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To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

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OneAmberFinch · 04/01/2025 13:36

There are several other threads about Elon Musk, Labour, Jess Phillips, etc.

I don't want to discuss them in this thread. The other threads keep getting derailed and I just want a place to discuss how absolutely horrifying the new details that emerged this week are.

I knew that there were "grooming gangs" who would entice girls in care or from broken homes to be their "boyfriends" by giving them cigarettes and vapes, for example.

I didn't know that girls as young as 11 were being brutally tortured and raped, that people had been killed over it, including one policeman who arranged for some of the rapists to get off, houses burnt down. I didn't know the details of the violent gang rapes which I won't repeat here but you can find on X.

I'm just genuinely shocked and horrified.

Some of the court transcripts circulating are from 2013. How did I not know?

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Adamante · 04/01/2025 14:39

@FOJN Yes! Thank you.

30percent · 04/01/2025 14:39

Summerhillsquare · 04/01/2025 13:58

No, there aren't gang controlled areas in the UK - it's a far right online conspiracy theory. There are poor under resourced areas with crime, crap or underfunded police forces, and aggressive and nasty men all over the country however.

It WAS published, there WAS an enquiry, there WAS a government that did fuck all actual governing however.

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God these comments piss me off. Congratulations you're lucky enough to live somewhere nice where that isn't a problem. So you don't have a clue what you're talking about

These rape gangs were covered up for decades because of idiots who called it a far right conspiracy theory didn't want to be racist etc.

321user123 · 04/01/2025 14:38

AuContraire · 04/01/2025 14:13

And more than 90% of the time when women do it, it because a man wants them to.

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Where are you getting this information from?
All of the cases of abuse where women are the perpetrator that I know of, have no male interference.
Think teachers, babysitters, aunts, nurses, “lovely”neighbourhood ladies, etc… no man in sight.

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 14:37

penelopelondon · 04/01/2025 14:35

They're all 'brown and mixed race" men, aka; foreigners, because we all know" that British and caucasian men never engage in child abuse.(insert massive sarcastic tone in this space).

The relevant point is that, because the abusers were Asian Muslims and most of the victims were white working class, the police and authorities chose to turn a blind for "community relations". If the perpetrators were white the kid gloves would not have been needed.

AncientAndModern1 · 04/01/2025 14:37

JRSKSSBH · 04/01/2025 14:29

It has been covered selectively. Broadsheets would run multi page coverage post-sentencing but otherwise it has been deliberately obscured. Mainstream media is cowed by the threat of more press regulation post Levinson and so wont want to stir things up. The authorities have allowed it to go on, largely because they are complicit through police, social workers, council officials, etc failure to stop it. The desire to protect the multi-culturalism is also at play.

There is clearly an ethnic angle and I also honestly think our liberal elites think it is fine if certain communities are allowed to get away with rape etc, as long as their community leaders steer the block vote towards them at election time. The children in question also belong to a class for whom police have contempt. Lots of victim blaming.

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This ‘repression’ and ‘cover up’ narrative is rubbish. The Oxford case was EXTENSIVELY covered and in detail. People don’t read newspapers and news websites then complain they haven’t read this information. Here is a detailed BBC report from the time with many details that posters claim haven’t ever been published. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21445538

Girls with faces blurred - from reconstruction VT

Oxford rape and trafficking: Who were the victims?

Who were the six girls who bravely took the stand at the Old Bailey to testify against their abusers?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21445538

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/01/2025 14:36

They're all 'brown and mixed race" men, aka; foreigners, because we all know" that British and caucasian men never engage in child abuse.(insert massive sarcastic tone in this space).

Realistically though, different societies have vastly different attitudes to women and girls. Pretending that this isn't the case helps nobody, and is actually at the point where it's inflaming tensions.

I mean it wasn't German men indulding in mass sexual assault in Cologne at New Year nine years ago, was it?

FOJN · 04/01/2025 14:36

Adamante · 04/01/2025 14:28

Of course it was being reported, no one would have known about it at all otherwise, but very carefully and certainly no indications of the massive scale on which it was taking place. I know this because I have been following and despairing for a decade. In an interview with Charlie Peters he speaks of a court case where multiple Pakistani men were being convicted and sentenced, a huge case, but not one mainstream journalist there at the court to follow it, just him. I think it ended up being reported in a local paper & only then did the BBC follow it up. I'm afraid I can't remember the interview, think was a podcast,

Was it Winston Marshall? I saw him make the same remarks.

Birdscratch · 04/01/2025 14:35

JRSKSSBH · 04/01/2025 14:30

This. God forbid that people know certain groups have been allowed to prey on our children.

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See what’s happening? It was very, very clear at the trials exactly who the men were. It was reported at the time.

penelopelondon · 04/01/2025 14:35

They're all 'brown and mixed race" men, aka; foreigners, because we all know" that British and caucasian men never engage in child abuse.(insert massive sarcastic tone in this space).

motheroflittledragon · 04/01/2025 14:35

321user123 · 04/01/2025 14:33

And that doesn’t matter.
The poster said it’s “always” men, which simply isn’t true.
Also abuse on men is even so more downplayed than abuse on women and even fewer men come forward so even the stats we have of women abusers are severely underrepresented.

