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girlfriend44 · 04/01/2025 21:57

I always thought that foodbanks were given out of date stock when I saw them collecting from shops and supermarkets.
I have now found out they buy items from certain retailers at a reduced price.
They put orders in. Where does the money come from to purchase?
Also they have vans, which cost money in petrol etc.
Anyone else think the same, never realised they were collecting stuff they had ordered in. I thought it was donated to them?÷

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JessiesJ99 · 05/01/2025 09:06

Also, we get donations that went out of date 2 - 3 yrs ago on occasion!!! Any out of date food that isn't too old - is left on a table so people can have a look and decide for themselves if they want it. We would never give it out. We also can't give out food with no date on it & no English on packaging.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:05

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:00

We all make decisions all of the time.
I'm just a bit fed up of some of us being expected to always make the right decision in our own lives, whilst also subsidising those who consistently make bad decisons and end up in another mess.
I am aware that many foodbank users need support for genuine reasons, and as I said, I used to donate to foodbanks.

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If you don't like the foodbank's criteria and think some of their users aren't worthy of help then that's up to you.

MaryBeardsShoes · 05/01/2025 09:04

RegulatorsMountUp · 04/01/2025 22:04

Why can't you buy it yourself? I thought foodbanks were temporary support for basics not a regular option or meeting 'dietary requirements' surely you'd just pick up the basics from them and buy whatever special goods you need yourself? I can't imagine being unable to afford to feed myself and then asking for specific foods for free from charity. Maybe I just don't understand how this new world works.

Are you naturally so stupid and callous or did you have to attend a course?

JessiesJ99 · 05/01/2025 09:04

I work pt in a food bank. We spend over 1k a week buying food from supermarkets. We also have a van for picking up/ dropping off.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 09:03

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:00

Thank you for this. Yes.

I think we should examine a bit more carefully why people would be referred to a food bank, so how they could ever be in a situation where they cannot afford to buy food each day to feed their child/ren and themselves. We need to start with that before deciding whether their dietary requirements should be respected and whether they should be grateful for out of date food and snaffle it up.

There is incredulity as to how someone could ever be in a situation where they can't walk into a supermarket and join the flow, like everyone else, of picking up what they need and not much thinking about the cost, if at all. Yes, a solid proportion of those referred to the food bank do have substance abuse issues (and let's remember that these very often stem from situations of emotional abuse/disruption, particularly in childhood). But there is also a significant tranche of people who might seem just like the ones you'd see next to you in a 'normal' queue at Sainsbury's. Some of these may be being referred to the food bank by a domestic abuse support organisation. They may have had to get away from a domestic situation which was dangerous/intolerable, and had been going on for years, and had eventually completely decimated their security base, income, and health. Those people might be there for a helping hand to get them through while they do their very best to rebuild their lives and stand on their own two feet again. They may have a child/children who also depend entirely on that parent for survival, the abusive parent's final act of control being to have abnegated all responsibility and to ignore pleas even for a contribution to feed their child.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here)

Maybe consider this instead: if someone gets referred to a food bank, it is because someone in a support organisation, who talks to/meets many people in difficult situations, has, with their experience, judged that this person is in a desperate situation and does not have enough income to pay for accommodation, services and food. Very most likely this means that the person's income has been severely affected by something. Which means their ability to earn has been affected. Which means something pretty catastrophic has happened in their lives.

Imagine you are walking down the street and it's sunny and you are feeling good and then a lycra cyclist smashes into you and suddenly you are in the gutter and dirt and dazed and hurt and trying to get out of the way of an oncoming bus. In that situation, you might have a moment of sheer panic. But then you feel someone helping you get out of that gutter, and talking kindly to you, and dusting you down, and checking if you are ok or need to go to A and E.

The food bank isn't just about food. It isn't about Harrods Christmas puddings and tinned potatoes and unwanted toys and Harding & Bayliss hand cream sets. It is about kindness. For the person who's been referred, they walk into a room of people gathered there for one purpose only: to show them kindness.

That's the bottom line that I felt I needed to add into the conversation.

So when that person beleaguered by life, for whatever reason, and most probably because they've encountered someone else who's really attacked them at some point in their lives, to bring them down to this, walks into the food bank, then ... do we give them out of date chicken? Or tell them that their lactose intolerance doesn't matter here, because now they are on charity so should be grateful for whatever they get? Or do we roll our eyes and say 'how is it possible they can't afford food?' ? How it's possible is super simple. You get some money. You pay for a home for your kid. And then you don't have any money left. Not even £1. So then what do you do? And don't say 'you go out and get a job' because if you are running so on empty that you can't even buy food, then the panic is extreme and you don't even have the focus for anything else because your mind is only filled with one thing: how to feed your child. And nobody would be employing someone who is on the edge like that and hasn't got the basics covered.

