own timescale, give yourself all the advantages you need.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:26

Itsallgonesideways · 07/01/2025 16:13

What's his family like? Does he come from a selfish, toxic family? My neighbour is a selfish, self centred cow and her daughter is similar.

He is a clone of his dad. They say and do the same horrible things! I can literally see our future when I see his mum and dad. I need to get out.

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Itsallgonesideways · 07/01/2025 16:13

What's his family like? Does he come from a selfish, toxic family? My neighbour is a selfish, self centred cow and her daughter is similar.

Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:09

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 11:56

Not everyone will agree with you about this decision to continue the marriage, but as long as it is the one you have made, it will feel more comfortable if you accept that it comes with a cost to you in terms of spending your life with someone you hate and despise at least some of the time, and look for other things in life to make you happy.
Of course the children would be upset by a breakup, but they are most likely being affected by the atmosphere between the two of you already. Many children are very sensitive to this kind of thing but may not say anything to you about it.

Thank you for this. I am trying to put a plan together as I know i need to leave and hopefully this will help me reframe my thoughts as it is not good for me or the kids. I am going to therapy to make me stronger to leave too.

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Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 16:02

pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 11:29

Oh yeah, the 50/50 thing.

My exh went a bit further. He told me that he was going to get a relation of a friend of his, the relation was a GP, not my GP I hasten to add, so he'd never treated me in any capacity. I'd only met him at most a couple of times socially, and barely spoken to him.

This man, apparently was going to write a letter saying that I was mentally unstable - I'd suffered from post natal depression with my first child - and he, my exh, on the strength of this letter, would take the children away from me and I'd never see them again.

That was only one of the many threats he made regarding custody of the children and there were others about the house; apparently I was going to have to leave 'his' house - I think he gave me about 2 months notice - as he was getting married again in a few months and needed to move his new wife in - we weren't even divorced at that point.

Anyway, it turned out that in actual fact he didn't want to spend any time with the children at all let alone bring them up full time on his own.

Another golfer funnily enough, among his several other hobbies, and totally self absorbed too; there are, it seems, an awful lot of them about.

He used to say 'you are not taking my kids away from me' and that he would fight for full custody!!!! Now he's lowered it to 50:50. We'll see how much lower it gets next time!

They really are heartless and evil aren't they. No chance of co-parenting with them. It's so sad for the kids.

Mine believes that if you are the dumper you should be the one to move out. I strongly believe he has given up from the way he is acting but says he won't be the one to end it in order to spite me. No doubt when the kids are upset afterwards he'll use the whole 'well it was your mum who wanted to split up the family'

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Thetimeisno · 07/01/2025 15:59

OliveThe0therReindeer · 06/01/2025 23:26

When we split my ex said he wanted 50:50 of our high school aged kids. Like you OP I found it hard not to laugh.

For the first couple of months had them once a fortnight for tea ( a frozen pizza). At that point he was paying child maintenance and he tried to deduct the cost of the meal from how much he paid.

Then his affair partner moved in to his place and he went to seeing the kids for coffee about once every three months.

Several years down the line he sees them once or twice a year for about two hours.

Mr 50:50 dad of the year 🤣

Oh gosh that it shocking. You wonder if they actually believe it when they say it! He sounds so believable or is he disillusioned!

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SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 07/01/2025 11:56

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 08:00

I'm just dreading the break up though and how difficult he is going to be re the children. Wish he didn't have to be in my life but he has to be cos of them.

Not everyone will agree with you about this decision to continue the marriage, but as long as it is the one you have made, it will feel more comfortable if you accept that it comes with a cost to you in terms of spending your life with someone you hate and despise at least some of the time, and look for other things in life to make you happy.
Of course the children would be upset by a breakup, but they are most likely being affected by the atmosphere between the two of you already. Many children are very sensitive to this kind of thing but may not say anything to you about it.

pigsDOfly · 07/01/2025 11:29

Oh yeah, the 50/50 thing.

My exh went a bit further. He told me that he was going to get a relation of a friend of his, the relation was a GP, not my GP I hasten to add, so he'd never treated me in any capacity. I'd only met him at most a couple of times socially, and barely spoken to him.

This man, apparently was going to write a letter saying that I was mentally unstable - I'd suffered from post natal depression with my first child - and he, my exh, on the strength of this letter, would take the children away from me and I'd never see them again.

