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Is my friendship inappropriate?

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Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 16:21

I (25f) have been married to my husband (28m) for five years.

I have a close friend, Ashley, who happens to be male. We’ve been best friends since we were about 14. Our relationship has never been romantic. However when we were 17 and both going through rough breakups, got drunk and had sex. Unluckily that one occasion lead to a very traumatic miscarriage. We agreed to never speak of it again, carried on our friendship as before and both started relationships with our now spouses. He’s now married with kid.

When my husband and I were going through fertility issues, at appointments my pregnancy history obviously came up and he learned about the miscarriage. I was completely honest with him and he didn’t hold any grudges over drunken teenage stupidity.

When we got married I moved to my husband’s hometown, so I don’t have many friends locally. Unfortunately since the birth of our daughter 19 months ago, my relationship with my husband has changed, mostly for the worst. I usually see Ashley on average a couple of times a year (though we talk/text regularly), if I’m visiting my family in my hometown. However Ashley has happened to have been visiting my area twice this month, and we’ve met up. Both times my husband was at work. Ashley and I had our kids with us. After the second time my husband, egged on my my FIL, has decided that Ashley is trying to take me away from him. He said he’s not happy with me being friends with someone with our history, I’m not allowed to see him again, possibly with the exception of my husband being present at all times.

I’m not accusing anyone of being an asshole, I know this situation is entirely my fault. I know my husband is insecure and struggling to adapt to being a dad, and I can see where this jealousy has come from his point of view. But I am upset. I know my husband’s jealousy is only going to get worse and it will end with him demanding me to cut Ashley off and that breaks my heart. Ashley has been my rock for 11 years and there’s nothing inappropriate between us. Despite that.. I’m struggling to know if I have I been completely unreasonable expecting my husband to be okay with my friendship with Ashley? Is it inappropriate no matter what because of that one time seven years ago?

I feel ashamed to admit it but I’m scared if my husband demands to go through my phone.. there’s been a few occasions where he has overstepped the line in arguments and Ashley is the only person I can talk to about it. If my husband finds out I told anyone, especially Ashley, I dread to think how he would react

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GreekSun · 05/01/2025 11:36

It's a difficult one but honestly I do think if a woman came on here saying her husband had been meeting up with a "friend" he had once got pregnant not many people would be taking his side..

If your husband is your priority you need to put his feelings first and focus on other friendships where you don't have that kind of history.

Hyperquiet · 05/01/2025 11:29

Inappropriate

ChiliFiend · 05/01/2025 11:23

InkHeart2024 · 05/01/2025 11:13

Couples therapy is not only not advised in abusive relationships, it can increase the risk.

Agreed, I hadn't read the update(s) when I posted that. Obviously if he's abusing her she needs to just leave.

InkHeart2024 · 05/01/2025 11:14

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 09:54

Thanks so much to everyone who has replied, positive and negative.

I know I’m not perfect, and the fact I’m not putting my husband’s wishes/feelings 100% first isn’t good on my part.

For those concerned about my safety, if my husband lays hands on me or threatens to again that will most likely be the end point for me. It’s been over a month since it last happened and we’ve both been making a real effort to step up, so I am hopeful (though I know some people on here aren’t convinced) that things have changed for the better

This isn't how abusive relationships or abusive men work, sadly.

Dogmademedoit · 05/01/2025 11:14

Just thinking that maybe your relationship with Ashley is what’s making your marriage bearable?

InkHeart2024 · 05/01/2025 11:13

ChiliFiend · 05/01/2025 11:02

It sounds like you and your husband would really benefit from couples therapy. Having your first child can be really hard, and insecurities can fester in that space. You need to be relentlessly communicating with each other so that you reach that level of trust where neither person would ever feel the need to go through the other person's phone. It sounds like he needs a lot of reassurance from you that you still want to be with him at this point. Having said all that, if the relationship has gone downhill because he's not pulling his weight, hasn't been supportive etc. - maybe it's time to consider whether you do want to be with him - and if he's not willing to work on the relationship to address his unfounded insecurities, he's not a keeper anyway.

Couples therapy is not only not advised in abusive relationships, it can increase the risk.

InkHeart2024 · 05/01/2025 11:12

I don't think you should be cutting off a friend who has supported you to leave a previous abusive relationship when it sounds like you're currently in another one.