So the food bank steps in. Stabilises the basic situation. Gives some foundation. Then the person is able to take their focus off foraging and start to get back into a normal mindset and work up their own income. Then one day they don't need the food bank anymore. They become like the 'rest' of us, putting things in the food bank box at the end of the shop.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here) there was absolutely no need to reinforce those commonly used labels and drug addicts and people on long term benefits as a lifestyle choice are no more or less deserving of help at the foodbank. The food bank has criteria- if they meat the criteria they can get help. We can't and shouldn't start judging who is "worthy" of help.

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 09:00

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:52

In her mind it isn't though. She needs help and compassion and therapy but no ones going to give her that so the best we can do is food banks

We all make decisions all of the time.
I'm just a bit fed up of some of us being expected to always make the right decision in our own lives, whilst also subsidising those who consistently make bad decisons and end up in another mess.
I am aware that many foodbank users need support for genuine reasons, and as I said, I used to donate to foodbanks.

valentinka31 · 05/01/2025 09:00

RubyOrca · 05/01/2025 02:26

Count yourself lucky that you can’t imagine being unable to afford food. Sadly, many people struggle to afford the absolute basics (food, shelter, healthcare). I’m not in the UK, but none of these are completely free in my country. Then you add things like education (also not free, but mandatory) for kids and it doesn’t take long to see how people struggle.

Charities continue to provide and advocate for those who are struggling. Including providing food.

It’s nice to be able to think that this is just something people deal with for a week or two, but poverty is more pervasive than that. No amount of budgeting and tightening the belt can get you around an income that is below what you need to manage. Food banks make a difference for people week in week out. Including for people with medical food restrictions.

Thank you for this. Yes.

I think we should examine a bit more carefully why people would be referred to a food bank, so how they could ever be in a situation where they cannot afford to buy food each day to feed their child/ren and themselves. We need to start with that before deciding whether their dietary requirements should be respected and whether they should be grateful for out of date food and snaffle it up.

There is incredulity as to how someone could ever be in a situation where they can't walk into a supermarket and join the flow, like everyone else, of picking up what they need and not much thinking about the cost, if at all. Yes, a solid proportion of those referred to the food bank do have substance abuse issues (and let's remember that these very often stem from situations of emotional abuse/disruption, particularly in childhood). But there is also a significant tranche of people who might seem just like the ones you'd see next to you in a 'normal' queue at Sainsbury's. Some of these may be being referred to the food bank by a domestic abuse support organisation. They may have had to get away from a domestic situation which was dangerous/intolerable, and had been going on for years, and had eventually completely decimated their security base, income, and health. Those people might be there for a helping hand to get them through while they do their very best to rebuild their lives and stand on their own two feet again. They may have a child/children who also depend entirely on that parent for survival, the abusive parent's final act of control being to have abnegated all responsibility and to ignore pleas even for a contribution to feed their child.

So it is not all useless drug addicts who can't get a life, or nousy dodgers surfing through life on benefits. (to be clear: I am referring to commonly-used labels here)

Maybe consider this instead: if someone gets referred to a food bank, it is because someone in a support organisation, who talks to/meets many people in difficult situations, has, with their experience, judged that this person is in a desperate situation and does not have enough income to pay for accommodation, services and food. Very most likely this means that the person's income has been severely affected by something. Which means their ability to earn has been affected. Which means something pretty catastrophic has happened in their lives.

Imagine you are walking down the street and it's sunny and you are feeling good and then a lycra cyclist smashes into you and suddenly you are in the gutter and dirt and dazed and hurt and trying to get out of the way of an oncoming bus. In that situation, you might have a moment of sheer panic. But then you feel someone helping you get out of that gutter, and talking kindly to you, and dusting you down, and checking if you are ok or need to go to A and E.

The food bank isn't just about food. It isn't about Harrods Christmas puddings and tinned potatoes and unwanted toys and Harding & Bayliss hand cream sets. It is about kindness. For the person who's been referred, they walk into a room of people gathered there for one purpose only: to show them kindness.

That's the bottom line that I felt I needed to add into the conversation.

So when that person beleaguered by life, for whatever reason, and most probably because they've encountered someone else who's really attacked them at some point in their lives, to bring them down to this, walks into the food bank, then ... do we give them out of date chicken? Or tell them that their lactose intolerance doesn't matter here, because now they are on charity so should be grateful for whatever they get? Or do we roll our eyes and say 'how is it possible they can't afford food?' ? How it's possible is super simple. You get some money. You pay for a home for your kid. And then you don't have any money left. Not even £1. So then what do you do? And don't say 'you go out and get a job' because if you are running so on empty that you can't even buy food, then the panic is extreme and you don't even have the focus for anything else because your mind is only filled with one thing: how to feed your child. And nobody would be employing someone who is on the edge like that and hasn't got the basics covered.

