To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

No, there aren't gang controlled areas in the UK - it's a far right online conspiracy theory.

You are wrong. Speak to any local police officer in such areas and they’ll tell you, if you can find one prepared to speak honestly. I remember, when my children were small, asserting to a police officer who policed my street that our area was pretty laid back and crime free and he told me to consider the idea that I, as an older, white woman, was experiencing the area very differently from a teenager - any race. He was absolutely right, as became apparent when my teenager was repeatedly approached for County Lines purposes to the point where he refused to go out after dark unless accompanied by a family member. Only the unaffected - ie non working class usually, confidently assert that there are no gang controlled areas and that to say there is is Far Right. Ridiculous!

What a load of tosh. I read the Jay report (focused on Rotherham) in 2014 after it had been published. It was not hidden away, the information was there for anyone who wanted to engage with it.

In what way?

I'm sure that would go down well.

This is rubbish. Logically and empirically

Have you ever discussed these concerns with a Muslim person?

Yes, @ezlo, I do.

I disagree. You obviously haven't lived in the areas referred to in the grooming scandals.

Rape gangs, not "grooming gangs" OP. "Grooming" as the word to describe what these girls went/are going through, is purposefully anodyne. They are rape and torture gangs.

Sure. I remember those attitudes. But the families of grooming gang members are in court, harassing and heckling the victims. It is nowhere near comparable.

I’m not trying to diminish what happened, but the info is all out there. But if Elon Musk says it isn’t …

Yes, it's been out there for years, but what with his constant retweeting over the last few days....Elon Musk is the worst thing to happen to X. His bizarre obsession with the UK knows no bounds. I still say he has some underlying resentment that he's not British ....

Many of these women will end up being the “reasonable face” of a family that is abusive. In fact they are complicit. By the time or if ever their men end up in court (a rare occurrence for child abuse) you can bet that they will support these beasts. They have already done years of mental gymnastics to keep him so it’s not the stretch some might think.

Because they think with their dicks every other minute.

You see it on the Relationships board as well, depressingly often. Posts about how to keep their man happy and stop him threatening to leave whilst he screams and abuses their children. Quite clearly the posters do not even think they have done anything wrong and deny the effect it is having on their children. CBC. Cock Before Child.

Been there as a juror on a case of historic child abuse. Too many women put their relationships with terrible men above what is happening to their children.

Well done. It's terrible how much damage a fantasist can do to an innocent person's reputation (and to their family).

I have reported this post, because it contains false information.

Leon Brittan was not a "well-known" child abuser, neither was he a member of a paedophile ring.

Allegations were made against him during his lifetime by a (now convicted) liar. He was cleared of all charges after his death.

I was sexually assaulted as a child. I am white. I was assaulted by a middle aged white man. This was witnessed by my grandmother. She told me never to tell anyone and that he had done it because I looked old for my age and if anyone found out they'd think I was a slut.
Irish Catholic family if that matters..
But I can quite see women depending abusers. Happens all the time.
In all cultures and religions.

I read the Serious Case Review on the Oxford case probably a decade ago. So to say it wasn’t reported is egregious.

Just because it’s being talked on X right now - probably by people who were too young, weren’t following the news etc - doesn’t mean that people weren’t discussing it back then. I remember a thread on Digital Spy that I posted on where it was discussed extensively.

People are acting like this happened before social media and that there was some type of media blackout but that’s the type of conspiracy shit that get the far right frothing. There are sentencing remarks, SCRs, news articles about these cases that were and are readily available on the internet.

I’m not trying to diminish what happened, but the info is all out there. But if Elon Musk says it isn’t …

No one is saying that some men are not scum. But saying no women cause harm or commit crime is just disingenuous.

I don't really think so.

For one thing, I think most people realize even older teen girls in situations like this have limited choices, and limited guidance making good choices, through no fault of their own.

But the reason people pictured these scenarios as middle and older teen girls who were being uncooperative with those trying to guide them, and were therefore exploited by bad men, is because that's what the media stories said.

Who shamed you into silence?
Awful and I'm sorry it happened to you.

I know care girls was seen as dirty,cheep,disposable.
And in some respects maybe it and is still is girls/woman being less and men having power.

Even me when I met my now husband some of his family looked down at me as trash.

Prosecutions grooming gangs west yorkshire ? Or any combination of those words

I was middle class. White. Church family.
No outcry. Groomed. Tortured. Abused.
Shamed into silence. Different issues to those in care perhaps but still swept under the rug.