Bodybutterblusher · 05/01/2025 11:12

It sounds like you're in a abusive relationship and need to leave. And Ashley knows about it so he's a threat

Quinto · 05/01/2025 11:09

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 10:14

He’s never hit me or anything, it’s always been pretty minor stuff or being physically threatening

There’s plenty on here that agree that I’m the problem because I consciously or unconsciously haven’t been putting his feelings first

Edited

You should never put someone else’s feelings first! Centre yourself, and focus on you. Why on earth would you sacrifice something as crucial as a good, sustaining longterm friendship for a faltering marriage that involves threats and jealousy?

Joelle84 · 05/01/2025 11:08

What does physically threatening mean?

LTB you should be with Ashley

ChiliFiend · 05/01/2025 11:02

It sounds like you and your husband would really benefit from couples therapy. Having your first child can be really hard, and insecurities can fester in that space. You need to be relentlessly communicating with each other so that you reach that level of trust where neither person would ever feel the need to go through the other person's phone. It sounds like he needs a lot of reassurance from you that you still want to be with him at this point. Having said all that, if the relationship has gone downhill because he's not pulling his weight, hasn't been supportive etc. - maybe it's time to consider whether you do want to be with him - and if he's not willing to work on the relationship to address his unfounded insecurities, he's not a keeper anyway.

TeabySea · 05/01/2025 10:21

OhBling · 05/01/2025 10:12

I know I’m not perfect, and the fact I’m not putting my husband’s wishes/feelings 100% first isn’t good on my part

This sentence is almost scarier than the one where you think because he hasn't put hands on you for a month, he's not going to. Particularly as instead of continuing to grovel he is making you responsible for his insecurity.

I prioritise my dh a lot but it wouldn't occur to me to say I need to.100% put his feelings first.

We are not judging you but please come.back to MN when things continue to get worse.

Absolutely this.
OP, your husband is putting his ego 100% above you, your child and your feelings.
The more you say to try to justify the situation, the worse it reads.
You're young. He's fairly young. But he's acting like a Victorian father figure who must have authority and "respect".
Seriously- you need to give very careful consideration to your future with this relationship because from am outside perspective, this looks coercive with a tendency towards threats of violence.

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 10:14

OhBling · 05/01/2025 10:12

I know I’m not perfect, and the fact I’m not putting my husband’s wishes/feelings 100% first isn’t good on my part

This sentence is almost scarier than the one where you think because he hasn't put hands on you for a month, he's not going to. Particularly as instead of continuing to grovel he is making you responsible for his insecurity.

I prioritise my dh a lot but it wouldn't occur to me to say I need to.100% put his feelings first.

We are not judging you but please come.back to MN when things continue to get worse.

He’s never hit me or anything, it’s always been pretty minor stuff or being physically threatening

There’s plenty on here that agree that I’m the problem because I consciously or unconsciously haven’t been putting his feelings first

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OhBling · 05/01/2025 10:12

I know I’m not perfect, and the fact I’m not putting my husband’s wishes/feelings 100% first isn’t good on my part

This sentence is almost scarier than the one where you think because he hasn't put hands on you for a month, he's not going to. Particularly as instead of continuing to grovel he is making you responsible for his insecurity.

I prioritise my dh a lot but it wouldn't occur to me to say I need to.100% put his feelings first.

We are not judging you but please come.back to MN when things continue to get worse.

Rosegarden47 · 05/01/2025 09:54

Thanks so much to everyone who has replied, positive and negative.

I know I’m not perfect, and the fact I’m not putting my husband’s wishes/feelings 100% first isn’t good on my part.

For those concerned about my safety, if my husband lays hands on me or threatens to again that will most likely be the end point for me. It’s been over a month since it last happened and we’ve both been making a real effort to step up, so I am hopeful (though I know some people on here aren’t convinced) that things have changed for the better

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NoCarbsForMe · 04/01/2025 23:14

Your husband sounds like a prick. Sorry op.