So the food bank steps in. Stabilises the basic situation. Gives some foundation. Then the person is able to take their focus off foraging and start to get back into a normal mindset and work up their own income. Then one day they don't need the food bank anymore. They become like the 'rest' of us, putting things in the food bank box at the end of the shop.

Boomer55 · 05/01/2025 08:59

RegulatorsMountUp · 04/01/2025 22:05

This is what this thread is making me wonder. I thought food banks were temporary measures to cover the basics for a short time whilst someone gets back on their feet.

They were to start with. It used to be a max of 3 times a year.

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:57

Silvertulips · 05/01/2025 08:56

I also think it's a bit shit to be gossiping about customers

Really? Not the fact some working woman with means to feed herself chooses to take from those who can’t?

She clearly has issues for sure and someone needs to help her but you can't choose who benefits from charity. The charities have to do that and they've decided she's eligible.

HellofromJohnCraven · 05/01/2025 08:57

I do a tenner a month to our local one. My reasoning is that I frequently forget til I have paid and then see the donation point. It also gives them the flexibility to stock their shelves with stuff they need, specialist diets etc.

Silvertulips · 05/01/2025 08:56

I also think it's a bit shit to be gossiping about customers

Really? Not the fact some working woman with means to feed herself chooses to take from those who can’t?

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:54

Auburngal · 05/01/2025 08:44

Some people have no financial planning or priorities. There was a woman who came into my work and all she bought was scratch cards and cigs on a daily basis. Spent at least £35-40 a day on these. Never seen her bought food. Yet a colleague walks past a venue which is used as food bank to go to work. Food bank is open twice a week and opens the time colleague starts work. Guess who was one of the first in the queue? The scratch card and cigs lady. If she even halved her spending on scratch cards - she would have about £100 to spend on food a week.

Think the woman lives alone as what two customers who live near her said. I live alone and I certainly don't spend £100 a week on food.

I also think it's a bit shit to be gossiping about customers

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:52

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 08:51

Well, if you ignore that she chose to start buying the things. Even buying 1 scratchcard instead of food is a wrong priority.

In her mind it isn't though. She needs help and compassion and therapy but no ones going to give her that so the best we can do is food banks

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:51

Auburngal · 05/01/2025 08:35

There are community fridges which is free food donations which available to all people. This is where most of the instore bakery bread baked/made in supermarkets goes. Doesn't matter if its OOD by a couple of days.

I have donated food to them as when I got Too Good Too Go bags from food shops, a couple of the items I don't eat - bog standard white bread, satsumas and hand them in the next day.

Once I got some pork belly slices and chicken wings - can't stand the former, love the latter, but too fiddly for me to cook with. I listed them on Olio got picked up later that day.

My last workplace did buy items for a food bank. They gave us a list of food to buy - GF stuff, as a PP said their food bank buys them for them. Plus things like sauces, mixed herbs, UHT milk - a mix of cows' and dairy free, long life sponge puddings, breakfast cereal, Plus non food stuff such as washing up liquid, kitchen roll, laundry liquid, shower gel, deodorant. People who donate to food banks need to realise that non food essentials are just as important than food as people need clean dishes, clothes and bodies.

I do realise that thanks. I always go for non food or coffee as its at the top of the "bank the food" list

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 08:51

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:49

That isn't about priorities that's about addiction

Well, if you ignore that she chose to start buying the things. Even buying 1 scratchcard instead of food is a wrong priority.

LikeMyHeartIsAboutToStopBeating · 05/01/2025 08:49

We have standard packing lists - so a family of four will always get similar things (same number of cans of soup, bar of soap, cereal etc). If we relied on donations in kind from supermarket surplus stock and the public we'd not be able to give the nutritionally balanced parcels we do. Financial donations cover the things people don't tend to donate, allow us to buy eggs and veg to add to parcels and keep the lights on!

sushibelt · 05/01/2025 08:49

Auburngal · 05/01/2025 08:44

Some people have no financial planning or priorities. There was a woman who came into my work and all she bought was scratch cards and cigs on a daily basis. Spent at least £35-40 a day on these. Never seen her bought food. Yet a colleague walks past a venue which is used as food bank to go to work. Food bank is open twice a week and opens the time colleague starts work. Guess who was one of the first in the queue? The scratch card and cigs lady. If she even halved her spending on scratch cards - she would have about £100 to spend on food a week.

Think the woman lives alone as what two customers who live near her said. I live alone and I certainly don't spend £100 a week on food.

That isn't about priorities that's about addiction

Auburngal · 05/01/2025 08:44

XxSideshowAuntSallyx · 05/01/2025 08:34

Our one asked for Advent Calendars for the children who go to them, had a drop off point in town. At Easter they get together with the local churches to collect Easter Eggs.