That was only one of the many threats he made regarding custody of the children and there were others about the house; apparently I was going to have to leave 'his' house - I think he gave me about 2 months notice - as he was getting married again in a few months and needed to move his new wife in - we weren't even divorced at that point.

Anyway, it turned out that in actual fact he didn't want to spend any time with the children at all let alone bring them up full time on his own.

Another golfer funnily enough, among his several other hobbies, and totally self absorbed too; there are, it seems, an awful lot of them about.

OliveThe0therReindeer · 06/01/2025 23:26

When we split my ex said he wanted 50:50 of our high school aged kids. Like you OP I found it hard not to laugh.

For the first couple of months had them once a fortnight for tea ( a frozen pizza). At that point he was paying child maintenance and he tried to deduct the cost of the meal from how much he paid.

Then his affair partner moved in to his place and he went to seeing the kids for coffee about once every three months.

Several years down the line he sees them once or twice a year for about two hours.

Mr 50:50 dad of the year 🤣

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 23:10

BellesAndGraces · 06/01/2025 22:11

If that’s the case what makes you think he will suddenly be able to look after 3 children 50:50? He might want to do that but he will quickly give up when he realises that it actually requires effort to get kids to school for example. If he doesn’t take them to clubs on his contact days you can re-arrange them to other days. There is a solution to every obstacle you put in front of yourself.

As for avoiding conflict and wanting a quiet life, teach your kids that life is too precious to put up with people who suck the energy out of you for the sake of a quiet life. If you can’t leave him for yourself, do it for your kids.

I strongly don't think he will be able to and my solicitor strongly advised me not to even do every other weekend with him as he will not be able to cope and the kids will suffer. Wheels are in motion I just need everything in place before I can leave.

Yes with the clubs if he does start with one week on one week off they may miss a couple of weeks but then he'll probably be like fuck this 50:50 is too hard. Or my solicitor will have started proceedings to stop him having them that amount. My poor babies can't suffer at his hands too. He is honestly evil inside.

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BellesAndGraces · 06/01/2025 22:11

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 21:45

😂🤣 it is completely delusional.

The three times have been times my DM or DF have been ill and it's always 'what time will you be home?' asked over and over again. They are ill he should be saying 'take as long as you want and I hope they are ok'.

If that’s the case what makes you think he will suddenly be able to look after 3 children 50:50? He might want to do that but he will quickly give up when he realises that it actually requires effort to get kids to school for example. If he doesn’t take them to clubs on his contact days you can re-arrange them to other days. There is a solution to every obstacle you put in front of yourself.

As for avoiding conflict and wanting a quiet life, teach your kids that life is too precious to put up with people who suck the energy out of you for the sake of a quiet life. If you can’t leave him for yourself, do it for your kids.

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 21:45

WinkyTinky · 06/01/2025 19:50

After only looking after them both by himself for a total of 3 times for a few hours over their whole life I tried not to laugh in his face. He has no idea what it is to be a parent as he hasn't partaken in being one

Oh I recognise this OP. I've had three hospital stays and one holiday where he's had to look after both kids in the space of 17 years and I got home to chaos on each occasion. Absolutely no clue. It's actually funny that they think they can suddenly become the parent they should always have been when demanding 50/50.

😂🤣 it is completely delusional.

The three times have been times my DM or DF have been ill and it's always 'what time will you be home?' asked over and over again. They are ill he should be saying 'take as long as you want and I hope they are ok'.

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DoloresODonovan · 06/01/2025 21:36

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 18:14

I think this probably will happen. He is a clone of his dad and funnily enough he can't stand him!!!

He said the other day he would want them 50:50 (I think he probably read about maintenance payments!). After only looking after them both by himself for a total of 3 times for a few hours over their whole life I tried not to laugh in his face. He has no idea what it is to be a parent as he hasn't partaken in being one

This will not happen, he is bluffing, as many do.

DoloresODonovan · 06/01/2025 21:32

OP I want to recommend a youtube channel to you, in Shorts, he is brilliant -
(or to anyone else in this miserable but not uncommon situation )- its called
chrisgqperry

also of course the redoubtable Natalie Lue at Baggage Reclaim

WinkyTinky · 06/01/2025 19:50

After only looking after them both by himself for a total of 3 times for a few hours over their whole life I tried not to laugh in his face. He has no idea what it is to be a parent as he hasn't partaken in being one

Oh I recognise this OP. I've had three hospital stays and one holiday where he's had to look after both kids in the space of 17 years and I got home to chaos on each occasion. Absolutely no clue. It's actually funny that they think they can suddenly become the parent they should always have been when demanding 50/50.

