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Is my friendship inappropriate?

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Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 16:21

I (25f) have been married to my husband (28m) for five years.

I have a close friend, Ashley, who happens to be male. We’ve been best friends since we were about 14. Our relationship has never been romantic. However when we were 17 and both going through rough breakups, got drunk and had sex. Unluckily that one occasion lead to a very traumatic miscarriage. We agreed to never speak of it again, carried on our friendship as before and both started relationships with our now spouses. He’s now married with kid.

When my husband and I were going through fertility issues, at appointments my pregnancy history obviously came up and he learned about the miscarriage. I was completely honest with him and he didn’t hold any grudges over drunken teenage stupidity.

When we got married I moved to my husband’s hometown, so I don’t have many friends locally. Unfortunately since the birth of our daughter 19 months ago, my relationship with my husband has changed, mostly for the worst. I usually see Ashley on average a couple of times a year (though we talk/text regularly), if I’m visiting my family in my hometown. However Ashley has happened to have been visiting my area twice this month, and we’ve met up. Both times my husband was at work. Ashley and I had our kids with us. After the second time my husband, egged on my my FIL, has decided that Ashley is trying to take me away from him. He said he’s not happy with me being friends with someone with our history, I’m not allowed to see him again, possibly with the exception of my husband being present at all times.

I’m not accusing anyone of being an asshole, I know this situation is entirely my fault. I know my husband is insecure and struggling to adapt to being a dad, and I can see where this jealousy has come from his point of view. But I am upset. I know my husband’s jealousy is only going to get worse and it will end with him demanding me to cut Ashley off and that breaks my heart. Ashley has been my rock for 11 years and there’s nothing inappropriate between us. Despite that.. I’m struggling to know if I have I been completely unreasonable expecting my husband to be okay with my friendship with Ashley? Is it inappropriate no matter what because of that one time seven years ago?

I feel ashamed to admit it but I’m scared if my husband demands to go through my phone.. there’s been a few occasions where he has overstepped the line in arguments and Ashley is the only person I can talk to about it. If my husband finds out I told anyone, especially Ashley, I dread to think how he would react

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Thoughtsonallsorts · 09/01/2025 00:53

Jazzjazzjazz · 09/01/2025 00:30

Your marriage doesn’t sound like a happy one and you do need to speak to someone, but I doubt Ashley’s wife’s dislikes you because she overheard someone say he should’ve married you, I doubt that’s all it is. If another woman was blowing up my husbands phone every time she had an argument with her husband and kept in constant touch with small talk- and thought of my husband as her rock- I’d be pissed off. That’s emotional energy that he should be putting into his marriage, not another woman. Just not sure you have a great deal of insight because you are likely too wrapped up in yourself.

To be fair I agree with this. I feel so sorry for anyone suffering abuse but I really don't think the best idea is to be confiding in another womans husband especially when there has been a previous relationship. OP & her DH are thankfully seeing a therapist. This is the person that should be the one they confide in both individually & together. It is pointless hiding issues or the therapy won't work to their advantage in order to save the marriage.

Jazzjazzjazz · 09/01/2025 00:30

Your marriage doesn’t sound like a happy one and you do need to speak to someone, but I doubt Ashley’s wife’s dislikes you because she overheard someone say he should’ve married you, I doubt that’s all it is. If another woman was blowing up my husbands phone every time she had an argument with her husband and kept in constant touch with small talk- and thought of my husband as her rock- I’d be pissed off. That’s emotional energy that he should be putting into his marriage, not another woman. Just not sure you have a great deal of insight because you are likely too wrapped up in yourself.

Bigcat25 · 08/01/2025 23:26

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 22:15

She’s 19 months old.

He’s always been incredibly sorry afterwards. That’s what makes it so difficult

This is typical behavior for abusers. It does make it harder to leave. I'm sorry you're dealing with this.

M103 · 08/01/2025 23:19

OP, I agree with PPs, your husband is abusive. The incidents you describe are not minor. They way you excuse your husband is alarming. You need to leave. It will be better for you and better for your daughter. And DON'T STOP CONTACT with Ashley. He's been your rock for 11 years and you clearly need him at this moment.
You won't lose everything by leaving. You will still have your wonderful daughter (who will be happier without a father that swears at her), some very good friends to support you, and lots of time to rebuild your life (you're still in your twenties from what I have gathered).

