To be horrified at how much worse the "grooming gangs" actually were than I thought

I saw a ( harrowing) video about migrants crossing to Europe- some from Afghanistan- and they were mentioning the “Lightly dressed” European women saying it wouldn’t be allowed (in. NWFP and similar regions).
It’s a cultural thing.

There was a pregnant woman on the boat who was not given ANY respect at all.

Imagine being an Afghan woman now under Taliban regime. Awful.

I don’t know why people blame ‘the media’

these cases were reported widely at the time. There was a lack of an outcry because people didn’t really care about these young girls because they were seen as scum. They were written off.

I remember seeing a Question time around the time and was horrified that the focus among the audience and panellists was what had gone wrong with young girls that they would give blow jobs for a bag of crisps!

none of the panellists seemed to think it was wrong to blame the girls for going off the rails. One of them was a Daily Mail columnist ( ok, so the media). But as much as it’s a horrible rag, it really knows it audience. They wouldn’t spout such bile if it wasn’t lapped up by the British public.

there was much discussion around the time of the Soham murders too because Ian Huntley had a long history of 13/14 year old girlfriends. At the time, it was admitted that chances to stop a paedo were missed because it was considered normal and these children were ‘slags’

Every time someone says something like this, it makes it harder for people to disclose their abuse at the hands of a woman. It's like you want us to choose between feminism and what happened to us. 😅 I won't choose. I am a feminist. Men are vastly more dangerous than women. My mother, all alone and without male encouragement, did things to me that I was 39 before I was able to talk about with a therapist.

Please can you provide some evidence to back up this assertion?
There are reputable studies showing that most child sexual exploitation is committed by white ( and non-Muslim) people (the majority of whom are men)
eg https://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/2020/dec/analysis-new-home-office-report-admits-grooming-gangs-are-not-muslim-problem#:~:text=For%20many%20in%20Britain%20today,offenders%20are%20most%20commonly%20White%E2%80%9D

There are plenty of things you could blame for this situation:
including patriarchy, men's attitudes towards women, child poverty, the hollowing out of social care budgets, the instututional sexism of the police etc.

@@thatcastlethere
I attached a link earliet to the testimony of a victim who explains the link between Islam and why the victims were targeted. It is harrowing and a difficult watch, I get it. But it might clear things up for you.

Here it is again.

Quite. None of this was in the reports I read in the media previously. It appears to have just been publicised.

Could you help be by telling me which paper(s)?

…and nobody has a problem discussing this and criticising it. It’s been widely discussed both within and outside the church.

The same needs to happen in the british pakistani communities in which these men operate, surely? Sunlight and air, transparency and justice, rooting out these scumbags from within their own communities/families/places of worship.

Google it. There are many prosecutions for offences committed in the early 2000s around West Yorkshire. Often the trials were much later.

Yes there are rules on how sexual offending is reported. Some of this is to prevent people being identified and some is to stop really perverted people getting off on the details. It can also mean that ongoing investigations or other cases aren’t prejudiced.

I would have had these men imprisoned and if dual nationals, stripped of their British citizenship. We do this for terrorists, Why not these offenders?

Read today's papers to find out why.

We are talking about because several people have had the audacity to try and link paedophilia to Islam. As though there's some special link. As though you can't find men using their religion to abuse children within any religion.

I would be very, very keen on some kind of Romeo and Juliet law in the U.K.

At the moment, though the age of consent is 16, the police and CPS aren’t interested in taking any action against the older partner of an under 16 if the under 16 says the sex was consensual. Romeo and Juliet laws basically say that action will be taken if the age gap is too big, regardless of consent.

No one is interested in teenagers being criminalised for having sex with other teenagers but the way the law is enforced at the moment, no action will be taken against a 25 year old having sex with a 15 year old. I think 21 would be a reasonable limit. It would automatically shift the way the police and CPS would look at situations where it’s reported that a child under 16 is involved with an adult. It would mean that action could be taken against the adult without cooperation from the child.

i always think mumsnet is more right of centre. With associated biases

Oxford?

Can you explain then why 80% of the men involved in these gangs just happened to be muslim?

I would say, in fairness, that they are from a country that borders on Afghanistan, so there are cultural elements at play that woudn't be the case with say for instance a Bosnian Muslim community.

We are talking about poor white working class little girls raped by Asian Muslim grooming gangs at the moment. I'm not sure whether we need to discuss on this thread all the other cases of paedophilia. That rather detracts from the victims we are currently discussing.

Absolutely - full transparency and a robust response to the minority of men of this specific demographic who are actually at the root of the problem would prevent far right misinformation and reduce general anti-muslim/anti-‘brown person’ sentiment. The anger and blame would be directed squarely at the perpetrators.

This is very similar to what the foster family I knew said.
Police just didn’t want to know.

The foster family used to take “ Hard to place” teens mainly, but girls who had been targeted like this were a nightmare to keep safe as they were so damaged before arriving at the foster home.
Goodness knows what the answer is.

( Not Rotherham, but a major city)

These particular gangs. Because that area has a high Muslim population. Look at the statistics for child sexual abuse across the UK as a whole. There's no bias towards Muslim men.
There's a bias towards men in general.
But if you were to experience sexual abuse in the UK it's statistically more likely to be from a white man unless you are in a certain area that has less white men.
Which is bloody obvious isn't it?

What’s worrying is that there are 14% at the time of me posting this that think the OP is being unreasonable.

I had to stop reading some things I saw published as felt sick. Those poor vulnerable girls getting tortured. To think that people turned a blind eye is horrific whether they are family or people in positions of responsibility. There need to be a full enquiry into this, who the perpetrators are, what their background is. People need prosecuting for turning a blind eye.

@Anonym00se - you need to check your source re: Leon Brittan. You do know this was made up by Carl Beech? Who was jailed for wasting vast amounts of police time and public money.

The question I keep coming back to is how exactly did Starmer fail.

Our government and society is being trolled by the world's richest man who for his own reasons has a vendetta against the PM.

We, and the rest of Europe, need to understand Musk for what he is and deal with his sh1t appropriately.

And again, I am not disputing what you are saying. I am simply pointing out that in the 3 cases I am talking about none of the girls were in the care system at the start of the abuse and all 3 were from 'normal' and loving homes.
And please don't insult me by likening me to someone who brings up 'what about the men' when speaking about female victims of domestic abuse. As someone who suffered years of severe domestic abuse it's incredibly insulting and competently unnecessary. Thanks.

Thousands and thousands of children - usually boys - were abused - which included being brutally anally raped - by Catholic priests around the world and this wa actively covered up by the Church. It’s a huge, global scandal and I can’t believe people don’t know about it.