Puddingcloths · 04/01/2025 22:52

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 22:14

Thank you for taking the time to reply, it’s interesting to hear a male perspective. I think you might be right. I think also his jealousy is heightened now when it was never an issue before because he knows how much he’s pushed me away with his anger recently

Edited

You’re welcome. Good luck. It must be frustrating that he feels insecure about his relationship with you, either in relation to his angry bad behaviour or your friend - given how committed you sound in spite of both of those things. I hope it improves and he learns to trust you more. Either way take care of yourself.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 04/01/2025 22:31

You say you are 'not allowed' to see Ashley alone and your husband may 'demand' to go through your phone. You are an adult and an equal partner in your marriage so this way of framing things is not OK. DH may ask you not to see Ashley, and you continuing to see him may things hard in your marriage, perhaps irretrievably so, but it's your decision, not your husband's.

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 22:14

Puddingcloths · 04/01/2025 22:05

My hunch is that:

  1. your DH knows the friendship is platonic
  2. the real reason your DH hates the friendship is because he guesses you confide in your friend about the awful behaviour to you. He doesn’t want to face that he is an abusive partner. Someone else knowing makes it real.

I virtually never post (I’m male) but had to say something as I’ve experienced both sides, seeing my marriage slip away in excruciating style when a “friend” entered the picture, and also having very close but 100% platonic female friends who unload some pretty horrifying things about their relationships. I only ever listen as it’s not my place to undermine someone else’s relationship. Except that I would draw the line at violence, and tell someone to leave at that point.

Thank you for taking the time to reply, it’s interesting to hear a male perspective. I think you might be right. I think also his jealousy is heightened now when it was never an issue before because he knows how much he’s pushed me away with his anger recently

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Puddingcloths · 04/01/2025 22:05

My hunch is that:

  1. your DH knows the friendship is platonic
  2. the real reason your DH hates the friendship is because he guesses you confide in your friend about the awful behaviour to you. He doesn’t want to face that he is an abusive partner. Someone else knowing makes it real.

I virtually never post (I’m male) but had to say something as I’ve experienced both sides, seeing my marriage slip away in excruciating style when a “friend” entered the picture, and also having very close but 100% platonic female friends who unload some pretty horrifying things about their relationships. I only ever listen as it’s not my place to undermine someone else’s relationship. Except that I would draw the line at violence, and tell someone to leave at that point.

Roryno · 04/01/2025 21:53

Ir shouldn’t be an issue to have a friendship with someone that you had a tiny fling with years ago. I am friends with one of my exes and my husband knows it really is just a friendship. And your husband DOES sound incredibly iffy with a lot of red flags. It doesn’t sound like you actually see each other much usually.

But - if both your husband and his wife are uncomfortable with this friendship, personally I’d be going out as a foursome more often, bringing them into the equation more. My husband has ended up better friends with my ex nowadays than I am.

ForZanyAquaViewer · 04/01/2025 21:34

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 21:19

I love my husband but he has done some horrible things. He seems to have been stepping up recently, and I’m hoping things are going to change for the better

He’s physically frightened you (no details provided, but I’m sure we can imagine), wouldn’t drive you to hospital for a medical emergency, had misogynistic views of male/female friendships (despite having female friends himself) and clearly has no respect for you. And that’s just based on the stuff you’ve told us. I’m sure there’s more.

However, as he hasn’t physically aggressed you in a few months, you think all shall be well? OP, for goodness sake. Open your eyes.

Do you know how many times my husband has done ‘horrible things’ to me? None. And (while he’s pretty great) that’s not because he’s some extra special superhuman. That’s the standard. Your husband’s conduct is inexcusable.

SensibleSigma · 04/01/2025 21:23

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 21:19

I love my husband but he has done some horrible things. He seems to have been stepping up recently, and I’m hoping things are going to change for the better

More likely he’ll continue to cycle between being obnoxious and being just nice enough to keep you hanging on.
Especially if FiL isn’t a nice man

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 21:19

ForZanyAquaViewer · 04/01/2025 21:15

Why are you with someone that treats you like this? Is this what you think love looks like?

Again, the Ashley thing is a red herring. You are married to a horrible man.

I love my husband but he has done some horrible things. He seems to have been stepping up recently, and I’m hoping things are going to change for the better

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ForZanyAquaViewer · 04/01/2025 21:15

Rosegarden47 · 04/01/2025 20:04

Honestly I’d be proud of my husband if he drive four hours to help out anyone. When I needed to go to hospital because my appendix was about to burst he got his dad to take me in because he didn’t want to be sitting around a hospital all night 😅

Why are you with someone that treats you like this? Is this what you think love looks like?

Again, the Ashley thing is a red herring. You are married to a horrible man.