To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

I attach a report from the Telegraph recording his words in Parliament. He's suggesting that calling for an enquiry is jumping on the bandwagon of the far right. It doesn't matter who is doing the jumping. Its the fact that he defines calling for an enquiry as a far-right bandwagon.

I know it's shameful and his supporters will want to say he didn't really mean it but he said it. He's too quick to throw around the term "far right" that Keir Starmer. Its clearly become a little to easy for him to accuse people of it and he needs to stop. It's revealing to much of what he clearly thinks of people.

He may well backtrack now and try and rephrase that. It seems sensible given the reaction of most right thinking people. Not far right just to clarify. Just right.

This is just like the gender issue, the gentry left just assume anyone who disagrees with them is a mindless gullible bigot. What are the chances that a load of mostly leftish, mostly educated, mostly mothers have suddenly decided to throw their lot in with the far right? Isn’t it a bit more likely that rather than us all suddenly deciding to be ignorant racists, we might just have a point. No, it can’t be that, we must all just be stupid credulous gammon doing what Elon Musk tells us.

it really shows you the contempt they have for others, and their inability to see nuance, that they truly believe that people who don’t think what they think are stupid.

Was that actually what he said?

He was going for Badenoch and her acolytes who, after doing nothing while in government, seem to think political gain from jumping on Musk's bandwagon is more important than supporting our own government.

Her approach and even more so that of Jenrick beggar belief.

... yeah apart from he never actually said that did he, as well you know.

He was referring to the attacks made by Musk which then Badenoch Philp etc jump on...... he specifically said he wanted to engage with people who wanted another inquiry, explaining why he thinks there shouldn't be one.

What i have seen in these various threads though is the truth doesn't matter at all, its about attacking certain politicians, regardless of the facts.... Philp did it again today in the commons.

You re doing it now...

I liked Yvette Cooper's speech but I am wondering if Kier just isn't either a bit tunnel vision or brainwashed?

@Iwanttoliveonamountain

The closest friend I had was a work colleague and I didn't know she was Muslim until quite a few months down the line.

She had to run away and hide from her family because she fell in love with a white boy. She said it wasn't even her parents who were so outraged it was her uncle a hard line Islamist

I have had other acquainted at school sweet girls but they were not allowed to socialise out of school with us.

Overall I wouldn't dare to question or ask anyone who follows islam about it because it's scary!

I'm fearful to do so

He's perpetuating the main problem! Police and the authorities too scared to arrest or prosecute people in case they were accused of being far-right or racist. What is wrong with Keir Starmer??

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

We’re jumping on ‘far right’ bandwagons, are we?

For caring about mass, organised, rape and torture of children.

He really hasn’t thought this through, has he?

If the PM is willing to smear any ordinary voter who has the temerity to care that poor white girls are raped and tortured as ‘far right’ and willing to position Labour and his PMship as being above all that, what does that say about him and his party?

I'm a big labour voting leftie and strongly believe in opening a national enquiry. I hate the far right and I'm not jumping into any wagon. Nice try at gaslighting us on his part.

Keir Starmer has said that those vast numbers of us calling for a national enquiry into the rape and torture of children "are jumping on the bandwagon of the far right"

He needs to resign.

YANBU. I listened to a podcast on YouTube earlier today (Triggernometry). They interviewed a survivor of the Rotherham grooming gangs, Dr Ella Hill, and am absolutely horrified and disgusted at what I have heard. Things like the perpetrators making their victims lick the soles of their feet clean before they are raped as an act of degradation. I naively thought this just happened in Rotherham until this has been reported in the news again, and didn’t realise how wide spread it has become. In the interview, Dr Ella comes across as intelligent and gentle person and you can hear the emotion in her voice as she speaks about the ordeal she went through. She had to move away and change her name to escape it. I have a young daughter and the thought of anything like this happening to her fills me with horror.

These crimes are horrendous, but also the incompetence/cover-up/secrecy that followed. We need to know:

• How wide spread was this?
• Is this still happening?
• How could is happen without being being reported?
• Who failed to act or covered this up?
• And, I am afraid, what is the background of the perpetrators? If this isn't provided that there are many who will draw their own conclusions.

Maggie Oliver (the ex detective in charge of the case who resigned from the police) gives quite an insight in the case on this recent podcast). Apparently it was swept under the rug because of lack of money/police resources and the girls being poor they "did not matter". Seems like sadly the misoginy those British pakistani men are being accused of is apparently quite alive n kicking within the midlands police, there was certainly an element of political correctness due to the mens etnicity but it was mostly those two factors (or that's what I gather from her interview). I wonder what would have happened if these were boys being groomed by men...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=46rigtezr6U

Apologies
@Iwanttoliveonamountain Region outside the UK

Er, yes there are? Do you live in a gated community 😆 ever leave your house? Just because it's not your lived experience doesn't make it false and shutting down debate with the lovely cry of far right as more details finally get into MSM makes you look a bit silly

there was extensive news coverage of it at the time! Vulnerable girls who were groomed and tortured by grooming gangs and no one believed them! Is it that it happened some time ago 2013 so people who didn't read the news at the time because they were too young only learning about it now.

I would use region in the UK. And we have regional accents after all! Are you based in the UK?

She was referring to a friend who talked about ‘her region’ that’s not a phrase that I would associate with England. I associated it with another country

Who are you replying to? If its the OP in the post before yours, she's talking about extremism here in the UK. Of which there is as we know a fair bit unfortunately.

Oh, so you’re talking about extremism in other countries, not our own that wasn’t clear thanks

Well luckily I was able to quite easily find the Jay report online in 2014 and read it in full then so none of that obfuscation was necessary

:In “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” Arthur Dent’s house is scheduled for demolition to make way for a bypass. When Arthur confronts Mr. Prosser, the local council official, about the plans, Mr. Prosser claims that the plans have been available at the local planning office for nine months. However, Arthur reveals that the plans were hidden in a locked filing cabinet in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying “Beware of the Leopard.” This scenario illustrates how bureaucracy and obfuscation are used to keep important information from the public, making it difficult for individuals to challenge decisions that affect them."