Flipflop223 · 08/01/2025 23:08

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 21:08

Okay. I can’t believe I’m doing this but I guess it might help people understand better. Maybe my judgement is way off, I don’t know. Off the top of my head (this is roughly over a 19 month period)
-The first time I would consider he crossed the line I was pregnant with our daughter, he grabbed me from behind and put his hand over my mouth to stop my crying (following an argument)
-A few instances of grabbing and pinning me down (usually when I’ve lost my temper)
-Pressuring me to have sex before I was ready after giving birth, saying if we hadn’t by x date he would leave
-Pushing me against the wall and shaking me really hard. This is the only time he’s ever actually physically hurt me, though it wasn’t intentional I hit my head quite hard
-Not being bothered to take me to hospital when I was semi delirious with appendicitis and making his dad take me instead
-Punching the walls and throwing his wedding ring in my face when I confronted him for swearing at our daughter. That time I genuinely believe he probably would have hit me if I didn’t keep my mouth shut
-Losing it and threatening to throw me out of the house and keeping our daughter when I said “yuck“ when he was eating a dish I didn’t like

Nothing that has been seriously physical and after he calmed down in all these instances he has been genuinely humiliated and sorry for how he acted.

Edited

OH MY GOODNESS. That is so much worse than I had thought. Lady, that isn’t just a tiny bit abusive, he is a major bit abusive. I really, really think you need your own counseling. You are recreating the life that you grew up in. Please leave your husband and do counselling. I’m a counsellor and I’ll tell you what will happen if you don’t - your daughter will grow up exactly the same way. In 20 years time she will be in a violent relationship. Please break the chain - it doesn’t need to continue. You can end this pattern of behaviour now. I’m certain you wouldn’t want this for your daughter but that’s what you are creating for her here. You are replicating your home life (even if it was worse than yours is now, neither are normal). She will grow up with this and this will become her normal. She will then seek out her own abusive partner because that is what abused people do. It creates a chain or a cycle, a pattern of behaviour that re-creates ad infinitum. Only you can break this pattern of behaviour and allow her to grow up in a safe home. What happens when he gets angry with her when she’s a fiery toddler, or a stubborn and rude teenager. He will start doing what he’s done to you to her. I know it’s hard for you to see this but believe me this is what will happen. I see it every day and it’s so depressing when it’s so preventable. He hasn’t been abusive for a month. A month. That’s nothing. You need to leave before something happens to you, the child or both. And please spend a good chunk of time with a counsellor to break this pattern, if not for you but for your daughter.

Isanyonereallyanonymous · 08/01/2025 23:04

I've got chills reading this thread, and not in a good way. The more you say about your DH, the more I want to tell you to run away, fast and far. Men like this are always sorry. Until the next time. I think the recent film ‘it ends with us’ actually portrays this really well.
I hope sharing the following might help.
When I was younger, I lived with a man who started off lovely and as time went on became gradually more and more unpleasant.
I recently explained to a therapist I didn’t feel I could say it was ‘abuse’ because ex ‘only’ picked me up and held me by the throat or ‘only’ smashed down the bathroom door to get to me after I locked myself in there out of fear during an argument or ‘only’ smashed my phone up because I’d been texting a male friend, because I had a role to play in all of those things happening - I felt like it was my fault for having a male friend or it takes two to argue or I obviously hadn’t listened to him if he felt he had to pick me up to get his point through.
And you read threads on here of really nasty DV cases and think your situation wasn’t that bad.
My therapist made the point - whether he hit me or not or ‘only’ picked me up by the throat, your reaction is not much different to if it had been worse- you still get the physical reaction of increased heart rate, stress etc and the emotional damage (NOT downplaying the people who go through far far worse) and that if a friend had said to me that their partner had done the things to them that mine had done to me, what would my advice have been? To leave. So why on earth would I not apply that to myself.
Think about it OP. It’s hard to start again, or to feel like you’re ‘abdandoning’ or ‘letting them down’ your partner in this situation, but when did your needs matter less than theirs? You can start again.

and back to the actual point of the OP. No, I don’t think your friendship with Ashley is inappropriate.
I do think out respect to his wife you may need to reduce your interactions (even if the reason she dislikes you isn’t directly something you’ve done, I’m sure you’d feel pretty crappy if your DH mum said they thought he would have been better marrying someone else, especially if he still saw them) but I wouldn’t do it because your husband is having a hissy fit over it! (Usually I’d say respect your partner, understand where they’re coming from etc but in this instance he sounds like he’s just grabbed something to be horrid to you over and if it wasn’t that it would have been something else)

Movingonup313 · 08/01/2025 23:01

His opinion about what you did as a teen/pre marriage and pre-relationship with you is neither here no there. Its nothing to do with him.
He has no say in who you are friends with - he should not control you like that.
Im worried that you are isolated - you moved for him, things have changed for the worse, you are getting support from a friend and your husband has an issue with it. You are young and this can all take its toll on you. You have done nothing wrong. He needs to work on his own insecurities.

