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Is my friendship inappropriate?

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Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 16:21

I (25f) have been married to my husband (28m) for five years.

I have a close friend, Ashley, who happens to be male. We’ve been best friends since we were about 14. Our relationship has never been romantic. However when we were 17 and both going through rough breakups, got drunk and had sex. Unluckily that one occasion lead to a very traumatic miscarriage. We agreed to never speak of it again, carried on our friendship as before and both started relationships with our now spouses. He’s now married with kid.

When my husband and I were going through fertility issues, at appointments my pregnancy history obviously came up and he learned about the miscarriage. I was completely honest with him and he didn’t hold any grudges over drunken teenage stupidity.

When we got married I moved to my husband’s hometown, so I don’t have many friends locally. Unfortunately since the birth of our daughter 19 months ago, my relationship with my husband has changed, mostly for the worst. I usually see Ashley on average a couple of times a year (though we talk/text regularly), if I’m visiting my family in my hometown. However Ashley has happened to have been visiting my area twice this month, and we’ve met up. Both times my husband was at work. Ashley and I had our kids with us. After the second time my husband, egged on my my FIL, has decided that Ashley is trying to take me away from him. He said he’s not happy with me being friends with someone with our history, I’m not allowed to see him again, possibly with the exception of my husband being present at all times.

I’m not accusing anyone of being an asshole, I know this situation is entirely my fault. I know my husband is insecure and struggling to adapt to being a dad, and I can see where this jealousy has come from his point of view. But I am upset. I know my husband’s jealousy is only going to get worse and it will end with him demanding me to cut Ashley off and that breaks my heart. Ashley has been my rock for 11 years and there’s nothing inappropriate between us. Despite that.. I’m struggling to know if I have I been completely unreasonable expecting my husband to be okay with my friendship with Ashley? Is it inappropriate no matter what because of that one time seven years ago?

I feel ashamed to admit it but I’m scared if my husband demands to go through my phone.. there’s been a few occasions where he has overstepped the line in arguments and Ashley is the only person I can talk to about it. If my husband finds out I told anyone, especially Ashley, I dread to think how he would react

OP posts:
MeTooOverHere · 08/01/2025 22:03

Angran1 · 08/01/2025 21:04

if the shoe was on the other foot how would you feel..
.sorry but you need to prioritise your husband here !!

goimg through a similar issue from the other side where my partner keeps in contact with an ex fiance amd trust me it hurts !!!

Nah she needs to prioritise her safety and that of her baby.

SausageMashBeans · 08/01/2025 22:02

Sorry to hear you’re going through this OP!
Was there a particular reason you married so young? Thats the first thing that jumped out when I read your post!

MeTooOverHere · 08/01/2025 22:02

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 21:08

Okay. I can’t believe I’m doing this but I guess it might help people understand better. Maybe my judgement is way off, I don’t know. Off the top of my head (this is roughly over a 19 month period)
-The first time I would consider he crossed the line I was pregnant with our daughter, he grabbed me from behind and put his hand over my mouth to stop my crying (following an argument)
-A few instances of grabbing and pinning me down (usually when I’ve lost my temper)
-Pressuring me to have sex before I was ready after giving birth, saying if we hadn’t by x date he would leave
-Pushing me against the wall and shaking me really hard. This is the only time he’s ever actually physically hurt me, though it wasn’t intentional I hit my head quite hard
-Not being bothered to take me to hospital when I was semi delirious with appendicitis and making his dad take me instead
-Punching the walls and throwing his wedding ring in my face when I confronted him for swearing at our daughter. That time I genuinely believe he probably would have hit me if I didn’t keep my mouth shut
-Losing it and threatening to throw me out of the house and keeping our daughter when I said “yuck“ when he was eating a dish I didn’t like

Nothing that has been seriously physical and after he calmed down in all these instances he has been genuinely humiliated and sorry for how he acted.

Edited

I'm sorry but that is abuse and if you don't recognise it as such, you are kidding yourself.
Ashley isn't the problem, your husband is.

AllyDally · 08/01/2025 21:54

Wow this is terrifying, he is extremely abusive OP and you are making excuses for him. Even with months in between incidents this is so beyond normal. Honestly, most people never experience anything as bad as any of these instances in their whole relationship/lifetime.

I am so sorry you are going through this. Please call woman's aid and talk to them. There are options available to you for sure.

Puddingcloths · 08/01/2025 21:48

MNHQ - can you do something so people can see this is a DV thread with an OP who needs sympathy and support? Gobsmacked by some of the horrific comments and assume people haven’t seen the context. The OP is in a dangerous situation under a lot of pressure and is doubting herself. She needs all the help she can get, not casual comments trying to shame her into isolating herself from her only trusted friend.