I find the fact that we have food bank in 2025 appalling, everyone should have enough whether in benefits or salary to afford the basic necessities such as food.

Some people have no financial planning or priorities. There was a woman who came into my work and all she bought was scratch cards and cigs on a daily basis. Spent at least £35-40 a day on these. Never seen her bought food. Yet a colleague walks past a venue which is used as food bank to go to work. Food bank is open twice a week and opens the time colleague starts work. Guess who was one of the first in the queue? The scratch card and cigs lady. If she even halved her spending on scratch cards - she would have about £100 to spend on food a week.

Think the woman lives alone as what two customers who live near her said. I live alone and I certainly don't spend £100 a week on food.

unsync · 05/01/2025 08:36

Did you miss the bit recently where older people who didn't need their winter fuel allowance said they donated it to their local food bank?

Food banks wouldn't go far on what people donate from a weekly shop. Look up the Trussell Trust, that will explain it all to you.

Auburngal · 05/01/2025 08:35

There are community fridges which is free food donations which available to all people. This is where most of the instore bakery bread baked/made in supermarkets goes. Doesn't matter if its OOD by a couple of days.

I have donated food to them as when I got Too Good Too Go bags from food shops, a couple of the items I don't eat - bog standard white bread, satsumas and hand them in the next day.

Once I got some pork belly slices and chicken wings - can't stand the former, love the latter, but too fiddly for me to cook with. I listed them on Olio got picked up later that day.

My last workplace did buy items for a food bank. They gave us a list of food to buy - GF stuff, as a PP said their food bank buys them for them. Plus things like sauces, mixed herbs, UHT milk - a mix of cows' and dairy free, long life sponge puddings, breakfast cereal, Plus non food stuff such as washing up liquid, kitchen roll, laundry liquid, shower gel, deodorant. People who donate to food banks need to realise that non food essentials are just as important than food as people need clean dishes, clothes and bodies.

XxSideshowAuntSallyx · 05/01/2025 08:34

InfoSecInTheCity · 05/01/2025 08:23

Our food bank did Xmas dinner hampers, they asked people to put together hampers that contained all tinned and shelf stable items to make a Xmas dinner as a 'treat' for their users who wouldn't otherwise have been able to have anything 'special'.

For any of those who seem to have a problem with food banks, just imagine if your Special Treat Xmas dinner had been a tin of new potatoes, a tin of carrots, a fray bentos pie, some instant stuffing and instant gravy. Followed up by an individual Xmas pudding and tinned custard. That was the shopping list given as part of the request.

We topped ours up to try to make them a bit nicer, but even with Yorkshire pudding mix, crackers, chutney, jam, crisps, chocolates, biscuits etc it wasn't a ever going to make a luxury dinner like so many of us got to enjoy with our families.

Our one asked for Advent Calendars for the children who go to them, had a drop off point in town. At Easter they get together with the local churches to collect Easter Eggs.

I find the fact that we have food bank in 2025 appalling, everyone should have enough whether in benefits or salary to afford the basic necessities such as food.

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 08:30

Catza · 04/01/2025 22:06

If you can't imagine not being able to afford to feed yourself, then you are very fortunate. What is "basic" in your world? Would a loaf of bread be "basic"? If so, what would you do if you had coeliac and couldn't afford gluten-free bread?

Not eat bread.

ueberlin2030 · 05/01/2025 08:28

Foodbanks get food and cash donations - some folk prefer to give cash because it's easier for the person donating and/or it's helpful if FB can specific things that are needed.
Foodbanks only tend to give in date food.
Food pantries/waste reduction initiatives give close to date/out of date food and the primary aim is to reduce waste.
I have donated to foodbanks in the past but no longer do.

InfoSecInTheCity · 05/01/2025 08:23

Our food bank did Xmas dinner hampers, they asked people to put together hampers that contained all tinned and shelf stable items to make a Xmas dinner as a 'treat' for their users who wouldn't otherwise have been able to have anything 'special'.

For any of those who seem to have a problem with food banks, just imagine if your Special Treat Xmas dinner had been a tin of new potatoes, a tin of carrots, a fray bentos pie, some instant stuffing and instant gravy. Followed up by an individual Xmas pudding and tinned custard. That was the shopping list given as part of the request.

We topped ours up to try to make them a bit nicer, but even with Yorkshire pudding mix, crackers, chutney, jam, crisps, chocolates, biscuits etc it wasn't a ever going to make a luxury dinner like so many of us got to enjoy with our families.

Adelstrop · 05/01/2025 08:19

The food bank I worked for was not mainly funded by subsidies or grants (these were occasional). Food was bought with donations from compassionate people. It was not a 'free for all'. People using the food banks had to be referred by an agency such as the CAB. Food insecurity is unfortunately a real problem, and anyone can fall on hard times.

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