BeNavyCrab · 08/01/2025 22:59

Rosegarden47 · 06/01/2025 00:00

It’s easy to say “just leave” on the internet. But it’s not that easy in real life. I lose my home, stability, my husband who I care deeply for and change the course daughter’s life over a handful of incidents to me are very upsetting, but not extreme

I’m sorry if I’m pissing people off. It hasn’t been easy for me to share these things, especially when this issue wasn’t even why I started the thread.

I really understand what you are saying but by not being honest with the therapist about the worst things doesn't give them the full picture. They will work and advise you differently. You are also depriving your DH from learning to change and are effectively telling him he doesn't need to. I know that you have subjects you have asked him not to share but the potential of violence is a direct threat to your marriage and possibly your life. There's a dynamic between you that could be improved and it could make all the difference, you owe it to both of you to get help to sort it out. It's understandable he's carrying around a large amount of hurt from the loss of your baby. He also might be feeling a bit pushed out by your attention being on your little one and then seeing you sharing emotions with another man is really upsetting him. If he's not taught how to channel his anger or communication to alleviate it, nothing will change. Violence tends to increase as does controlling. Before you know where you are, you will be isolated and feeling like it's all your fault. Set some boundaries and work on reversing it before it took late!

Puddingcloths · 08/01/2025 22:58

user1492757084 · 08/01/2025 22:54

Separate the two issues .. Ashley ... Husband.

Ashley
Have you tried putting the relationship with Ashley more into a normal friend box? Not many people have more time (including brain time) in their lives for friends over their kids and spouse.

  • Talk or text no more than once per week.
  • Meet up no more than once per month, sometimes asking your spouses whether they'd like to join you.
  • Send a Christmas greeting to their whole family.
  • Send happy birthday greetings on social media or card.
  • Invite friend and family to big celebrations like a wedding or 30th birthday etc.

Husband
Have some counselling with husband to explore whether he or you are suffering PTSD over deaths of children. Start again and have intimate, sharing conversations. Go on dates, discover a gentle way to communicate. Have on hand, in case of violence, numbers for womens' aid, your parents, local Police and local mental health. (not Ashley's number)
It might be that your marriage won't work but you can't rely on Ashley being the Knight in shining armour because that is unfair to his marriage and also keeps you from moving on independently.

Edited

Please read the OP’s detailed descriptions of the actual violence (even if she is struggling to recognise it for what it is). Recommending going on dates isn’t appropriate given what she has said.

ifeelsobad · 08/01/2025 22:57

One of my best male friends is the one that got away. We briefly had a convo about why? And we both agreed we were just too young at the time.

Thoughtsonallsorts · 08/01/2025 22:56

Thoughtsonallsorts · 08/01/2025 22:45

An affair is not always physical. I understand people having different views regarding the male/female 'we are best friends' situation when they are both married with children. I would never tolerate my husband having this type of emotional relationship with another woman & I would never disrespect him by having this type of 'close friendship' with another man no matter how well we got on.There is always someone who ends up hurt with a feeling boundaries within the marriage have been crossed. It goes without saying marriage should involve trust. Trust is only maintained by being both physically & emotionally faithful. When you consider the 'friend' is someone you want to turn to & socialise with as a couple to the point the spouse is questioning it,this is when it becomes intolerable for the spouses not involved.

I should add my apologies to the OP as for the first time owing to being busy I didn't read the updates. My initial post was more a general opinion. I have every sympathy for those who have marriage issues involving abuse & they are able to confide in people who can help.

user1492757084 · 08/01/2025 22:54

Separate the two issues .. Ashley ... Husband.

Ashley
Have you tried putting the relationship with Ashley more into a normal friend box? Not many people have more time (including brain time) in their lives for friends over their kids and spouse.