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This is specifically talking about abuse on children not abuse from women onto men which is a entirely different topic

katseyes7 · 04/01/2025 14:35

I worked for a Northern police force until twelve years ago, 28 years service in total.
This was happening there a long time ago. I can guarantee it, l handled a lot of the case files.
Thank goodness Maggie Oliver had the guts to say what was going on. She wasn't in my force area, but it certainly wasn't confined to one area.

Newyearpug · 04/01/2025 14:35

Calling them grooming Gangs downplays it
They are mass child rape gangs

Nordione1 · 04/01/2025 14:34

ilovesooty · 04/01/2025 14:32

And it's taken a change of government for people to start getting concerned about the implementation of the report. Funny that. 🙄

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And the fact that the person in charge of the prosecution (or failure to prosecute) is now our Glorious Prime Minister.

321user123 · 04/01/2025 14:33

motheroflittledragon · 04/01/2025 14:12

The number of men heavily outweighs the number of women

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And that doesn’t matter.
The poster said it’s “always” men, which simply isn’t true.
Also abuse on men is even so more downplayed than abuse on women and even fewer men come forward so even the stats we have of women abusers are severely underrepresented.

Doodar · 04/01/2025 14:32

Its still going on, still nothing being done.A 17 year old girl, passed around by the gangs in Rotherham, repeatedly sold and raped for 5 years. police don't want to know.
The only help she's had is from a women aid, they relocated and housed her.
She was trafficked to Pakistan too.
From a normal family, has autism.

ilovesooty · 04/01/2025 14:32

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/01/2025 14:13

there has been many Investigations into such events. The problem is that the recommendations have not been implemented.

And it's taken a change of government for people to start getting concerned about the implementation of the report. Funny that. 🙄

caringcarer · 04/01/2025 14:32

It's because the details were hushed up because the men abusing the girls were brown and the powers that be knew there would be an outcry from the public. If the men had been white it would have been dealt with more severely.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/01/2025 14:32

What is the point of a public or local investigation? If none of the recommendations are followed? Listen to the latest spectator podcast on this subject

JRSKSSBH · 04/01/2025 14:31

Hunglikeapolevaulter · 04/01/2025 14:29

Yes - to try to find out more about the crimes and see if she would help them build a case!

She herself describes them as having interrogated her and tried to scare her into silence.
https://www.gbnews.com/news/grooming-survivor-says-police-interrogated-her-at-doorstep-to-scare-her-into-silence-after-gb-news-interview/336140

Yet more gaslighting of victims I guess?

Our police are a fucking disgrace. I have nothing but contempt for most.

BodyKeepingScore · 04/01/2025 14:31

@AncientAndModern1 The sentencing remarks are currently being widely circulated on social media so I wrongly assumed this was what PP was referring to.

I'm aware they've been in the public domain since they were published, they're getting a lot of publicity at present on other platforms however.

Birdscratch · 04/01/2025 14:31

I am not in any way shape or form minimising this behaviour and it is repugnant of you to even suggest that. I am in no way ‘keen for this not to be discussed.’ What I am is disgusted.

I’m disgusted at what happened to those girls, I was disgusted at the time it came to light and I’m utterly disgusted at the right wing for using the suffering of these girls, who were repeatedly let down by people who should have stepped in to protect them, to gain political points.

The truth matters. Facts matter. I have no problem with a public enquiry into what happened but I have a huge problem with people reframing history or using the abuse of these girls for political capital.

Bromptotoo · 04/01/2025 14:30

It was well reported at the time of the criminal trials.

Unless one was too young to read/understand at the time I'm surprised the detail of what was done to these girls is news to anyone

JRSKSSBH · 04/01/2025 14:30

Adamante · 04/01/2025 14:28

Of course it was being reported, no one would have known about it at all otherwise, but very carefully and certainly no indications of the massive scale on which it was taking place. I know this because I have been following and despairing for a decade. In an interview with Charlie Peters he speaks of a court case where multiple Pakistani men were being convicted and sentenced, a huge case, but not one mainstream journalist there at the court to follow it, just him. I think it ended up being reported in a local paper & only then did the BBC follow it up. I'm afraid I can't remember the interview, think was a podcast,

This. God forbid that people know certain groups have been allowed to prey on our children.

AncientAndModern1 · 04/01/2025 14:29

BodyKeepingScore · 04/01/2025 14:24

Here. www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf

Particularly disturbing to me is page 11. Although the whole thing made me weep for those young girls.

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That’s not a transcript, it’s the sentencing remarks which have always been the public domain. https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf

https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/JCO/Documents/Judgments/sentencing-remarks-r-v-dogar-others.pdf