DearHorse · 08/01/2025 21:44

Your DH is wrong, he is awful, confide in more people. It is his job to treat you well. You don't need to keep his awful actions secret. Prioritise yourself over your DH. I sincerely hope he changes but seriously doubt it.

I understand that it is not easy to leave... but staying seems pretty damn hard too.

I have an H who has shown some awful behaviour recently, so I can sympathise. I also took him to relationship counselling etc. He is also very jealous of my friends. After the awful behaviour started, I eventually changed my mindset to believe that my priority and loyalty is to myself not to him.

I still meet my friends and tell them what is going on. There has been some positive change in him, but I do not want to be tricked. I can notice the negative effects on my health from the constant stress. I bet this is negatively affecting you too

Findinganewme · 08/01/2025 21:26

InkHeart2024 · 08/01/2025 21:23

Have you read all the OP's posts or just the first one on this fairly long thread?

You’re right: I’m so sorry I didn’t see this thread.

if you do come back OP, I wish you well and hope that you can get some help. X

InkHeart2024 · 08/01/2025 21:23

Findinganewme · 08/01/2025 21:22

Your friendship with Ashley sounds confused. You seem confused. Why wouldn’t your husband be?

you are allowed to have any type of friend you want, as long as they are a good human, right?

if you’re honest with your husband, and include him, then that may ease his concerns?

why would he be going through your phone? Just because you’re a married couple, I don’t think it means that there’s an automatic right to each others phones. That said, you probably shouldn’t have anything to hide.

Have you read all the OP's posts or just the first one on this fairly long thread?

Findinganewme · 08/01/2025 21:22

Your friendship with Ashley sounds confused. You seem confused. Why wouldn’t your husband be?

you are allowed to have any type of friend you want, as long as they are a good human, right?

if you’re honest with your husband, and include him, then that may ease his concerns?

why would he be going through your phone? Just because you’re a married couple, I don’t think it means that there’s an automatic right to each others phones. That said, you probably shouldn’t have anything to hide.

CovertPiggery · 08/01/2025 21:16

Merryoldgoat · 05/01/2025 23:35

Are you serious? I’m fucking done.

I’m so sick of all the bollocks on here. I don’t understand what the fuck is wrong with people.

Well done for chasing OP away 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

You obviously have no idea how hard it is for the vast majority of people to even admit to abuse, let alone find a way to leave.

OP had a lot of courage to post the details of the abuse on here and that was your response because she didn't immediately leave.

Shame on you.

ReadingSoManyThreads · 08/01/2025 21:15

Angran1 · 08/01/2025 21:04

if the shoe was on the other foot how would you feel..
.sorry but you need to prioritise your husband here !!

goimg through a similar issue from the other side where my partner keeps in contact with an ex fiance amd trust me it hurts !!!

She needs to leave her husband, not prioritise his abusive ass.

InkHeart2024 · 08/01/2025 21:11

NiftyKoala · 08/01/2025 20:54

I agree with this. Your marriage needs to come first.

Her abusive marriage? Are you sure?

Confused30somethings · 08/01/2025 21:09

Angran1 · 08/01/2025 21:04

if the shoe was on the other foot how would you feel..
.sorry but you need to prioritise your husband here !!

goimg through a similar issue from the other side where my partner keeps in contact with an ex fiance amd trust me it hurts !!!

Rtft

Letstheriveranswer · 08/01/2025 21:09

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 21:55

I just don’t understand how we got here. Before our daughter was born we had the happiest relationship. We dealt with issues and conflict in a healthy way. Even now, when things are good, they’re great. I don’t want to throw away all the positives for a handful of bad instances in the six years we’ve been together

I am sorry to say this, but even if he is wonderful 98% of the time and 'only' abusive 2% of the time, he is still abusive.

I have been in one abusive relationship, 30 years ago. It started with things that you describe, it ended with me sitting shaking on the bed with the bedroom door locked, holding two frightened crying children while he tried to kick the bedroom door down.

I have not had any single experience anything like that in any relationship since. It really isn't normal, please believe me and what everyone here is saying.

If your husband goes to that place when he is under a certain set of stressors, he will go to that place again and again. And there will be future stressors over all the years of a marriage...another baby, a job loss, a house move, family illness...

Confused30somethings · 08/01/2025 21:09

anotherside · 08/01/2025 20:36

So became friends with Ashley around 14-15, had sex with him at 17, and then married husband at 20. Your marriage to your husband sounds like it happened very quickly, which I think is probably making things a bit worse.