  • Talk or text no more than once per week.
  • Meet up no more than once per month, sometimes asking your spouses whether they'd like to join you.
  • Send a Christmas greeting to their whole family.
  • Send happy birthday greetings on social media or card.
  • Invite friend and family to big celebrations like a wedding or 30th birthday etc.

Husband
Have some counselling with husband to explore whether he or you are suffering PTSD over deaths of children. Start again and have intimate, sharing conversations. Go on dates, discover a gentle way to communicate. Have on hand, in case of violence, numbers for womens' aid, your parents, local Police and local mental health. (not Ashley's number)
It might be that your marriage won't work but you can't rely on Ashley being the Knight in shining armour because that is unfair to his marriage and also keeps you from moving on independently.

Flipflop223 · 08/01/2025 22:53

GivingitToGod · 04/01/2025 20:47

THIS
OP, you need to be honest with yourself and recognise your evolving feelings for Ashley. You talk about things being bad in your marriage since having a baby and your husband struggling with parenthood. Believe me, that is standard with new parenthood and babies. I believe you need to work on investing in your marriage. Best of luck in the interests of all

Are you serious? Invest in your marriage? She has a friendship. A friendship. It happens to be with a male friend. Invest in her marriage with someone who has been physically abusive to her. Who is controlling her friends. Who didn’t even go with her to hospital when her appendix was bursting. Why? Just why would you do that?

AllyDally · 08/01/2025 22:51

Grammarnut · 08/01/2025 22:45

Your husband is being a bit of a dick, but your friendship is inappropriate and possibly dangerous to your marriage, this especially is the case if you are letting off steam about marital arguments to Ashley. If damage to your marriage isn't a problem to you then continue, if it is then you need to reconsider.
Meanwhile 1) Why should your DH go through your phone - it's private. 2) Delete your phone history. (i.e. Belt and braces. If you also want a lifeboat you could have a separate 'Ashley' phone, but be aware that makes your friendship deeply suspect.)

Being a bit of a dick? Have you read the OPs posts. You can click the 3 dots to read them all

Flipflop223 · 08/01/2025 22:50

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 20:04

Honestly I’d be proud of my husband if he drive four hours to help out anyone. When I needed to go to hospital because my appendix was about to burst he got his dad to take me in because he didn’t want to be sitting around a hospital all night 😅

Serious comment here, is it possible that you pick bad men? Your ex pushed you down the stairs and now you’re with someone who is physically threatening and potentially controlling and he didn’t even want to take you to hospital when you had a burst appendix? Are you sure you don’t have a need for counselling to see why you pick bad men?

AllyDally · 08/01/2025 22:50

Thoughtsonallsorts · 08/01/2025 22:45

An affair is not always physical. I understand people having different views regarding the male/female 'we are best friends' situation when they are both married with children. I would never tolerate my husband having this type of emotional relationship with another woman & I would never disrespect him by having this type of 'close friendship' with another man no matter how well we got on.There is always someone who ends up hurt with a feeling boundaries within the marriage have been crossed. It goes without saying marriage should involve trust. Trust is only maintained by being both physically & emotionally faithful. When you consider the 'friend' is someone you want to turn to & socialise with as a couple to the point the spouse is questioning it,this is when it becomes intolerable for the spouses not involved.

At least click the 3 dots and read all the OPs posts. The thread has moved on significantly.

Puddingcloths · 08/01/2025 22:49

Viviennemary · 08/01/2025 22:38

Exactly. The question was in her opening post and thread title. Was her friendship with Ashley inappropriate. Yes. Not a mention of abusive husband. Then came the drip feed about how awful her DH is.

Edited

Please bear in mind that abuse victims often can’t recognise the abuse for what it is, sometimes doubting themselves for years afterwards. I’m frankly gobsmacked by the suggestion she is making it up to justify an inappropriate friendship. She’s more in denial about it than you are!

Thoughtsonallsorts · 08/01/2025 22:45

An affair is not always physical. I understand people having different views regarding the male/female 'we are best friends' situation when they are both married with children. I would never tolerate my husband having this type of emotional relationship with another woman & I would never disrespect him by having this type of 'close friendship' with another man no matter how well we got on.There is always someone who ends up hurt with a feeling boundaries within the marriage have been crossed. It goes without saying marriage should involve trust. Trust is only maintained by being both physically & emotionally faithful. When you consider the 'friend' is someone you want to turn to & socialise with as a couple to the point the spouse is questioning it,this is when it becomes intolerable for the spouses not involved.