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 19:47

arcticpandas · 06/01/2025 19:32

CMS doesn't care about his willingness so he will be forced to contribute...

He's literally the tightest bloke you've ever met!!! Moans every time he spends money. Joy to be around 😂🤣😔

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Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 19:46

arcticpandas · 06/01/2025 19:32

CMS doesn't care about his willingness so he will be forced to contribute...

Hes saying he wants 50:50. Then I don't think he has to pay does he? After looking after them by himself for a total of 9 hours on 3 occasions!!! He ain't got a clue what it takes to look after kids!

I just mean he won't pay any extra. Say if there's a school trip or the clubs they go to etc. But I pay for everything now anyway so it won't be much different!

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arcticpandas · 06/01/2025 19:32

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 07:49

Well he has a full time job so gets a full time wage! Just works maybe 2-3 hours a day. Below average wage so not like he's a top earner.

I earn more but obviously would be tough paying for everything as a single mum. Can't see him becoming any more willing to pay for stuff for the kids if we split 😂🤣🤬

CMS doesn't care about his willingness so he will be forced to contribute...

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 18:14

OhCobblers · 06/01/2025 13:18

He is a vile piece of shit.

Your kids won't want to be with him when they're older I bet. I imagine that will start long before they turn 18.

Get yourself and them away from him.
He won't want them 50/50 anyway as that will impinge on his "me" time and golf?

I think this probably will happen. He is a clone of his dad and funnily enough he can't stand him!!!

He said the other day he would want them 50:50 (I think he probably read about maintenance payments!). After only looking after them both by himself for a total of 3 times for a few hours over their whole life I tried not to laugh in his face. He has no idea what it is to be a parent as he hasn't partaken in being one

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Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 18:10

thepariscrimefiles · 06/01/2025 13:01

The logistics may be difficult, but you would still be much happier without him. He has utter contempt for you but is relying on your never doing anything about it.

What you say about his behaviour at work is quite illuminating. He must be absolutely hated by his colleagues and normally these workshy unpleasant people eventually take things too far and disciplinary procedures will be started.

He brings nothing positive to your life or your children's lives. Bite the bullet and tell him that you have had enough and would like him to leave. If he refuses, stop doing anything for him. Don't cook for him, don't wash his clothes, don't buy food for him and don't sleep with him.

He brings nothing positive to your life. Make a plan to end this relationship.

I know! I really don't know how he gets away with it. He still WFH but surely his manger must know. Some days he'll go out for half the day and he doesn't have emails on his phone!

I've cut back on what I do for him but not that much. I can't stand conflict so do the bare minimum to stop him kicking off. The constant moaning really is tiring tho

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AMurderofMurderingCrows · 06/01/2025 13:22

He's a vile piece of shit.

The ladies of the Aqua Tofana fame had the best idea.

Do we need a modern version?

Aqua Tofana was a poison used in 17th-century Italy. Giulia Tofana supplied it to women seeking to escape abusive marriages. It was given in small doses so it mimicked the symptoms of natural illnesses and allowing the victim to die without raising suspicion. Personally I think Giulia should have been canonised! All hail St. Giulia.

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OhCobblers · 06/01/2025 13:18

He is a vile piece of shit.

Your kids won't want to be with him when they're older I bet. I imagine that will start long before they turn 18.

Get yourself and them away from him.
He won't want them 50/50 anyway as that will impinge on his "me" time and golf?

thepariscrimefiles · 06/01/2025 13:01

Thetimeisno · 06/01/2025 12:37

But I mean the logistics of drop offs, pick ups, and if plans change. Things where we both have to go - parents evening, school events etc. He won't take them to after school clubs so will they miss out on those if they're at his.

The logistics may be difficult, but you would still be much happier without him. He has utter contempt for you but is relying on your never doing anything about it.

What you say about his behaviour at work is quite illuminating. He must be absolutely hated by his colleagues and normally these workshy unpleasant people eventually take things too far and disciplinary procedures will be started.

He brings nothing positive to your life or your children's lives. Bite the bullet and tell him that you have had enough and would like him to leave. If he refuses, stop doing anything for him. Don't cook for him, don't wash his clothes, don't buy food for him and don't sleep with him.

He brings nothing positive to your life. Make a plan to end this relationship.