To be honest although many people make good friends with people of the opposite sex during school/college years, it is unusual to retain that level of closeness throughout life with a person of the opposite sex. I’d wager if you looked at a pool of 1000 random peoples best friends, at least 98% would be people of the same sex.

I’m afraid jealousy is a reasonable reaction, and I wouldn’t like my partner discussing the emotions and stresses of married life with someone of the same sex as myself either - let alone with somebody they’d previously sleep with.

Of course her husband doesnt like her discussing the marriage with Ashley.....hes abusing her

AppallinglyReheated · 08/01/2025 21:08

Those incidents are really really bad. They are not normal.

I've been with my partner 20 years. We have absolutely had rows, but no, no one has done anything like the things you list. Not ever.

Angran1 · 08/01/2025 21:04

if the shoe was on the other foot how would you feel..
.sorry but you need to prioritise your husband here !!

goimg through a similar issue from the other side where my partner keeps in contact with an ex fiance amd trust me it hurts !!!

ReadingSoManyThreads · 08/01/2025 21:02

Hi @Rosegarden47 I just wanted to tell you that I've been in your shoes. I was married to a man who did similar things to me. I never in a million years thought I was in an abusive marriage. He'd never punched me, nor broken a bone, nor had me hospitalised. I wasn't a victim, don't be silly.

But the angry outbursts continued in their 3 weekly cycle over the years. He'd blow up over the smallest of things, he'd pin me against a wall with his hand squeezing my throat so hard that I could barely draw breath. He'd bite my shoulder, then grab me and throw me down the stairs or drag me into another room by my arm and throw me against a wall. Every single episode intensified.

But I stayed - in denial. Where you are now.

I believed because we were happy once, that it couldn't be that bad.

Eventually, I realised this was just who he was, it was never going to stop like he promised, and I was in real danger.

I started getting my ducks in a row, and just before I managed to go, it happened. He almost killed me.

Finally, I called 999, and he was arrested.

We divorced.

It took a long time, and a lot of episodes of his anger before I realised that I was in an abusive marriage. I'm glad I finally got there in the end. I hope you will one day very soon too x

Zone2NorthLondon · 08/01/2025 20:59

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:55

You clearly have too much time on your hands. I'm responding to this post. Who has time to go through all her previous posts on this page? Not me!

You want fplk to post one definitive post no developments or disclosures so you can keep up? Okay

Lolalaboucheridesagain · 08/01/2025 20:56

Op, firstly, I’m so sorry that you’ve had such awful experiences of relationships. You need support to deal with your past trauma. Secondly, I’m sorry to say, your husband is an abuser and his behaviour will escalate. Please try to face up to this reality. Pregnancy is commonly a ‘trigger’ for domestic abuse. Please read ‘why does he do that’ by Lundy Bancroft. And please, please start to make a safety plan because ultimately you are going to have to leave your abuser for the sake of your own life and your child/ children. Please, please seek some professional support and get a record of his behaviour because he will come after your children (and has already threatened as much).

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:55

Zone2NorthLondon · 08/01/2025 20:53

Why don’t you read op posts only, OP posts see all function that’d be simple. Easier than linguistic gymnastics you’re engaged in now
by post 7 the DV was evident

You clearly have too much time on your hands. I'm responding to this post. Who has time to go through all her previous posts on this page? Not me!

NiftyKoala · 08/01/2025 20:54

glittertime · 04/01/2025 16:42

How would you feel op if this was him with a woman.
You would not be happy either.
It does sound like you do and have been putting friendship before your own marriage.

I agree with this. Your marriage needs to come first.

Zone2NorthLondon · 08/01/2025 20:53

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:49

Who has time to be reading a long thread? She should have said that in her original post. Simple!

Why don’t you read op posts only, OP posts see all function that’d be simple. Easier than linguistic gymnastics you’re engaged in now
by post 7 the DV was evident

InkHeart2024 · 08/01/2025 20:52

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:49

Who has time to be reading a long thread? She should have said that in her original post. Simple!

And if anyone was in any doubt of your lack of tact and sensitivity...

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:51

Willwetalk · 08/01/2025 20:44

Yes, why not? If he wanted to be with her, he would be. My daughter's best friend is her ex. He rented a room from me after they split and is good friends with her husband with whom she has three children. The kids love him, her husband trusts him. Indeed, he's one of the very few people tusted with the kids.

Yes and your daughter's husband is okay with it. This ain't the same though cause the OP's husband isn't happy and the OP is being sneaky about the whole thing. It's his right not to accept or be happy with that friendship.