Flipflop223 · 08/01/2025 22:45

Jazzjazzjazz · 08/01/2025 22:39

Ashley is your rock as you’ve called him, and your confidant, it’s a long term emotional affair which has in the past led to sex and a deeper connection of the loss of a baby that you shared.

your husband is right to be concerned, you are ploughing far too much emotional energy into Ashley, it’s disrespectful to share all the arguments you and your husband have, with another man.

The fact that it’s all such a dilemma to you evidences which one you need in your life the most.

Are you serious? Do you tell your girl friends about private stuff? How is that any different. What a strange viewpoint. That now you’re married, you can’t have a close relationship with someone else and have a confidant? Really?! What a bizarre way to live

Grammarnut · 08/01/2025 22:45

Your husband is being a bit of a dick, but your friendship is inappropriate and possibly dangerous to your marriage, this especially is the case if you are letting off steam about marital arguments to Ashley. If damage to your marriage isn't a problem to you then continue, if it is then you need to reconsider.
Meanwhile 1) Why should your DH go through your phone - it's private. 2) Delete your phone history. (i.e. Belt and braces. If you also want a lifeboat you could have a separate 'Ashley' phone, but be aware that makes your friendship deeply suspect.)

Flipflop223 · 08/01/2025 22:43

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 17:33

He’s gotten physically scary a few times, I don’t really want to go into it more as it hasn’t happened in a few months now and I’m hoping he’s leaned his lesson

Oh no, a violent person never becomes non violent. Thr writing is on the wall. Violence. Controlling friendships. This isn’t going in the right direction.
I have lots of male friends and I have never once fancied them. I’d be furious if my husband said I couldn’t be friends with them any more. I wouldn’t let that lie. There’s nothing wrong with your friendship.
how has your relationship changed since the birth of your child? In what way has he changed? This is what is fuelling the issues here.

Jazzjazzjazz · 08/01/2025 22:39

Ashley is your rock as you’ve called him, and your confidant, it’s a long term emotional affair which has in the past led to sex and a deeper connection of the loss of a baby that you shared.

your husband is right to be concerned, you are ploughing far too much emotional energy into Ashley, it’s disrespectful to share all the arguments you and your husband have, with another man.

The fact that it’s all such a dilemma to you evidences which one you need in your life the most.

Viviennemary · 08/01/2025 22:38

Lilly1812 · 08/01/2025 20:40

Did she mention any abuse in her original post? No! I see how she's throwing in the abuse just to make her husband look bad because she knows what she's doing is wrong. If my husband was abusive, that would have been the first thing I will mention in my post.

Exactly. The question was in her opening post and thread title. Was her friendship with Ashley inappropriate. Yes. Not a mention of abusive husband. Then came the drip feed about how awful her DH is.

Puddingcloths · 08/01/2025 22:11

AshCrapp · 08/01/2025 19:50

OP I understand. I once posted on MN saying that my DH regularly swore at me and called me a cunt, asking if it was normal. Posters told me it was abuse, and I couldn't believe it. They said: "leave, he will start hurting you and pretending it was an accident". And he did, he stated shoving past me roughly and pushing. I wrote about that on here too and posters told me "leave, he will start punching walls and breaking things, and then he will hurt you". And if course he did both of those things. Posters said, "he'll start doing it in front of your child and eventually he'll start yelling at your child". And he did.

I have to live with this knowledge everyday.

The knowledge that I knew, because everyone on here told me. I knew and I chose to stay. I took a lot of the advice on board, and it helped - I stood up for myself, got a well paid job so that I could leave, told my family what was happening, wrote everything down meticulously, recognised the behaviour as abusive - but I didn't leave, not until he grabbed me a threw me against a wall. Not a day goes past that I don't regret not leaving sooner. When I close my eyes I can hear clear as day the sound of the door slamming and see my one year olds eyes looking at me scared. He was the abuser, but I am the one who let it continue. And I should have known better, because the women on MN told me.

It sounds like you're already way past the point that I was at. Please OP, learn from my mistakes. There is a day in your future when you are safe and live happily with your DC, and the only problem is you look back daily and regret not leaving sooner. Or there is a day where your violent and abusive husband goes too far and it's too late.

Protect your child, leave today.

Such a valuable reply. If anything helps OP see the light, it will compassionate replies like this, not the lectures shouting at the proverbial horse to drink.

Motheranddaughter · 08/01/2025 22:11

No way would my DH tell me who I could be friends with
If he tried to I would consider separation